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Nelson Mandela has died. -Updated - Page 12

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j1nzo
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany367 Posts
December 18 2013 10:35 GMT
#221
i think it's great to get a reply from a person from south africa.
i did not intentionally exaggerate the political and social situation however, in 2010 i wrote a paper about south africa's increasing involvement on international politics (specifically ibsa).
by doing so i also did research on the history as well, in order to have a better grasp about the present (2010 that is). so i basically tried to regive what i read at that time...
♞ rest in peace Madiba ♞
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 18 2013 10:46 GMT
#222
On December 13 2013 20:24 Hoender wrote:
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On December 13 2013 20:07 j1nzo wrote:
On December 06 2013 09:53 Zealos wrote:
This probably isn't a good time to ask, but I'm seeing lots of comments about it. Was this guy in any way a terrorist? I love him, and believe he is one the greatest people to live, but was he in some way involved in terrorist activity?

Sorry if this is too disrespectful, I'll remove it if that is the case.


why would you think your comment is disrespectful? you say you love him and he is one of the greatest people to live… don't get much better than that

to say that he was a terrorist- or not is a bit tricky. back in the day the situation for blacks in sa was teeerrible- way worse than for example in the us.
the white regime would enforce its ideals/laws/principles with violence…
so what kinda happened is that the police would just beat up- or straight up kill the back people who tried to bring about changes (even peaceful demonstrants).
and ofcourse, since the whites would even kill the ones triying to change, the reaction of the blacks got more and more raidcal as well.
perhaps the worst single event was the massacre at sharperwill where 69 unarmed protestors were killed by the police.
as a result the "Umkhonto we Sizwe" (spear of the nation) was founded, of which mr. Mandela was the leader of that organization.
the idea was basically that against that kind of behavior only violence would be an adequate answer.
so what happend was, that as a leader of the umkhonto we sizwe, mr. Mandela did prepare plans for attacks on the authorities (his handwriting was identified).
however, one might say you can only turn the other cheek so many times…
so you decide- his people were mistreated and even massacered. he wanted to do something about it, going as far as (maybe?) neccessary. does that make him a terrorist?

Although I agree with you, you're exaggerating a bit there. I do think that the situation for black people were worse than in America, but not way worse. AFAIK Apartheid was not violently enforced, or not initially atleast. Only when there were revolts starting did it become violent. For example the Sharpeville incident that you mentioned, was quite similar to the situation as that of the mine revolts 2 years ago:
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http://live.wsj.com/video/police-open-fire-on-south-african-miners/CF6B2543-883F-494F-8713-448BA5734983.html


The police were called in at Sharpeville to contain the protests. Things got out of hand and apparently things escalated when one policeman lost his nerve and started firing.

That all being said Apartheid was obviously a horrible thing and I'm glad that it ended. Mandela was (in the eyes of the people and government at the time) a terrorist, but also a freedom fighter in the eyes of the "non-white" people.


one man's terrorist is inevitably another's freedom fighter, it's the way of the world
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