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On June 21 2013 05:05 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:00 a176 wrote:
Can we be serious here?
There are obviously people who live with physical disorders they cannot control that leads to weight gain. I'm pretty sure no one has a problem with that.
And then there are obviously people who literally don't give a shit either way and are truly, fat slobs. The question is, in your mind, what % of people are actually living with a disease, or are actually lazy? In my mind, I tend to believe the latter.
On that note, we can also let them pretend cardiovascular diseases have absolutely no relation to living an overweight, unhealthy lifestyle. Why is it necessary for us to differentiate between people who are, as you put it, "fat slobs", and people who have a disease? Why is it any of our business why a fat person is fat? Why do we always have to pick "good guys" and "bad guys" in every aspect of life ever? It just seems mean. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a softy. It's just... Can't we all just get along? 
Because, regardless of what you think, when obesity reaches the levels that it has in this country, the excuse of "I choose to be fat, and it doesn't affect anyone else so that's OK" doesn't really fly anymore. The "Americans are fat slobs" stereotype not only pervades other countries' opinions of us, but our entertainment industry, how we are marketed to, what our public medical funding and research is allocated towards, and the overall happiness of the population. If you think that a third of the U.S. population being obese is only of a concern to that third of the U.S. population, you are wrong. It affects everyone. All you have to do is turn on a popular cable TV channel and see how many ads there are for fast food, soda, and beer. These things are all tasty when consumed in moderation, but they're not marketing them towards people capable of moderation, because Coca Cola makes their money off of the people who have a Diet Coke with their breakfast.
If a person truly is a hermit, and never communicates or comes in contact with another human being, ever, then he might be able to get away with the excuse that bad habit X is ok because it doesn't affect anyone but himself. But in today's age, it's simply not true for the vast majority of people.
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On June 21 2013 05:05 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:00 a176 wrote:
Can we be serious here?
There are obviously people who live with physical disorders they cannot control that leads to weight gain. I'm pretty sure no one has a problem with that.
And then there are obviously people who literally don't give a shit either way and are truly, fat slobs. The question is, in your mind, what % of people are actually living with a disease, or are actually lazy? In my mind, I tend to believe the latter.
On that note, we can also let them pretend cardiovascular diseases have absolutely no relation to living an overweight, unhealthy lifestyle. Why is it necessary for us to differentiate between people who are, as you put it, "fat slobs", and people who have a disease? Why is it any of our business why a fat person is fat? Why do we always have to pick "good guys" and "bad guys" in every aspect of life ever? It just seems mean. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a softy. It's just... Can't we all just get along?
When you start losing friends and family members to preventable CVD conditions (heart attack, stroke, etc), you start making it your business.
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On June 21 2013 05:12 Fenris420 wrote:
What worries me is how easily some will judge fat people simply for being fat. Who cares why or whether it is possibly to avoid it? The underlying point is that people have different priorities, which is sort of obvious considering how easy it is to stay fit if you prefer that over other things. To me, bashing fat people is the same kind of intolerance as any other bashing of a group of people. I don't get it.
That's just human nature, which is hardly going to just change without reason.
It doesn't help that individuals have some influence over their weight, compared to race and such. Makes it slightly more publicly permissible. Either way, it's human nature to judge people based on appearances, and that's not changing.
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I dont know, I do believe some of these people actually do have certain gland and hormonal issues that causes them to gain weight, but in like 99% cases its a laziness depression sort of thing. No way its a disease, absolutely no way.
I dont like fat people and I consider them to have weak character. Especially the ones who complain about their weight and want people to feel sorry bout them. Yuck
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On June 21 2013 05:18 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:12 Fenris420 wrote:
What worries me is how easily some will judge fat people simply for being fat. Who cares why or whether it is possibly to avoid it? The underlying point is that people have different priorities, which is sort of obvious considering how easy it is to stay fit if you prefer that over other things. To me, bashing fat people is the same kind of intolerance as any other bashing of a group of people. I don't get it. That's just human nature, which is hardly going to just change without reason. It doesn't help that individuals have some influence over their weight, compared to race and such. Makes it slightly more publicly permissible. Either way, it's human nature to judge people based on appearances, and that's not changing.
