EPTRIP sir.
Nelson Mandela has died. -Updated - Page 10
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Nedereden
777 Posts
RIP sir. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 07 2013 09:41 Djzapz wrote: I hate facebook but once in a while, a little pebble of wisdom pops on it. Earlier, someone mocked those who do not know of Mandela and said that they "represent everything that is wrong with the world". A girl that I don't know smartly said that they don't REPRESENT everything that is wrong with the world, but rather they are a RESULT of everything that is wrong with the world. Maybe Mandela's compassion itself was realizing his enemies weren't representative of the scum of the earth, but resulting from conditions that might be changed. How can you not harbor a bitterness towards the individual after so many years of imprisonment? Cheers for that one girl. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 07 2013 09:04 Alpino wrote: Apartheid excusers should be banned + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2013 07:48 IronWolf wrote: I am not sure what you think this country is like today, but your view implies that things were better off for my country back then. If the ANC were as racist as the NP, then we would look like Zimbabwe. Nobody who suffered under apartheid ever wishes to go back to what things were like. The effect of having Mandela as our president has opened so many opportunities for me and my family. I could go to a better school. I could go to university and get a job that was reserved for a white person only. As for white people in SA not getting jobs...its hardly that bad for them. You probably hear more about that cos he tweeted it on his iPhone5. They will benefit from the spoils of apartheid for generations to come. There is an entire nation that needs to be given opportunities, education and basic human rights first. I will hire a black person over a white person of the same skill without a second thought.. Our economy isn't great, but there are only a few countries in the world right now that are doing ok. I will take a shit economy over apartheid any day. BTW: We have a nuclear program today...in the hands of the ANC. There are 3 nuclear power plants going up across the country. Rebuilding a country is not achieved over a couple of decades. It takes generations. Great comment, should keep the excusers at bay, TL blows in recognizing privilege, we do have a mostly white, not living in shitty country userbase Not really, his comment was just as ignorant as any pro apartheid comment (not that i've seen any of those). I don't care if he's South African, it's not the right attitude to improve the country as a whole. RIP btw, a truly great man. | ||
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
On December 07 2013 09:03 NeuroticPsychosis wrote: Many people do not know Nelson Mandela because they do not care about apartheid in South Africa and, by extension, prejudice and discrimination in any nation on the face of the planet. Ignorance is not bliss While you and your kind happily support atrocities equal or worse to the apartheid regime. Stop acting like you're not ignorant. On December 07 2013 19:16 AxionSteel wrote: Not really, his comment was just as ignorant as any pro apartheid comment (not that i've seen any of those). I don't care if he's South African, it's not the right attitude to improve the country as a whole. RIP btw, a truly great man. Exactly. | ||
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IronWolf
South Africa315 Posts
On December 07 2013 19:16 AxionSteel wrote: Not really, his comment was just as ignorant as any pro apartheid comment (not that i've seen any of those). I don't care if he's South African, it's not the right attitude to improve the country as a whole. RIP btw, a truly great man. An ignorant comment implies not knowing or understanding the context in which one makes a it. While it is not the best decision to have to make (re hiring a black person over a white person)...but giving those that have not had an opportunity for 30yrs over someone that has, is something you have to consider in this country. I wish it wasn't something I had to consider. If the guy can do the work, surely give him the opportunity. | ||
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perfidiusrex
Belgium78 Posts
On December 07 2013 20:17 IronWolf wrote: An ignorant comment implies not knowing or understanding the context in which one makes a it. While it is not the best decision to have to make (re hiring a black person over a white person)...but giving those that have not had an opportunity for 30yrs over someone that has, is something you have to consider in this country. I wish it wasn't something I had to consider. If the guy can do the work, surely give him the opportunity. " I will hire a black person over a white person of the same skill without a second thought.." I am still quite shocked that this user isnt banned yet.Ironwolf you are racist..You do not combat racism with racism because that leads to more racism.This is like me saying i will never hire a black guy because my ancestors were robbed by black people.black racism is one of the most underrated criminal phenomenon in the world today.you are a shame to mandela's memory who wanted reconciliation between races not racism.you are a black racist.the worst kind of black racist. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
Its not about 'apartheid is better', but rather who hijacked the dream of a better South Africa, why is dishonesty, deviousness, incompetence, corruption, unreliability, and callous indifference to human suffering overlooked just because its not apartheid? | ||
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perfidiusrex
Belgium78 Posts
On December 08 2013 01:26 zeo wrote: What I was trying to say was that the ordinary African is worse off now than under colonialism. Black rule alone is no guarantee for black freedom, maybe South Africans should ask their government why South Africa went from being a first world country with health, education and living standards the rest of Africa could only dream of to a country quickly falling back to the levels of sub-Saharan Africa. Its not about 'apartheid is better', but rather who hijacked the dream of a better South Africa, why is dishonesty, deviousness, incompetence, corruption, unreliability, and callous indifference to human suffering overlooked just because its not apartheid? i think you are feeding a bit into propaganda.aparthheid africa had it better for white people not for black.most of the country lived worse than it does now.that is like me saying serbia lived better under turkish rule than it does now while independent | ||
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
On December 08 2013 01:45 perfidiusrex wrote: i think you are feeding a bit into propaganda.aparthheid africa had it better for white people not for black.most of the country lived worse than it does now.that is like me saying serbia lived better under turkish rule than it does now while independent I meant statistics like the average life expectancy of a black person in SA in the last decade of Apartheid nearly equaled that of Europeans, that number fell to 53 years in 1998. Statistically poverty, unemployment, income inequality, life expectancy, land ownership, and educational achievement have worsened since the end of apartheid. Shouldn't someone be held responsible for this? Zuma, the president of SA once said that after having sex with a woman who he knew had HIV he took a shower to 'wash the AIDS off', this coming from a guy who headed the country's National Aids Council. And all this guy has to do is wave around the Mandela card and say, well at least its not apartheid and bam, presidency... | ||
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Netherlands836 Posts
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Russian Federation3632 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
http://rt.com/on-air/nelson-mandela-memorial-africa/ Edit: vuvuzelas at a funeral... | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
You have a stadium full of south africans who want to sing and dance and then you try to bore them to death with speeches. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
The sign interpreter at the memorial event was fake, and was gesticulating gibberish to the world. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/nelson-mandela-memorial-bogus-interpreter-made-mockery-of-barack-obamas-tribute-8997486.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nelson-mandela/10510473/Fake-interpreter-performs-nonsense-sign-language-throughout-Mandela-memorial.html | ||
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Hoender
South Africa382 Posts
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KwarK
United States44440 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Hoender
South Africa382 Posts
On December 12 2013 05:49 KwarK wrote: It's in poor taste but it takes some balls to blag an interpreter job thinking it's an easy paycheck, then get up on stage in front of the world media and actually do it convincingly for the entire event. Unfortunately, this is the state of our country. Many job post's are either left vacant for years (with a "temporary" stand-in employee taking the post) or unqualified individuals are appointed the job due to Black Economic Empowerment. Sad thing is, it doesn't seem like it's going to change any time soon here :/ | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
RIP Mandela. | ||
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