EPTAlso as mentioned before, Labour have MPs from majority leave cities/towns so they would lose their seat if voted against. Which again is the issue.
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Also as mentioned before, Labour have MPs from majority leave cities/towns so they would lose their seat if voted against. Which again is the issue. | ||
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On March 28 2019 07:40 Longshank wrote: Nothing was supposed to get a majority tonight. That was never the idea, that's why they voted earlier today to reserve Monday for stage 2 of the voting process. Movement will start to happen only when options are starting to get knocked of the table, which will be on Monday. Today was just to get an indication which options should make it into the next round. We'll have to wait for Letwin to announce just exactly how he'll proceed and with what options. People were free to vote for as many things as they like tonight I doubt removing any options (and we all know the speaker will remove the no deal options) is going to make any difference. Monday is a long time away, Parliament could easily be prorogued by then (there is growing talk of a general election) or May's deal could pass on Friday. | ||
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On March 28 2019 07:56 Dan HH wrote: Removing options is not going to make a difference, but talking is going to make a difference. You're acting as if it's impossible for J and M to get 20-40 MPs to change their mind yet MV3 could pass after losing by 180 last time. And your ideal no deal by 240 today. No deal doesn't need a vote >.< . | ||
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It needs support, don't be intentionally obtuse. No deal can't happen without parliament letting it happen. | ||
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On March 28 2019 07:52 Zaros wrote: People were free to vote for as many things as they like tonight I doubt removing any options (and we all know the speaker will remove the no deal options) is going to make any difference. Monday is a long time away, Parliament could easily be prorogued by then (there is growing talk of a general election) or May's deal could pass on Friday. Bercow will pick motions based on the numbers tonight. If no-deal doesn't make it, it's because it didn't get enough votes(and it didn't). Parliament could be prorogued at any time and if May's deal passes then there's obviously no need for indicative votes. These votes aren't used to get a preferred outcome, it's a process(!) towards breaking the deadlock. If there's no deadlock, they won't go ahead. Many here seem to have misunderstood today's events completely. | ||
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On March 28 2019 08:02 BigFan wrote: So as a bystander, someone tell me why someone would want a no deal Brexit? As the only way now to gain the ability to control our trade and large parts of our economic policy. All of the deals on offer tie us in some way to the EU customs union or single market regulations. On March 28 2019 08:05 Dan HH wrote: It needs support, don't be intentionally obtuse. No deal can't happen without parliament letting it happen. It can happen as long as Parliament refuses to revoke article 50, time will simply run out without anything being agreed and we will default into no deal. | ||
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On March 28 2019 08:05 Dan HH wrote: April 13th, or May 23e EU treaties stop applying to the UK whether the UK likes it or not and whether the UK courts consider it constitutional or not.It needs support, don't be intentionally obtuse. No deal can't happen without parliament letting it happen. Parliament has to agree to a deal (and the EU accept it) before that time or they need to revoke art 50. No-deal is what happens when parliament does nothing. It is the default state if nothing is agreed upon. | ||
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On March 28 2019 08:07 Zaros wrote: As the only way now to gain the ability to control our trade and large parts of our economic policy. All of the deals on offer tie us in some way to the EU customs union or single market regulations. The freedom to negotiate worse deals than being part of the EU would give you and lower the quality standards of products and services. Not to mention the fact if you intend to gain access to the EU's market in the future, you will still have to abide by the regulations. Just great. ;-) | ||
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May,s deal has to be accepted and since arguing didn't do the job they are now voting (non binding) on alternatives to make clear that mays deal isn't that bad in the end seeing the alternatives. | ||
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On March 28 2019 08:19 Gorsameth wrote: April 13th, or May 23e EU treaties stop applying to the UK whether the UK likes it or not and whether the UK courts consider it constitutional or not. Parliament has to agree to a deal (and the EU accept it) before that time or they need to revoke art 50. No-deal is what happens when parliament does nothing. It is the default state if nothing is agreed upon. And before that EU treaties were set to stop applying to the UK on March 29. The only time limit here is the patience of member states. The council is now running around trying to convince everyone to allow the UK to participate in the next EU elections if necessary. | ||
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On March 28 2019 08:52 Dan HH wrote: I don't think you'll find a majority in UK parliament for delaying Brexit by a year or more. which is what the EU would require to accept the UK staying and holding an EU election.And before that EU treaties were set to stop applying to the UK on March 29. The only time limit here is the patience of member states. The council is now running around trying to convince everyone to allow the UK to participate in the next EU elections if necessary. | ||
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On March 28 2019 10:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So Boris Johnson is aiming to become the next PM... He’s been trying for well over a decade. | ||
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On March 28 2019 08:02 BigFan wrote: So as a bystander, someone tell me why someone would want a no deal Brexit? People betting on falling Pound, Companies who want to privatize everything, third countries to gain more influence. Peoples Brexit. lol. | ||
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