EPTAlthough he was 95 it still felt a bit strange he passed away. He has always been around.
Death although natural sometimes feel so weird. We just cease to exist one day to never come back.
Nelson Mandela has died. -Updated - Page 9
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
Although he was 95 it still felt a bit strange he passed away. He has always been around. Death although natural sometimes feel so weird. We just cease to exist one day to never come back. | ||
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Nigredo
South Africa22 Posts
It was a long walk to freedom. Rest well. Tata Madiba! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26360 Posts
Or failing that, google. Ignorance has become socially acceptable, if you have a functioning Internet connection at least use it for something other than posting inane queries about somebody as famous as Mandela. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On December 06 2013 19:26 Wombat_NI wrote: Djazpz. I don't expect people to care, or to know a LOT about Mandela, but how in the name of fuck can you at not have least have heard of him? Or failing that, google. Ignorance has become socially acceptable, if you have a functioning Internet connection at least use it for something other than posting inane queries about somebody as famous as Mandela. I dunno man, I think it's hardly their fault. If you haven't heard of him in school or through something or someone, why would you google him if you've never heard the name or you haven't been told why that name is especially relevant? As for the "ignorance has become socially acceptable", I'm sorry, but that's an ignorant thing to say. When in history was ignorance not acceptable? Regarding general knowledge: It was not long ago that women barely had access to education and it seemed perfectly fine to many. Most men didn't get access university either, nor did they care. They worked. It was roughly in the 50's that people in the US really started being worried about the well-being of people in other countries. Most people didn't give a rat's ass about anything that didn't concern them personally before then. Low-information voters have always been a thing as well. We can go back to pretty much every civilization in history, even the ones that we consider to be enlightened like the Chinese, the Greeks, the Romans - and even there, only a fraction of the population was interested in knowledge. History books were written to be consulted as archival works but people weren't so aware of any of it. They've always had other concerns. They had to work and worry about their stuff. I don't entirely condone it, but I don't feel like it's useful to judge people for what's most likely a mix of a poor education and a lack of interest for international affairs in a world where we hear about unfathomable atrocities all day and it can be hard to gauge the relevance of "old news" from 25 years ago for 16 year olds who just want to get out of school to work and make a living. | ||
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Nausea
Sweden807 Posts
Nah, very sad to see him go. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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Diaresta
United States597 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26360 Posts
Not even talking about prior to his death being aware of him, but the mentality that Twitter should hear your thoughts on a guy you aren't aware of, that just NEEDS posted before you even do a cursory Google search. And yeah to varying degrees I think it is socially acceptable, albeit varies with context. I would get more lampooning in work for knowing things and 'being a nerd' than a fellow worker did for not knowing who the Prime Minister is. Anyway, need a drink, figure I'll go my local Student's Union, named in honour of Nelson. One of those rare figures genuinely close to being universally admired, despite not being without flaws. | ||
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Rowa
Belgium962 Posts
" I am deeply saddened by the passing of Mr. Mandela. His was a life filled with purpose and hope; hope for himself, his country and the world. He inspired others to reach for what appeared to be impossible and moved them to break through the barriers that held them hostage mentally, physically, socially and economically. He made us realize, we are our brother's keeper and that our brothers come in all colors. What I will remember most about Mr. Mandela is that he was a man whose heart, soul and spirit could not be contained or restrained by racial and economic injustices, metal bars or the burden of hate and revenge. He taught us forgiveness on a grand scale. His was a spirit born free, destined to soar above the rainbows. Today his spirit is soaring through the heavens. He is now forever free. ---Muhammad Ali " | ||
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MoltkeWarding
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IronWolf
South Africa315 Posts
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IronWolf
South Africa315 Posts
On December 06 2013 18:38 zeo wrote: The ANC is every bit as racist as the National Party they replaced. White people in SA are having a really bad time, things like government decrees that say white candidates for jobs have to go at the bottom of the list among other things. Maybe he was good as a figure-head, but horrible as a statesman. SA went from the most prosperous country in Africa, a nuclear power, to the highest rates of crime/murder/rape/HIV in the world. EDIT: All I can say is thank god the SA government (apartheid) had the vision to dismantle those nuclear weapons before they fell into the hands of the ANC I am not sure what you think this country is like today, but your view implies that things were better off for my country back then. If the ANC were as racist as the NP, then we would look like Zimbabwe. Nobody who suffered under apartheid ever wishes to go back to what things were like. The effect of having Mandela as our president has opened so many opportunities for me and my family. I could go to a better school. I could go to university and get a job that was reserved for a white person only. As for white people in SA not getting jobs...its hardly that bad for them. You probably hear more about that cos he tweeted it on his iPhone5. They will benefit from the spoils of apartheid for generations to come. There is an entire nation that needs to be given opportunities, education and basic human rights first. I will hire a black person over a white person of the same skill without a second thought.. Our economy isn't great, but there are only a few countries in the world right now that are doing ok. I will take a shit economy over apartheid any day. BTW: We have a nuclear program today...in the hands of the ANC. There are 3 nuclear power plants going up across the country. Rebuilding a country is not achieved over a couple of decades. It takes generations. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On December 07 2013 07:48 IronWolf wrote: I will hire a black person over a white person of the same skill without a second thought.. Still work to do, I see! | ||
