EPTNelson Mandela has died. -Updated - Page 2
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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MarklarMarklarr
Fiji226 Posts
On July 05 2013 11:55 LilClinkin wrote: He shouldn't have been placed on life support. Elderly people should be allowed to die peacefully and comfortably at a doctor's discretion rather than be placed on a life-support machine indefinitely until the family guiltily decides to switch it off. Well, he was ill, he's supposedly not in a vegetative state so who knows, he is supposed to be getting slightly better, but its just a matter of time i guess | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
People should be focusing more on honouring his legacy than praying to god that he'll live for five more years to extreme old age where he doesn't recognize anyone and seems to need regular hospital visits to stay alive. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On July 05 2013 12:08 Shiragaku wrote: Bleh...some people in my hometown are also celebrating the demise of the man who supposedly brought "White Genocide" to South Africa... At one point he was a terrorist of sorts. I'm sorry I'm using wikipedia for this  . There are a lot of people who think one of three things as far as I've learned about the situation.
This is what I've gotten. A lot of people view Mandela as they view MLK Jr. They could do no wrong. In reality, both leaders had serious down falls and society has cleaned up their image to the point they might as well be Kingdom Come, despite either doing some rather dispicable things, and/or failing miserably at important facets of their original promises to their people. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
On July 05 2013 05:42 Serejai wrote: I am pretty shocked this thread has so few views and replies. It's also kind of morbid that the man who gave South Africans their freedom is dying on the day we celebrate ours. Not really, there isn't much to say about the situation. The man is in his mid 90's and everyone dies. It's honestly surprising that he's lived as long as he has given everything he's been through and the fact that medicine in South Africa isn't exactly top notch. That being said, he's an amazing inspiration for how much of a difference one man can make and the entire world will miss him dearly. | ||
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Mansef
59 Posts
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
On July 05 2013 13:07 Mansef wrote: He was a Communist. Yeah, ending white rule in SA is a great thing, but he wasn't an "amazing man." You can't just ignore a huge part of him and his administration. Martin Luther King was an absolutely horrible person too, but we have a holiday for him. People latch onto the stuff that inspires them and gives them hope. Nothing wrong with that I suppose. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On July 05 2013 13:07 Mansef wrote: He was a Communist. Yeah, ending white rule in SA is a great thing, but he wasn't an "amazing man." You can't just ignore a huge part of him and his administration. I didn't realize we were still in the red scare.... I mean he might have done some bad things, but you need to list these things with supportive arguments like others have, in some peoples eyes being communist is actually a key part of being an amazing man(redistributing wealth and all that) | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
Hitler liked dogs, but he stood for the eradication of Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, and disabled-people. | ||
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double1185
Vietnam211 Posts
On July 05 2013 13:07 Mansef wrote: He was a Communist. Yeah, ending white rule in SA is a great thing, but he wasn't an "amazing man." You can't just ignore a huge part of him and his administration. I'm really curious about ur definition of an amazing man, since u seem clueless about how it hard to end a government system, especially that system belong to the ppl who own the economy and the army. | ||
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LilClinkin
Australia667 Posts
A fellow doctor from South Africa whom I work with says he has friends in the hospital in which Mr Mandella is being kept. They report the ICU in which he is located has been sectioned off from admitting any other patients, and no one is allowed to come and go to visit him besides a select few staff members. Any other patient in Mr Mandella's clinical state would have been declared unfit for life support and palliated 3 weeks ago, however Mr Mandella remains in a vegetative state on a mechanical ventilator. Speculation as to why he has continued to be ventilated revolves around a movement by South African authorities to clean up the city prior to the influx of international delegates who will pay their respects at his funeral. Concerted efforts have been made to move homeless people off the streets, remove excess litter and waste, to repaint buildings etc. so that the city looks respectable to international media. | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On July 05 2013 09:46 Caihead wrote: RIP He is still alive. People don't even read the thread names properly anymore... | ||
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Mansef
59 Posts
On July 05 2013 13:30 BlueBird. wrote: I didn't realize we were still in the red scare.... I mean he might have done some bad things, but you need to list these things with supportive arguments like others have, in some peoples eyes being communist is actually a key part of being an amazing man(redistributing wealth and all that) Just because we're no longer in the Red Scare doesn't mean communism is okay or we should be endlessly praising a communist. For all he did, he still supported a system that is responsible for more deaths than any other ideology in the 20th Century. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On July 06 2013 02:53 Mansef wrote: Just because we're no longer in the Red Scare doesn't mean communism is okay or we should be endlessly praising a communist. For all he did, he still supported a system that is responsible for more deaths than any other ideology in the 20th Century. That's ridiculous and short sighted. Communism is not responsible for deaths, the people who led those countries are. Mandela is not responsible for any deaths that happened under other regimes that were branded "communist". It's very disappointing to me that people are this short sighted. I'm not a communist by any stretch of the imagination and I think communism would lead to poverty, but to assume that communists are somehow bad people is a complete misunderstanding of the term which was tainted by bad regimes. The principles at the core of communism are, or at least can be very noble even though it may not necessarily work in practice. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On July 06 2013 02:53 Mansef wrote: Just because we're no longer in the Red Scare doesn't mean communism is okay or we should be endlessly praising a communist. For all he did, he still supported a system that is responsible for more deaths than any other ideology in the 20th Century. If only they had been motivated by something more pure, like greed. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 06 2013 02:56 Djzapz wrote: That's ridiculous and short sighted. Communism is not responsible for deaths, the people who led those countries are. Mandela is not responsible for any deaths that happened under other regimes that were branded "communist". It's very disappointing to me that people are this short sighted. I'm not a communist by any stretch of the imagination and I think communism would lead to poverty, but to assume that communists are somehow bad people is a complete misunderstanding of the term which was tainted by bad regimes. The principles at the core of communism are, or at least can be very noble even though it may not necessarily work in practice. Best just to ignore and report this guy. 51 posts, and apparently every single one involves him being and idiot and an asshole. It's actually depressing to look over... | ||
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lantz
United States762 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On July 06 2013 03:39 WolfintheSheep wrote: Best just to ignore and report this guy. 51 posts, and apparently every single one involves him being and idiot and an asshole. It's actually depressing to look over... Yeah probably. | ||
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
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