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United Kingdom10003 Posts
On March 28 2019 17:19 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 08:02 BigFan wrote:
So as a bystander, someone tell me why someone would want a no deal Brexit? People betting on falling Pound, Companies who want to privatize everything, third countries to gain more influence. Peoples Brexit. lol.
This as well as removing worker's rights, health and safety legislation, food standards etc.
Also lets not foget about turning the UK into a tax haven, which has always been on the tory agenda.
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As an EU citizen, I feel like at this point we should just kick you out.
It's more and more about some UK intern politics and powershift than it is about Brexit deals. You can do that perfectly without us.
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I really really hope the EU sticks to the april 12th deadline and just says bye bye when the UK inevitably fails to come up with a plan. The UK needs a few decades in the corner and think about what they're doing.
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United Kingdom10003 Posts
On March 28 2019 18:35 Harris1st wrote:
As an EU citizen, I feel like at this point we should just kick you out.
It's more and more about some UK intern politics and powershift than it is about Brexit deals. You can do that perfectly without us.
Although this is true, it would be a terrible idea.
Start kicking people out and you embolden anti-eu folk from all over Europe. Particpating in their style of politics is not the way forward.
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On March 28 2019 18:41 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 18:35 Harris1st wrote:
As an EU citizen, I feel like at this point we should just kick you out.
It's more and more about some UK intern politics and powershift than it is about Brexit deals. You can do that perfectly without us. Although this is true, it would be a terrible idea. Start kicking people out and you embolden anti-eu folk from all over Europe. Particpating in their style of politics is not the way forward.
I disagree. Everybody knows by now that this is your mess, not the EU's
It has IMO nothing to do with anti-eu folk all over Europe. You wanted to go, but you can't find the exit. Well, here it is
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United Kingdom10003 Posts
On March 28 2019 18:48 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 18:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 28 2019 18:35 Harris1st wrote:
As an EU citizen, I feel like at this point we should just kick you out.
It's more and more about some UK intern politics and powershift than it is about Brexit deals. You can do that perfectly without us. Although this is true, it would be a terrible idea. Start kicking people out and you embolden anti-eu folk from all over Europe. Particpating in their style of politics is not the way forward. I disagree. Everybody knows by now that this is your mess, not the EU's It has IMO nothing to do with anti-eu folk all over Europe. You wanted to go, but you can't find the exit. Well, here it is
But you're ignoring my point not disagreeing with it.
Sometimes you have to be pragmatic - no matter whose fault a situation is - and look at what is best for everybody involved. This even applies when one party is being ridiculous and annoying in every possible way.
Not to do so, to simply blame that party and say fuck em no matter the cost, is exactly what led to Brexit in the first place.
As Tusk said yesterday, it is always beneficial for the EU to support groups in its member countries that are pro EU. To fail to do so is a huge political mistake.
I understand where you're coming from and I understand why you would want that - but the political reality is very different.
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Honestly, the problem is going to come to a head with the EU elections. Having UK citizens vote in an organization they'd rather not be in is asking for huge problems. How is the EU supposed to deal with a mass influx of UKIP parliamentaries whose only purpose it is now to sabotage everything until the UK finally leaves? It'd be extremely stupid to allow the UK to participate in the EU elections before Brexit is resolved, so they *have* to figure this out in 2 weeks.
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On March 28 2019 18:52 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 18:48 Harris1st wrote:On March 28 2019 18:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 28 2019 18:35 Harris1st wrote:
As an EU citizen, I feel like at this point we should just kick you out.
It's more and more about some UK intern politics and powershift than it is about Brexit deals. You can do that perfectly without us. Although this is true, it would be a terrible idea. Start kicking people out and you embolden anti-eu folk from all over Europe. Particpating in their style of politics is not the way forward. I disagree. Everybody knows by now that this is your mess, not the EU's It has IMO nothing to do with anti-eu folk all over Europe. You wanted to go, but you can't find the exit. Well, here it is But you're ignoring my point not disagreeing with it. Sometimes you have to be pragmatic - no matter whose fault a situation is - and look at what is best for everybody involved. This even applies when one party is being ridiculous and annoying in every possible way. Not to do so, to simply blame that party and say fuck em no matter the cost, is exactly what led to Brexit in the first place. As Tusk said yesterday, it is always beneficial for the EU to support groups in its member countries that are pro EU. To fail to do so is a huge political mistake. I understand where you're coming from and I understand why you would want that - but the political reality is very different.
Ah okay.
