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On December 06 2013 12:13 hootsushi wrote:You don't even know how sad I was after seeing this.
I'm sure there are some names that I really should know and I don't, but you'd think Mandela is a name that everybody should know about. No reason to harp on people who don't, though. It could be because of a lack of education. And you can hardly blame people for having a lack of curiosity, nobody gives a fuck anymore and it's like it's completely normal.
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On December 06 2013 11:37 Jaaaaasper wrote:RIP to a great but flawed man. Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 10:01 NarAliya wrote:
Seriously, I don't want to hear Obama's name being mentioned in the same vein as Nelson Mandela. They were not cut from the same cloth.
May his soul rest in perfect peace. Yeah Obama amd his alliies never deliberately attacked purely civilian gatherings. Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 09:53 Zealos wrote:
This probably isn't a good time to ask, but I'm seeing lots of comments about it. Was this guy in any way a terrorist? I love him, and believe he is one the greatest people to live, but was he in some way involved in terrorist activity?
Sorry if this is too disrespectful, I'll remove it if that is the case. yes he was but mostly by the fact that he took part in the organization that then produced the terrorists rather than the terrorists directly.So before he dedicated most of his life to fixing what the apartheid had created and what the radical offshoot of what he worked for did, yes he was at least indirectly involved with terrorists, like most freedom fighters are.
you mean he attacked apartheid supporters who were financing guerrilas.and as for obama never attacking civilian meetings simply google videos of americana atrocities in iraq where 1 mil people died,most of them civilian.
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On December 06 2013 12:13 hootsushi wrote:You don't even know how sad I was after seeing this.
Why should it make you sad? Its natural that over time, the significance of a person's actions a long time ago diminish and become forgotten. I don't think he's entirely unknown, but certainly there's going to be some minority who haven't studied him in history class or through other means. He really hasn't been done anything significant in a few decades, and what he did do had very little relation to the US. I mean there are apparently lots of Americans who can't place Canada on a map and we take up about half of *their* continent.
One thing you have to remember is that looking at that twitter feed, it concentrates all those people into one large group, so it seems like a very large number who are totally unaware of what he did. But we don't know how many people are aware; I'm guessing the majority of the US is aware (and I guess that's a couple hundred million or so?). So really this is just a small fraction.
Possibly a better question is what meaningful purpose is there in knowing what Nelson Mandela did? It may be inspiring I'll give you that, but in terms of functional knowledge I'm not sure there is much purpose. Its not really a 'tragedy' to focus on more useful subjects than to maintain a constant working memory of all the 'heroes' and 'revolutionaries' from the past two decades.
For the sake of the thread I'll add in a rest in peace. I think he was among one of the few people who are universally respected.
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An Onion article about him lol:
Nelson Mandela Becomes First Politician To Be Missed
JOHANNESBURG—Following the death of former South African president and civil rights leader Nelson Mandela today at the age of 95, sources confirmed that the revered humanitarian has become the first politician in recorded history to actually be missed. “Today we lost not only an international hero and a symbol of the resilient human spirit, but also the very first political figure ever who people actively wish was still alive and affecting world affairs,” said political historian Wallace M. Delaney of Columbia University, adding that Mandela will long be remembered for enduring 27 years in prison in the fight against apartheid, championing equality across the globe, and standing alone as the only world leader whose passing left the international community grief-stricken and feeling a palpable void in their lives. “Certainly people have felt a sense of sorrow at the deaths of politicians in the past, but Nelson Mandela’s death is the only one on record that people everywhere unanimously agree has left the world notably worse off. I miss him, we all miss him—and that’s entirely unprecedented in the world of politics.” Delaney added that he could not predict who might be the second politician to be missed by humanity, but confirmed there were no viable candidates anywhere out there right now.