Im just interested, whats your opinion on smokers?
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On June 21 2013 05:19 NukeD wrote:
I dont know, I do believe some of these people actually do have certain gland and hormonal issues that causes them to gain weight, but in like 99% cases its a laziness depression sort of thing. No way its a disease, absolutely no way.
I dont like fat people and I consider them to have weak character. Especially the ones who complain about their weight and want people to feel sorry bout them. Yuck
I cringe when someone on an airplane asks for a seatbelt extender. I don't know if I would be able to do it. I would feel so ashamed.
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On June 21 2013 05:20 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:18 LegalLord wrote:On June 21 2013 05:12 Fenris420 wrote:
What worries me is how easily some will judge fat people simply for being fat. Who cares why or whether it is possibly to avoid it? The underlying point is that people have different priorities, which is sort of obvious considering how easy it is to stay fit if you prefer that over other things. To me, bashing fat people is the same kind of intolerance as any other bashing of a group of people. I don't get it. That's just human nature, which is hardly going to just change without reason. It doesn't help that individuals have some influence over their weight, compared to race and such. Makes it slightly more publicly permissible. Either way, it's human nature to judge people based on appearances, and that's not changing. Im just interested, whats your opinion on smokers?
Almost the same, except for the fact that secondhand smoke does cause some rather nasty externalities.
Although probably not as severely judged because you can't always tell that someone is a smoker by their appearance.
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My perspective on this subject is mixed. On the one hand it's easy to say "just eat healthier" or "stop eating" and condemn fat people for their "lifestyle mistakes." On the other hand, I'm 6' and weigh about 135-140 lbs, I do make a general effort to eat in a balanced way, but there have definitely been points in my life (high school) where, had I not been blessed with a ridiculous metabolism, my consistent diet of Baconators and Jalapeno Thickburgers would have surely made me overweight. There is no diet that works for everyone, and you are asking a portion of the population to deprive themselves of things that others can enjoy regularly, which I can understand would be frustrating. I think, like contraception, this is something that just needs to be given greater (and earlier) exposure to increase effectiveness and general awareness.
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On June 21 2013 05:19 NukeD wrote:
I dont know, I do believe some of these people actually do have certain gland and hormonal issues that causes them to gain weight, but in like 99% cases its a laziness depression sort of thing. No way its a disease, absolutely no way.
I dont like fat people and I consider them to have weak character. Especially the ones who complain about their weight and want people to feel sorry bout them. Yuck
I just don't get how people can continue to throw out "I don't like fat people". Get over yourselves. Not everyone is cut from the same cloth and not everyone makes the same choices that you do. Someone CAN be fat and still lead a pretty active lifestyle. For you to say that 99% of fat people are just lazy is ridiculous. The only time it's okay to be lazy is if you're thin?
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On June 21 2013 05:21 ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:19 NukeD wrote:
I dont know, I do believe some of these people actually do have certain gland and hormonal issues that causes them to gain weight, but in like 99% cases its a laziness depression sort of thing. No way its a disease, absolutely no way.
I dont like fat people and I consider them to have weak character. Especially the ones who complain about their weight and want people to feel sorry bout them. Yuck I cringe when someone on an airplane asks for a seatbelt extender. I don't know if I would be able to do it. I would feel so ashamed.
Awhile back, Southwest decided to start forcing obese customers to purchase two tickets.
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On June 21 2013 05:21 ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:19 NukeD wrote:
I dont know, I do believe some of these people actually do have certain gland and hormonal issues that causes them to gain weight, but in like 99% cases its a laziness depression sort of thing. No way its a disease, absolutely no way.
I dont like fat people and I consider them to have weak character. Especially the ones who complain about their weight and want people to feel sorry bout them. Yuck I cringe when someone on an airplane asks for a seatbelt extender. I don't know if I would be able to do it. I would feel so ashamed.
Remember that fat lady who died of liver failure (or something similar) while on vacation in Eastern Europe? The husband tried suing the flight company that rejected her emergency flight because they couldn't accommodate her fat ass. Imagine if that had happened AFTER fat-assery was declared a disease. Oh boy....