Yes absolutely. With "kicking out" I just meant not giving further extensions. Also thanks to you guys EU has huge upwind cause we are the good guys now and you are the silly child ^^
As the one above posted, you cannot be allowed to vote in EU elections. This would result in yolo votes with the mindset "we don't care, we leave anyway"
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On March 28 2019 19:20 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 18:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 28 2019 18:48 Harris1st wrote:On March 28 2019 18:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 28 2019 18:35 Harris1st wrote:
As an EU citizen, I feel like at this point we should just kick you out.
It's more and more about some UK intern politics and powershift than it is about Brexit deals. You can do that perfectly without us. Although this is true, it would be a terrible idea. Start kicking people out and you embolden anti-eu folk from all over Europe. Particpating in their style of politics is not the way forward. I disagree. Everybody knows by now that this is your mess, not the EU's It has IMO nothing to do with anti-eu folk all over Europe. You wanted to go, but you can't find the exit. Well, here it is But you're ignoring my point not disagreeing with it. Sometimes you have to be pragmatic - no matter whose fault a situation is - and look at what is best for everybody involved. This even applies when one party is being ridiculous and annoying in every possible way. Not to do so, to simply blame that party and say fuck em no matter the cost, is exactly what led to Brexit in the first place. As Tusk said yesterday, it is always beneficial for the EU to support groups in its member countries that are pro EU. To fail to do so is a huge political mistake. I understand where you're coming from and I understand why you would want that - but the political reality is very different. Ah okay. Yes absolutely. With "kicking out" I just meant not giving further extensions. Also thanks to you guys EU has huge upwind cause we are the good guys now and you are the silly child ^^ As the one above posted, you cannot be allowed to vote in EU elections. This would result in yolo votes with the mindset "we don't care, we leave anyway"
If the UK could vote this could easily lead to a giant pro EU faction from the UK. Because Brexiters won't see the reason to vote for the EU elections  .
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On March 28 2019 19:42 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 19:20 Harris1st wrote:On March 28 2019 18:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 28 2019 18:48 Harris1st wrote:On March 28 2019 18:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 28 2019 18:35 Harris1st wrote:
As an EU citizen, I feel like at this point we should just kick you out.
It's more and more about some UK intern politics and powershift than it is about Brexit deals. You can do that perfectly without us. Although this is true, it would be a terrible idea. Start kicking people out and you embolden anti-eu folk from all over Europe. Particpating in their style of politics is not the way forward. I disagree. Everybody knows by now that this is your mess, not the EU's It has IMO nothing to do with anti-eu folk all over Europe. You wanted to go, but you can't find the exit. Well, here it is But you're ignoring my point not disagreeing with it. Sometimes you have to be pragmatic - no matter whose fault a situation is - and look at what is best for everybody involved. This even applies when one party is being ridiculous and annoying in every possible way. Not to do so, to simply blame that party and say fuck em no matter the cost, is exactly what led to Brexit in the first place. As Tusk said yesterday, it is always beneficial for the EU to support groups in its member countries that are pro EU. To fail to do so is a huge political mistake. I understand where you're coming from and I understand why you would want that - but the political reality is very different. Ah okay. Yes absolutely. With "kicking out" I just meant not giving further extensions. Also thanks to you guys EU has huge upwind cause we are the good guys now and you are the silly child ^^ As the one above posted, you cannot be allowed to vote in EU elections. This would result in yolo votes with the mindset "we don't care, we leave anyway" If the UK could vote this could easily lead to a giant pro EU faction from the UK. Because Brexiters won't see the reason to vote for the EU elections .
This is what I've been thinking as well, although for different reasons. The UKIP/Eurosceptic side has always been strong but the vocal pro-EU side has probably never been stronger. It would be a polarizing election for sure but I'm not at all certain they would end up with more eurosceptic MEPs in Brussels..
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The result is not really relevant. At this point the UK has made it clear that they want to leave. It would be very delegitimizing for the EU parliament if there are UK people in it after the UK leaves, and a whole clusterfuck to kick them out afterwards once the UK actually leaves.
Also, the UK themselves have stated that they will not be able to hold EU elections in May because that involves a lot of time for planning and organisation.
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On March 28 2019 19:20 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 18:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 28 2019 18:48 Harris1st wrote:On March 28 2019 18:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 28 2019 18:35 Harris1st wrote:
As an EU citizen, I feel like at this point we should just kick you out.