~ http://www.theonion.com/articles/nelson-mandela-becomes-first-politician-to-be-miss,34755/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default
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@radscorpion9
he was also constatly on international news websites not just history books.especially since his health deteriorated,
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Myh Mahatma @Bougiegirl_ 5h
I Have A Dream. RIP Nelson Mandela
Kaico @kaiquefiladelfo 5h
I have a dream R.I.P nelson mandela
Maca @macagalvin 5h
RIP Nelson Mandela, your "I have a dream" speech will never be forgotten x
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"I have a dream" Nelson Mandela
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NELSON MANDELA DID NOT GIVE THE "I HAVE A DREAM" SPEECH THAT WAS MARTIN LUTHER KING YOU THICK SHITS
haha wow
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On December 06 2013 12:37 radscorpion9 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 12:13 hootsushi wrote:You don't even know how sad I was after seeing this. Why should it make you sad? Its natural that over time, the significance of a person's actions a long time ago diminish and become forgotten. I don't think he's entirely unknown, but certainly there's going to be some minority who haven't studied him in history class or through other means. He really hasn't been done anything significant in a few decades, and what he did do had very little relation to the US. I mean there are apparently lots of Americans who can't place Canada on a map and we take up about half of *their* continent. One thing you have to remember is that looking at that twitter feed, it concentrates all those people into one large group, so it seems like a very large number who are totally unaware of what he did. But we don't know how many people are aware; I'm guessing the majority of the US is aware (and I guess that's a couple hundred million or so?). So really this is just a small fraction. Possibly a better question is what meaningful purpose is there in knowing what Nelson Mandela did? It may be inspiring I'll give you that, but in terms of functional knowledge I'm not sure there is much purpose. Its not really a 'tragedy' to focus on more useful subjects than to maintain a constant working memory of all the 'heroes' and 'revolutionaries' from the past two decades. For the sake of the thread I'll add in a rest in peace. I think he was among one of the few people who are universally respected.
It is not the fact that some folks don't know who Mandela was or what he did for South Africa, I don't blame people who perhaps didn't receive the education. It's more the fact people go on their social network asking who Mandela was instead of researching themselves. It's never been easier before to find information via the internet and the time it took them to post their stupid update, they could have atleast googled him. The laziness of people nowadays is what makes saddens so much.
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Who cares what anonymous people of unknown age/seriousness/motive are tweeting? Seriously...
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On December 06 2013 12:42 perfidiusrex wrote:
@radscorpion9
he was also constatly on international news websites not just history books.especially since his health deteriorated,
A lot of people don't read the news and a lot of news channels on TV rarely talk about international affairs unless they're of great relevance. And even then, news articles and bits on TV don't do justice to him. The few bits of information I've had about his life outside of class (and my own research out of curiosity) were articles which didn't quite convey the scale and importance of what he has done.
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On December 06 2013 12:36 perfidiusrex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 11:37 Jaaaaasper wrote:RIP to a great but flawed man. On December 06 2013 10:01 NarAliya wrote:
Seriously, I don't want to hear Obama's name being mentioned in the same vein as Nelson Mandela. They were not cut from the same cloth.
May his soul rest in perfect peace. Yeah Obama amd his alliies never deliberately attacked purely civilian gatherings. On December 06 2013 09:53 Zealos wrote:
This probably isn't a good time to ask, but I'm seeing lots of comments about it. Was this guy in any way a terrorist? I love him, and believe he is one the greatest people to live, but was he in some way involved in terrorist activity?
Sorry if this is too disrespectful, I'll remove it if that is the case. yes he was but mostly by the fact that he took part in the organization that then produced the terrorists rather than the terrorists directly.So before he dedicated most of his life to fixing what the apartheid had created and what the radical offshoot of what he worked for did, yes he was at least indirectly involved with terrorists, like most freedom fighters are. you mean he attacked apartheid supporters who were financing guerrilas.and as for obama never attacking civilian meetings simply google videos of americana atrocities in iraq where 1 mil people died,most of them civilian.
because bombing groceries and rugby stadiums is totally the most effective way to air your grievances.