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On June 21 2013 05:20 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:18 LegalLord wrote:On June 21 2013 05:12 Fenris420 wrote:
What worries me is how easily some will judge fat people simply for being fat. Who cares why or whether it is possibly to avoid it? The underlying point is that people have different priorities, which is sort of obvious considering how easy it is to stay fit if you prefer that over other things. To me, bashing fat people is the same kind of intolerance as any other bashing of a group of people. I don't get it. That's just human nature, which is hardly going to just change without reason. It doesn't help that individuals have some influence over their weight, compared to race and such. Makes it slightly more publicly permissible. Either way, it's human nature to judge people based on appearances, and that's not changing. Im just interested, whats your opinion on smokers?
The parallels to smoking stick in my mind as well. Smoking is already intensely discouraged and regulated, and the lung cancer it causes is treated as a disease. I think cigarettes and shitty food are very similar in their addictive and health ruining effects. I wonder if they can or should be eradicated in the same manner.
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"fat-assery" Jesus any thread relating to obesity on this forum just turns into a shitfest
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On June 21 2013 05:27 Elairec wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:19 NukeD wrote:
I dont know, I do believe some of these people actually do have certain gland and hormonal issues that causes them to gain weight, but in like 99% cases its a laziness depression sort of thing. No way its a disease, absolutely no way.
I dont like fat people and I consider them to have weak character. Especially the ones who complain about their weight and want people to feel sorry bout them. Yuck I just don't get how people can continue to throw out "I don't like fat people". Get over yourselves. Not everyone is cut from the same cloth and not everyone makes the same choices that you do. Someone CAN be fat and still lead a pretty active lifestyle. For you to say that 99% of fat people are just lazy is ridiculous. The only time it's okay to be lazy is if you're thin?
Nah i dont mean fat, i mean obese people, like really obese. I have nothing against someone being just "fat" or a bit bigger. Should have wrote that right away, my bad.
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On June 21 2013 05:28 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:21 ayaz2810 wrote:On June 21 2013 05:19 NukeD wrote:
I dont know, I do believe some of these people actually do have certain gland and hormonal issues that causes them to gain weight, but in like 99% cases its a laziness depression sort of thing. No way its a disease, absolutely no way.
I dont like fat people and I consider them to have weak character. Especially the ones who complain about their weight and want people to feel sorry bout them. Yuck I cringe when someone on an airplane asks for a seatbelt extender. I don't know if I would be able to do it. I would feel so ashamed. Remember that fat lady who died of liver failure (or something similar) while on vacation in Eastern Europe? The husband tried suing the flight company that rejected her emergency flight because they couldn't accommodate her fat ass. Imagine if that had happened AFTER fat-assery was declared a disease. Oh boy....
That would have been a nightmare for the airline involved. And on a side note, it goes to show you the kind of world we live in when you know that if that had happened, the guy would have ended up a millionaire. Ugh.
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On June 21 2013 05:18 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:12 Fenris420 wrote:
What worries me is how easily some will judge fat people simply for being fat. Who cares why or whether it is possibly to avoid it? The underlying point is that people have different priorities, which is sort of obvious considering how easy it is to stay fit if you prefer that over other things. To me, bashing fat people is the same kind of intolerance as any other bashing of a group of people. I don't get it. That's just human nature, which is hardly going to just change without reason. It doesn't help that individuals have some influence over their weight, compared to race and such. Makes it slightly more publicly permissible. Either way, it's human nature to judge people based on appearances, and that's not changing.
If people were this upfront about it I wouldn't mind either. It is just that your exact words could be used to defend obesity and do a pretty good job at it:
"That's just human nature, which is hardly going to just change without reason."
If irrationality in regards to personal health is to be frowned upon, then it would be highly ironic to not also scrutinise the very behaviour that makes us frown in the first place.
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On June 21 2013 05:30 Elairec wrote:
"fat-assery" Jesus any thread relating to obesity on this forum just turns into a shitfest
Did you expect otherwise? It's a condition that can be "easily" remedied by most of the people suffering from it. When they don't, people are going to judge them for it. Whether it be on this forum, on another, or in real life. Most of the things I have read in this thread I have heard from people that I know. Sad but true.