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NeuroticPsychosis
United States322 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On December 07 2013 07:48 IronWolf wrote: I am not sure what you think this country is like today, but your view implies that things were better off for my country back then. If the ANC were as racist as the NP, then we would look like Zimbabwe. Nobody who suffered under apartheid ever wishes to go back to what things were like. The effect of having Mandela as our president has opened so many opportunities for me and my family. I could go to a better school. I could go to university and get a job that was reserved for a white person only. As for white people in SA not getting jobs...its hardly that bad for them. You probably hear more about that cos he tweeted it on his iPhone5. They will benefit from the spoils of apartheid for generations to come. There is an entire nation that needs to be given opportunities, education and basic human rights first. I will hire a black person over a white person of the same skill without a second thought.. Our economy isn't great, but there are only a few countries in the world right now that are doing ok. I will take a shit economy over apartheid any day. BTW: We have a nuclear program today...in the hands of the ANC. There are 3 nuclear power plants going up across the country. Rebuilding a country is not achieved over a couple of decades. It takes generations. Great comment, should keep the excusers at bay, TL blows in recognizing privilege, we do have a mostly white, not living in shitty country userbase | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On December 07 2013 09:03 NeuroticPsychosis wrote: Many people do not know Nelson Mandela because they do not care about apartheid in South Africa and, by extension, prejudice and discrimination in any nation on the face of the planet. Ignorance is not bliss That's a strange and absolutely retarded extrapolation. I hate facebook but once in a while, a little pebble of wisdom pops on it. Earlier, someone mocked those who do not know of Mandela and said that they "represent everything that is wrong with the world". A girl that I don't know smartly said that they don't REPRESENT everything that is wrong with the world, but rather they are a RESULT of everything that is wrong with the world. Too often, people like yourself come up with small catchphrases or just little sentences that make no fucking sense and they don't care to doublecheck their own words for internal coherence. I'm most likely guilty of this myself. You say that not caring about the Apartheid somehow proves that the person also doesn't care about prejudice and discrimination. And yet a person can be completely disgusted by racism in their own general vicinity. They can be aware and against what goes on around them, while being largely unaware of international affairs and international issues. You, or most people have very limited interest in some of the conflicts that are currently going on and I wouldn't question your morality solely because you don't know what the fuck is going on in Sudan. | ||
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yandere991
Australia394 Posts
I do believe that "positive" discrimination is every bit as disgusting as normal discrimination. And before anyone reaches for ad homs, I migrated to NZ when I was 5 with my parents with barely any money. But I guess some people would spin that as "privileged". On topic though: RIP, men with that amount of conviction are rare these days. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
On December 07 2013 09:41 Djzapz wrote: That's a strange and absolutely retarded extrapolation. I hate facebook but once in a while, a little pebble of wisdom pops on it. Earlier, someone mocked those who do not know of Mandela and said that they "represent everything that is wrong with the world". A girl that I don't know smartly said that they don't REPRESENT everything that is wrong with the world, but rather they are a RESULT of everything that is wrong with the world. Too often, people like yourself come up with small catchphrases or just little sentences that make no fucking sense and they don't care to doublecheck their own words for internal coherence. I'm most likely guilty of this myself. You say that not caring about the Apartheid somehow proves that the person also doesn't care about prejudice and discrimination. And yet a person can be completely disgusted by racism in their own general vicinity. They can be aware and against what goes on around them, while being largely unaware of international affairs and international issues. You, or most people have very limited interest in some of the conflicts that are currently going on and I wouldn't question your morality solely because you don't know what the fuck is going on in Sudan. most of the people mocking the ignorance of certain 'muricans have an equally ignorant view of Mandela. the term bien pensant seems fitting - Apartheid excusers should be banned lol - stuff like this is what I mean. you do realize it is possible to say that by certain metrics, things were better under apartheid, even if one finds apartheid repellent (ending apartheid is a just cause, that does not mean one can't despise the people that bombed groceries attempting to accomplish that, etc. etc.) to bring up a somewhat obscure example: mafia activity fell under mussolini's time as ruler. does knowing this mean I am a supporter of fascism? And before anyone reaches for ad homs, I migrated to NZ when I was 5 with my parents with barely any money. But I guess some people would spin that as "privileged". well yes, the doctrine of white privilege is much like a religion, it is axiomatic and unfalsifiable If the ANC were as racist as the NP, then we would look like Zimbabwe. "You have more rights because you're a majority; you have less rights because you're a minority. That's how democracy works." (if you don't know, go look up who said that!) I guess "less" is better than "no". ** If OT, let me know and I'll stop. | ||
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