EPTBut we shall see what happens tonight, if there is no major majority on one of the possible plans then i think they are forced to back May's deal. I don't know, without the DUP support the current stunt by May is not going to work out anyway.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
But we shall see what happens tonight, if there is no major majority on one of the possible plans then i think they are forced to back May's deal. I don't know, without the DUP support the current stunt by May is not going to work out anyway. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
On March 28 2019 04:01 Pandemona wrote: 15 million voted to leave though and 6 million signed to stay in so i mean...i get where he is coming from but you can't just jump on that bandwagon when the total population of the UK is 66 million. <10% backed an online petition which some people are questioning legitimacy of some signatures on it. But we shall see what happens tonight, if there is no major majority on one of the possible plans then i think they are forced to back May's deal. I don't know, without the DUP support the current stunt by May is not going to work out anyway. That numberwang is irrelevant, point is that if May's deal doesn't pass there will 100% be an extension and referendum. The EU isn't stupid enough to let no deal happen. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 28 2019 04:04 Dan HH wrote: That numberwang is irrelevant, point is that if May's deal doesn't pass there will 100% be an extension and referendum. The EU isn't stupid enough to let no deal happen. "The EU" doesn't make the decision, it only takes one of 27 to say no and there are a fair few leaders who might force the no deal. Macron was quite fiesty last summit and has said he would force No Deal but he might not stick to that. You then have Farage and co lobbying Italy, Hungary, Poland etc. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On March 28 2019 04:01 Pandemona wrote: I agree that the petition and demonstration numbers don't mean much in the grand scheme, but its important for the people to let their voice be heard.15 million voted to leave though and 6 million signed to stay in so i mean...i get where he is coming from but you can't just jump on that bandwagon when the total population of the UK is 66 million. <10% backed an online petition which some people are questioning legitimacy of some signatures on it. But we shall see what happens tonight, if there is no major majority on one of the possible plans then i think they are forced to back May's deal. I don't know, without the DUP support the current stunt by May is not going to work out anyway. | ||
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Dan HH
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Edit: Boris is now backing her deal, In my opinion this will ruin his chances of winning the leadership. What is the point of any of the brexiteers who spent months attacking the deal and mocking Gove for backing it if they all end up voting for it. Might as well vote for the guy who worked it out a year ago and is 10x more capable. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 28 2019 04:38 Pandemona wrote: I think Boris knows he will never get the job though which is why he is being like he is now. I mean Gove kept him away last time for a reason. I hope its Javid, i really like him and it would be a good step in politics if he got the job. Javid has the problem of voting remain and being shaky in a crisis. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On March 28 2019 04:11 Zaros wrote: I think its Brexiters fearing that it will be a soft exit or none at all, and Boris probably wasn't getting the leadership position anyway.Prediction: No option will get a majority Edit: Boris is now backing her deal, In my opinion this will ruin his chances of winning the leadership. What is the point of any of the brexiteers who spent months attacking the deal and mocking Gove for backing it if they all end up voting for it. Might as well vote for the guy who worked it out a year ago and is 10x more capable. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Looks like there is still a core of ERG saying no. | ||
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pmh
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
On March 28 2019 04:07 Zaros wrote: "The EU" doesn't make the decision, it only takes one of 27 to say no and there are a fair few leaders who might force the no deal. Macron was quite fiesty last summit and has said he would force No Deal but he might not stick to that. You then have Farage and co lobbying Italy, Hungary, Poland etc. Our government keeps coming up with ideas on how to help the UK get what it wants because there are one million Poles living in the UK whose rights need to be secured. I'm guessing the Hungarian and other eastern governments have similar concerns. | ||
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Longshank
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 28 2019 04:48 pmh wrote: Motion H looks promising,but I doubt the eu would accept that? EU doesn't have to accept that plan, I believe it is a No deal and apply for EFTA membership straight away. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
On March 28 2019 04:49 Sent. wrote: Our government keeps coming up with ideas on how to help the UK get what it wants because there are one million Poles living in the UK whose rights need to be secured. I'm guessing the Hungarian and other eastern governments have similar concerns. Every member has only to lose and nothing to gain from no deal, both financially and politically. Posturing aside, no deal is not an option. | ||
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pmh
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Motion H:Adjusted deal with the option to end the backstop themselves. I can see many people wanting to vote for that but I doubt its realistic. Results should be soon now. Also:everyone who did sign the recent petition against brexit got an email from the government saying brexit will not get cancelled? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 28 2019 04:53 Dan HH wrote: Every member has only to lose and nothing to gain from no deal, both financially and politically. Posturing aside, no deal is not an option. There is a strand of thought that the EU doesn't want to have to deal with UK in European elections sending an army of Nigel Farage's to Strasbourg. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
They accept or reject agreements as a whole and have no interest in the UK throwing its weight around. Leaving and then applying for EFTA would also carry a load of chaos from months of no-deal existing IF you get in quick. More likely would be a long extension until atleast the end of the year, EU elections in the UK and then try to work out a deal with the EFTA group. | ||
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Longshank
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On March 28 2019 04:58 Zaros wrote: There is a strand of thought that the EU doesn't want to have to deal with UK in European elections sending an army of Nigel Farage's to Strasbourg. Pushed by Nigel Farage himself to no support in the European Parliament today. Even when Corbyn is whipping for a second referendum he's actually cunningly plotting for no-deal. Jesus Christ... There is and always has been time for a second referendum, and no-deal will never happen. | ||
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