EPTObesity declared a disease by AMA - Page 5
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
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codonbyte
United States840 Posts
On June 21 2013 04:54 FragKrag wrote: insurance companies are going to have a fun time with this one... Oh yes. I've never really understood how health insurance companies manage to make ANY profit, what with laws inhibiting their ability to do risk-assessment on potential customers. Not saying those laws are wrong, as everyone needs health insurance. Idk, insurance just confuses me @_@ | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On June 21 2013 03:45 Lycaeus wrote: "It's not my fault I'm fat, I have a DISEASE" Stan it's not my fault i'm alcoholic, im powerless against this disease | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
On June 21 2013 04:34 ZasZ. wrote: To be fair, treating Anorexia and Bulimia isn't as simple as eating more and not puking. Often it requires psychoanalysis, and many times obesity does as well to determine the reason for certain eating habits, etc. However, it still doesn't absolve the individual, no matter their eating disorder, from seeking help and trying to get better. The problem with psychological disorders is that it requires an extraordinary effort to get help; otherwise they wouldn't develop into full-blown disorders. People in this thread saying "stop eating fatso" are the equivalent of people going to someone with clinical depression "nobody likes a whiny little bitch". Some people are fat by choice. Those may even be the majority. But making such blanket statements is not much different from any other form of bias towards a group of people; at best, it's wildly insensitive. | ||
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sekritzzz
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codonbyte
United States840 Posts
On June 21 2013 04:57 sekritzzz wrote: I guess its time for the extremist "liberals" to force fat people to eat lettuce now. They pose a health risk to their surrounding! LOL yeah, I can almost picture Mayor Bloomberg crafting his next piece of legislation. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
There are obviously people who live with physical disorders they cannot control that leads to weight gain. I'm pretty sure no one has a problem with that. And then there are obviously people who literally don't give a shit either way and are truly, fat slobs. The question is, in your mind, what % of people are actually living with a disease, or are actually lazy? In my mind, I tend to believe the latter. On that note, we can also let them pretend cardiovascular diseases have absolutely no relation to living an overweight, unhealthy lifestyle. | ||
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Littlesheep
Canada217 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On June 21 2013 04:56 codonbyte wrote: Idk, insurance just confuses me @_@ That's by design. It's more profitable that way. | ||
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codonbyte
United States840 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:00 a176 wrote: Can we be serious here? There are obviously people who live with physical disorders they cannot control that leads to weight gain. I'm pretty sure no one has a problem with that. And then there are obviously people who literally don't give a shit either way and are truly, fat slobs. The question is, in your mind, what % of people are actually living with a disease, or are actually lazy? In my mind, I tend to believe the latter. On that note, we can also let them pretend cardiovascular diseases have absolutely no relation to living an overweight, unhealthy lifestyle. Why is it necessary for us to differentiate between people who are, as you put it, "fat slobs", and people who have a disease? Why is it any of our business why a fat person is fat? Why do we always have to pick "good guys" and "bad guys" in every aspect of life ever? It just seems mean. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a softy. It's just... Can't we all just get along?  | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On June 21 2013 04:57 sekritzzz wrote: I guess its time for the extremist "liberals" to force fat people to eat lettuce now. They pose a health risk to their surrounding! How about just promote healthy lifestyles... For their own sake. If people show signs of not being able to control themselves in regards to anything, even if it's something perfectly healthy, can become a problem in extreme excess. The absolute freedom to choose what to do with your own body is paralleled with absolute responsibility for it, if you ruin your body completely of your own choice and understanding you've got no right to demand other people make concessions for you or that tax payers provide health services for you. Labeling obesity a disease is just ridiculous. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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Kinon
Romania207 Posts
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On June 21 2013 04:42 Zocat wrote: And society is there to help people who have it harder Agreed. We can help them by giving them the motivation and wherewithal to get better, not by patronizing them and telling them that it is OK to have 6,000 calories a day. You don't help someone with alcoholism or drug addiction, two very similar diseases to obesity, by looking the other way while they consume more drugs and alcohol because it's hard for them to stop. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:05 codonbyte wrote: Why is it necessary for us to differentiate between people who are, as you put it, "fat slobs", and people who have a disease? Why is it any of our business why a fat person is fat? Why do we always have to pick "good guys" and "bad guys" in every aspect of life ever? It just seems mean. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a softy. It's just... Can't we all just get along? It's becomes our business when it's declared a disease that is covered by insurance/medicaid. That is our money paying for their "treatment". | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:07 Kinon wrote: It's weird to have obesity in the same category with Hodgkin's disease, for example. They're in the same category like a tree and a human are both categorically "living things." Are you seriously comparing obesity to cancer? Do you seriously think that's what the AMA is doing? | ||
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Fenris420
Sweden213 Posts
What worries me is how easily some will judge fat people simply for being fat. Who cares why or whether it is possibly to avoid it? The underlying point is that people have different priorities, which is sort of obvious considering how easy it is to stay fit if you prefer that over other things. To me, bashing fat people is the same kind of intolerance as any other bashing of a group of people. I don't get it. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:05 codonbyte wrote: Why is it necessary for us to differentiate between people who are, as you put it, "fat slobs", and people who have a disease? Why is it any of our business why a fat person is fat? Why do we always have to pick "good guys" and "bad guys" in every aspect of life ever? It just seems mean. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a softy. It's just... Can't we all just get along? because if nothing else it's bad from an efficiency point of view? Why should a certain population get to overconsume when other parts of the population are starving? | ||
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eronica
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On June 21 2013 04:14 codonbyte wrote: Or maybe the skinny person just has a metabolism that burns up absolutely everything they eat at lightning speed, while the fat person has an inferior metabolism that actually punishes them for their poor lifestyle choices. This doesn't actually exist, outside of maybe an extremely small part of the population, or people who have some serious metabolic disorders where there are more signs and symptoms than just obesity. Research shows that people who claim they "barely eat anything and gain weight" overeat way more than they think they do, and the people who claim they eat 3,000 calories for lunch but can't gain weight are probably eating about half that and almost nothing else throughout the day. I've gone through long periods of counting my calories for dieting/bulking and eating 3000 calories is INSANELY simple even if you aren't eating junk food. You can talk about how people may have naturally more receptors for this or that chemical, how the reward center of their brain has some sort of anomaly, etc. but "I'm not eating a lot, I just have a slow metabolism" is almost always just straight up delusion based on anecdotes. | ||
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