It's more and more about some UK intern politics and powershift than it is about Brexit deals. You can do that perfectly without us. Although this is true, it would be a terrible idea. Start kicking people out and you embolden anti-eu folk from all over Europe. Particpating in their style of politics is not the way forward. I disagree. Everybody knows by now that this is your mess, not the EU's It has IMO nothing to do with anti-eu folk all over Europe. You wanted to go, but you can't find the exit. Well, here it is But you're ignoring my point not disagreeing with it. Sometimes you have to be pragmatic - no matter whose fault a situation is - and look at what is best for everybody involved. This even applies when one party is being ridiculous and annoying in every possible way. Not to do so, to simply blame that party and say fuck em no matter the cost, is exactly what led to Brexit in the first place. As Tusk said yesterday, it is always beneficial for the EU to support groups in its member countries that are pro EU. To fail to do so is a huge political mistake. I understand where you're coming from and I understand why you would want that - but the political reality is very different. Ah okay. Yes absolutely. With "kicking out" I just meant not giving further extensions. Also thanks to you guys EU has huge upwind cause we are the good guys now and you are the silly child ^^ As the one above posted, you cannot be allowed to vote in EU elections. This would result in yolo votes with the mindset "we don't care, we leave anyway"
Yeah, EU should just be consistent with what they were saying this far, no harsher language or action are necessary.
Short extension granted as a courtesy, if UK cant get her shit together in the meantime, well, either cancel article 50 or goodbye. You don't want to cancel article 50? well then....
I saw a video from a Game theorist POV that no deal brexit is gonna be the final result, and it was at least a month ago... it's looking more and more likely.
Also, refelcting on this most recent "parliament takes matters in its own hand" thingy.... i was 100% sure that this is gonna happen, yet it's still hilarious how MP's managed to NO vote every single alternative proposal, most of them by large margins.
Nobody seems to want to take responsibility for this mess. If a deal would go through, no matter which, it still would suck for the UK to some degree. And those who would have voted for it, would need to take responsibility for it, and it's rather hard to argue "well, yeah, you're suffering because of this, but i assure you, all the alternatives that didnt happen would have been worse"
My favorite reddit comment on the matter:
"The Brexit Quantum State: It can be everything everybody wishes, as long as it is not observed and always in the future."
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On March 28 2019 16:59 Pr0wler wrote:
What a perfect example of Entmoot. Five days after the extension and zero decisions are made. More than 1000 days after the referendum... The parliament is refusing the deal, the no deal outcome as well as every other alternative. If I was paying taxes in that country, I would have expected them to not leave that building, until a final decision is made.
That's a bit unfair; Entmoot came to a decision after 3 days.
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Tomorrow they are going to vote on May,s deal again and this time it will pass.
3 times a charm.
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United Kingdom10003 Posts
On March 28 2019 21:55 pmh wrote:
Tomorrow they are going to vote on May,s deal again and this time it will pass.
3 times a charm.
At the moment it will fail to pass unless something big changes.
the DUP are rejecting the deal with no further talks planned, and the whips from the ERG have said that their vote is tied to the DUP's vote.
Also, they are going to have to try and get around Brecow's ruling that the same motion cannot be brought to Parliament again. Apparently they are going to separate out the withdrawal agreement from the political decleration but that might not be enough for Bercow.
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I hope it does because then atleast this charade is over for 2 years. But can she get it through without the DUP?
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On March 28 2019 21:55 pmh wrote:
Tomorrow they are going to vote on May,s deal again and this time it will pass.
3 times a charm.
Source? Andrea Leadsom is in the Parliament right now saying the motion for tomorrow hasn't been finalized yet. What goes around is that they might bring just the WA to a vote, not the political declaration, and both need to be agreed on together for the UK to ratify the deal. It's unclear what the point would be or even if they are allowed to do it. A vote on the WA in a vacuum would probably pass since Labour's objection is with the PD.
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United Kingdom10003 Posts
My biggest worry is that our MPs are going to start suffering from fatigue from actually having to show up to work every day.
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It's interesting to read articles from 29 march 2017 now.
May saying this:
In a statement in the Commons, Mrs May said: "Today the government acts on the democratic will of the British people and it acts too on the clear and convincing position of this House."
Little did she know how unclear and unconvincing the house would be two years later.
I like the SNP's view from back then the most:
The party's foreign affairs spokesman, Alex Salmond, said: "After nine months of this prime minister's approach to Brexit Northern Ireland is deadlocked, the Welsh are alienated, Scotland is going for a referendum, the English are split down the middle, and Brexit MPs are walking out of Commons committees because they don't like home truths.
"Has the prime minister considered, in terms of invoking Article 50, that 'now is not the time'?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/world/europe/brexit-uk-eu-article-50.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39431428
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah they are not going to vote on that deal tomorrow. Tomorrow they are going to debate more options one of which will probably be mentioned as this option again to try and force a vote for it on Monday. Not sure what will happen in this debate tomorrow other than the Conservatives trying to get their deal back on the table with more votes. Guess might here its this or no deal mentioned a few times.
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