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On March 29 2019 23:18 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2019 21:30 Plansix wrote:On March 29 2019 20:38 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Poe's law and brexit. How to distinguish the parody and the real? You have to leave the EU and get enough distance all of this to get back to normal. That of course isn't going to happen. Many people seem to think that on May 22, the entire show is over, when in reality it actually just starts. And remainers will always blame brexiters for anything shitty that comes their way (rightfully so btw). This is like arguing that to get the US unified, you just need to get rid of Trump. As if the next democratic president wouldn't cause the same divide, just the other way around now that "the right" feels that all restraints are off.
I don't blame the brexit voting public for anything, although I think they're wrong. They were never asked how we are supposed to leave, or whether we even could, they were just asked whether they wanted to leave.
Its perfectly reasonable when asked that question to respond with the best answer you can think of or whatever you initially feel is right.
What's not ok is asking the question of the public while having no idea whether or not its even possible to leave without ruining everything.
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Politicians. I thought that'd be obvious.
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On March 29 2019 23:24 m4ini wrote:
Politicians. I thought that'd be obvious.
You'd think so but alot of the public are still arguing between themselves as if voters did something wrong by voting.
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It's always easier to blame politicians than the voters themselves.
Though in this case the politicians aren't exactly putting on a good performance.
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On March 29 2019 23:27 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2019 23:24 m4ini wrote:
Politicians. I thought that'd be obvious. You'd think so but alot of the public are still arguing between themselves as if voters did something wrong by voting.
I think they're morons for voting out, mainly because the vast majority listened to people like BJ, Farage and Mogg, rather than actually making an objective observation of the situation, but they're not technically responsible for the shitshow that the UK Politicians (and media, btw) made out of it. If that wasn't clear, my bad.
edit: Mogg and Johnson walked into the "Aye" lobby.
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Lets not go into that, because i do think that the EU is a bit "overprotective", lets put it this way. There's too much regulation, and often stupid regulation too.
I was suggesting media more in regards to Daily Mail, Sun etc marking people as "traitors, betrayers" and the such like.
edit: oof. Though.. Unpopular opinion maybe, but i'd actually rather have May who tries to some degree, than a twat like Johnson deal with this.
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So the withdrawal agreement has been defeated for the third time.
On Monday parliament will try to find a way forward. If nothing is agreed with the EU27 exit date is now the 12th of april with no deal.
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On March 29 2019 23:39 m4ini wrote:
Lets not go into that, because i do think that the EU is a bit "overprotective", lets put it this way. There's too much regulation, and often stupid regulation too.
I was suggesting media more in regards to Daily Mail, Sun etc marking people as "traitors, betrayers" and the such like.
This is not about criticism if that's what you took from it, that long ass list is all heavy misrepresentations and downright inventions of EU regulations. And it's not just tabloids, the BBC, the Telegraph and the Times have been doing that.
As for the real controversial EU laws, let's not forget who is voting for them. It's not "Brussels", it's our MEPs that we voted for. We'd all be much better off if the media in our countries would put our MEPs on blast for voting stupid laws instead of 'oh look what the faraway EU did this time'.
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No disagreement from me there.
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On March 29 2019 23:39 m4ini wrote:
Lets not go into that, because i do think that the EU is a bit "overprotective", lets put it this way. There's too much regulation, and often stupid regulation too.
I was suggesting media more in regards to Daily Mail, Sun etc marking people as "traitors, betrayers" and the such like.
edit: oof. Though.. Unpopular opinion maybe, but i'd actually rather have May who tries to some degree, than a twat like Johnson deal with this.
May is a waitress putting some ketchup on the shit sandwiches she’s serving us whereas Johnson is in the kitchen shitting in sandwiches and blaming May for the shit food.
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I didn't say that May was doing a good job, i'm saying she's more competent than Boris. And i understand that the bar for that is pretty low.
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On March 30 2019 01:05 m4ini wrote:
I didn't say that May was doing a good job, i'm saying she's more competent than Boris. And i understand that the bar for that is pretty low.