I'd also say that Mandela's involvement in certain violent activities was pretty direct (co-founder of MK), but at least later after his release from prison he did at least advocate for some sort of reconciliation.
He also left the presidency when he easily could have been a ruler for life. That counts for a lot in a region where most leaders leave only through coup or death. Though his successors seem intent on running the country into the ground anyways ~
RIP
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On December 06 2013 12:37 radscorpion9 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 12:13 hootsushi wrote:You don't even know how sad I was after seeing this. Why should it make you sad? Its natural that over time, the significance of a person's actions a long time ago diminish and become forgotten. I don't think he's entirely unknown, but certainly there's going to be some minority who haven't studied him in history class or through other means. He really hasn't been done anything significant in a few decades, and what he did do had very little relation to the US. I mean there are apparently lots of Americans who can't place Canada on a map and we take up about half of *their* continent. One thing you have to remember is that looking at that twitter feed, it concentrates all those people into one large group, so it seems like a very large number who are totally unaware of what he did. But we don't know how many people are aware; I'm guessing the majority of the US is aware (and I guess that's a couple hundred million or so?). So really this is just a small fraction. Possibly a better question is what meaningful purpose is there in knowing what Nelson Mandela did? It may be inspiring I'll give you that, but in terms of functional knowledge I'm not sure there is much purpose. Its not really a 'tragedy' to focus on more useful subjects than to maintain a constant working memory of all the 'heroes' and 'revolutionaries' from the past two decades. For the sake of the thread I'll add in a rest in peace. I think he was among one of the few people who are universally respected.
You don't think there's functional knowledge in knowing who Mandela was and what he did? We're overly saturated by news about people who don't matter (Kim Kardashian/Paris Hilton/Miley Cyrus etc.) as it is. The Gossip industry has reached a point where we're actually debating on the merits of just giving attention to someone as oh so unimportant as Nelson Mandela.
So it's not that it's a matter of usefullness or purpose but it seems to me that it's really just a question of priority.
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Some people prefer to live simple lives and they're comfortable in it. It's fun to act snobbish because I know a lot of misc. stuff as well as big important historical events and symbolic events, but if my buddy who works in construction judges that certain things are inconsequential to his life, it's not completely unreasonable of me to accept that.
I can't understand to save my life why some people are not interested in these things, but what can I do? Be smug and patronizing to these people, and tell them about how a proper occidental fellow should behave? Eh!
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Rest in peace Nelson Mandela. You did a big difference for many people.
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I would strongly advise to read his autobiography Long Walk to Freedom, it's an extremely interesting read (he wrote it during his years in prison)
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Heh, yeah. I was at school today and someone broke in and said that while some people and I were talking and the first thing that came to me was "oh, that sucks, i loved him in the dark knight". It was a joke -- not to this one guy though >: (.
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Rest in peace. One of the great men of our time.
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He did great but his country is not in good shape. "Hey now you're free, but we still own everything." It will take some time. The problem is that he basicly decided who was the next President as getting his support meant being elected (which is normal I guess). And the guy he supported has done a very bad job, a true African President.
edit : Remembers me "Waiting for the vote of the wild animals" from Ahmadou Kourouma. All his novels worth a read if you're interested in Africa's politics.
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On December 06 2013 18:27 nojok wrote:
He did great but his country is not in good shape. "Hey now you're free, but we still own everything." It will take some time. The problem is that he basicly decided who was the next President as getting his support meant being elected (which is normal I guess). And the guy he supported has done a very bad job, a true African President.
The ANC is every bit as racist as the National Party they replaced. White people in SA are having a really bad time, things like government decrees that say white candidates for jobs have to go at the bottom of the list among other things.
Maybe he was good as a figure-head, but horrible as a statesman. SA went from the most prosperous country in Africa, a nuclear power, to the highest rates of crime/murder/rape/HIV in the world.
EDIT: All I can say is thank god the SA government (apartheid) had the vision to dismantle those nuclear weapons before they fell into the hands of the ANC
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