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I get really pissed when people say I'm "lucky" to have a high metabolism or good genetics. I played competitive ice hockey basically my entire life, watch what I eat carefully and hit the gym 4-5 times a week. I ration my meals to 560 calories per serving 5 times per day. I eat healthy foods. If you're fat; it's your decision, lack of self control or motivation. Anyone that pretends they couldn't have a killer beach body and feel great due to genetics is delusional. Being healthy is a lifestyle. You either chose to live it, put in the time and effort and have the body of your dreams and feel great due to consuming the correct type and amount of food, or you're a lazy human being that can't even put effort into the one thing that matters most, yourself. It also makes you an eyesore for the rest of us, makes it annoying for me to squeeze past your giant ass taking up an entire aisle and potentially even costs us money due to saving your fat ass from heart disease or the million other problems being overweight brings.
TL;DR, Calling obesity a disease is like calling speeding a disease, it's a conscious choice just like anything else. Being healthy is a lifestyle decision, just like being fat is a lifestyle decision. Anyone that puts in a real effort to eat correctly, get a good amount of exercise and make their health a priority will see excellent results and be proud of how they look and feel.
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On June 21 2013 05:29 Mothra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:20 NukeD wrote:On June 21 2013 05:18 LegalLord wrote:On June 21 2013 05:12 Fenris420 wrote:
What worries me is how easily some will judge fat people simply for being fat. Who cares why or whether it is possibly to avoid it? The underlying point is that people have different priorities, which is sort of obvious considering how easy it is to stay fit if you prefer that over other things. To me, bashing fat people is the same kind of intolerance as any other bashing of a group of people. I don't get it. That's just human nature, which is hardly going to just change without reason. It doesn't help that individuals have some influence over their weight, compared to race and such. Makes it slightly more publicly permissible. Either way, it's human nature to judge people based on appearances, and that's not changing. Im just interested, whats your opinion on smokers? The parallels to smoking stick in my mind as well. Smoking is already intensely discouraged and regulated, and the lung cancer it causes is treated as a disease. I think cigarettes and shitty food are very similar in their addictive and health ruining effects. I wonder if they can or should be eradicated in the same manner.
But that's the thing, you can't get rid of lung cancer by running 4 miles a day. Yeah, I'm a fattie and I smoke (although trying to quit, kinda), and I'm well aware what I have to do to lose it and keep it off, and frankly yes, I'd rather be inside playing Magic or LoL or what the fuck ever else I want to do then getting up and sweating my ass off. I did 5 years of that sort of shit in the Army and it bored me to death. Sure, I was down to 155 and could run 10 miles no problem, but it's far more enjoyable to be 220 and sitting on my ass.
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On June 21 2013 05:35 Audemed wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 05:29 Mothra wrote:On June 21 2013 05:20 NukeD wrote:On June 21 2013 05:18 LegalLord wrote:On June 21 2013 05:12 Fenris420 wrote:
What worries me is how easily some will judge fat people simply for being fat. Who cares why or whether it is possibly to avoid it? The underlying point is that people have different priorities, which is sort of obvious considering how easy it is to stay fit if you prefer that over other things. To me, bashing fat people is the same kind of intolerance as any other bashing of a group of people. I don't get it. That's just human nature, which is hardly going to just change without reason. It doesn't help that individuals have some influence over their weight, compared to race and such. Makes it slightly more publicly permissible. Either way, it's human nature to judge people based on appearances, and that's not changing. Im just interested, whats your opinion on smokers? The parallels to smoking stick in my mind as well. Smoking is already intensely discouraged and regulated, and the lung cancer it causes is treated as a disease. I think cigarettes and shitty food are very similar in their addictive and health ruining effects. I wonder if they can or should be eradicated in the same manner. But that's the thing, you can't get rid of lung cancer by running 4 miles a day. Yeah, I'm a fattie and I smoke (although trying to quit, kinda), and I'm well aware what I have to do to lose it and keep it off, and frankly yes, I'd rather be inside playing Magic or LoL or what the fuck ever else I want to do then getting up and sweating my ass off. I did 5 years of that sort of shit in the Army and it bored me to death. Sure, I was down to 155 and could run 10 miles no problem, but it's far more enjoyable to be 220 and sitting on my ass.
Are... are you my long lost twin brother?
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