Sorry, I should have been clear that I was quoting to add to your post, not contradict it. We’re good brah.
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Didn't take it that way, bruv.
In other news, this is the level of bullshittery that's poisoning the entire process.
Nigel Dudds, DUP deputy leader.
In our recent discussions with the government good progress has been made on how domestic legislation would assist in ensuring the economic integrity of the UK as a whole and recognising Northern Ireland’s particular situation sharing a land border with the European Union.
We have encouraged the government to, as Dominic Raab has said, return to Brussels on these issues and not simply to accept the position of the European Union as being unalterable. The government must use the remaining time to deal with widely held concerns across the House of Commons.
I wonder how the UK would react if the EU declared that they'll not accept the UKs red lines. Like, i can't fathom the outrage of these fake wastebags sitting in Westminster, "how dare they" while trying to adjust an imaginary monocle.
"Yes, go back and renegotiate the compromise that the EU agreed to, and demand something else that they have to come up with."
That's why the rest of the EU is just tired of your shit. These blatantly idiotic suggestions while the clock is running down. And make no mistake, he's just reiterating what Raab has said. He didn't come up with that kinda bullshit.
But, yeah. Just for funsies. Imagine Junker saying: "I think we need to get back to the negotiating table and get rid of Tories red lines. They'll mean nothing, really. We don't accept them.".
edit:
A “no-deal” scenario on 12 April is now a likely scenario. The EU has been preparing for this since December 2017 and is now fully prepared for a “no-deal” scenario at midnight on 12 April. The EU will remain united. The benefits of the withdrawal agreement, including a transition period, will in no circumstances be replicated in a “no-deal” scenario. Sectoral mini-deals are not an option.
European commission statement. A pretty obvious "go suck a fat one" to all the "managed no-deal" Brexiters.
edit2: queue the usual delusionists calling it a bluff, as usual - even though there's no indication that the EU bluffed on anything yet.
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Well there are crazy fanatics in every country, the UK is not unique in this. The vast majority of MPs appears to be aware of what's required even if they are yet to agree on how to get there. I don't think it's fair to judge UK politicians from the drunk ramblings of Nigel Dodds.
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The vast majority of MPs dont appear to be aware of anything, nevermind on what's required. Required for what exactly?
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On March 30 2019 01:56 Longshank wrote:
Well there are crazy fanatics in every country, the UK is not unique in this. The vast majority of MPs appears to be aware of what's required even if they are yet to agree on how to get there. I don't think it's fair to judge UK politicians from the drunk ramblings of Nigel Dodds.
Oh. Okay. I must've missed that in the last two and a half years, and especially in the last few months, how the vast majority seems to be aware of "what's required", because every single time they had the option to make any difference, they didn't do it.
My bad i suppose.
And as a sidenote, while there are morons in any government, in the UK it's the majority. On top of that, to point out how far off the UK is, words like "traitor", "betrayal", "my grandparents didn't [..]" simply don't exist in the political world elsewhere (not sure about france, granted). And it's not just some offbeat fringe ultra using these words.
Lastly, i judge UK politicians by their actions. Not that it'd be any better or worse than judging them by the ramblings of Nigel Dudds.
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"Traitor", "betrayal", and "Your grandpa served in Wehrmacht" are commonly used in polish politics. Just saying. They are not that unique.
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On March 30 2019 02:10 Silvanel wrote:
"Traitor", "betrayal", and "Your grandpa was in Wehrmacht" are commonly used in polish politics. Just saying. They are not that unique.
Here's it's usually "my grandpa didn't fight for blergh".
Thanks for clarifying, let me rephrase. "Not used in governments that live in the present, opposed to those who still live in 1949".
Edit: or as Mogg did, pointing out that someone isn't "acting like you're from school X, more like school Y".
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Well, there was a remarkable drunk rambling speech by a Dutch politician. He may not have called the establishment treason, but he did liken them to a death cult. While also blathering about the owl of Minerva and yearning for the "boreal" culture of yore...
I wouldn't say this is a good time for political speech anywhere. We aren't going to get any "ask not what your country can do for you" any time soon.
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