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On June 21 2013 04:19 Kazius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:04 Zaqwe wrote:On June 21 2013 03:59 Kinky wrote:On June 21 2013 03:56 Kazius wrote:
There are proper medical conditions that cause obesity. Those should be treated as diseases.
There are psychological conditions that cause obesity. Those should be treated as mental illness.
This mocks both of those. Obesity is a symptom, in which case this is an unneeded definition, or a choice, which makes a farce of people with actual problems. Exactly my thoughts on it. Suddenly all the people who are obese because of bad lifestyle choices are grouped with people who can't control their obesity. Everyone can control their obesity. It's simply a matter of caloric intake. Physically: Hypothyroidism can be treated with hormone treatment. Cushing's Syndrome requires use of steroids for treatment. Both of those cause obesity, and in order to not gain weight with these conditions, you feel like you are constantly starving. Psychologically: Depression may cause people to eat more. A rather common side-effect of antidepressants, anti-psychotics, and a few others drugs used to treat psychological conditions is weight gain. There is such a thing as eating disorders as well. These are all valid medical considerations, and can be treated. Anorexia can be treated by eating more. Bulimia can be treated by not puking. Obesity can be treated by not being a lazy gluttonous fatass. The condescension towards people with psychological problems causing them to gain weight as opposed to losing weight is the massive bias people have in favor of skinny people over fat people.
To be fair, treating Anorexia and Bulimia isn't as simple as eating more and not puking. Often it requires psychoanalysis, and many times obesity does as well to determine the reason for certain eating habits, etc. However, it still doesn't absolve the individual, no matter their eating disorder, from seeking help and trying to get better.
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This is such a shame and so horrible on so many levels.
It's the same how medical field is dehumanising, and alienating every -actual- disease with more and more complex names: most notably going from shellshock to post-traumatic stress disorder or combat stress action.
I guess that's not a popular opinion but this over-PC-fying of every little shit is really getting to me.
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On June 21 2013 04:06 Littlesheep wrote:
Fat people are disgusting, stop eating so much you slobs.
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On June 21 2013 03:57 codonbyte wrote:To be honest I don't see this having any real effect on how much treatment patients get for obesity. Doctors already know that being obese is unhealthy, and I'm pretty sure most people who are fat already know it's unhealthy but are unable to lose weight for one reason or another (self-discipline, succumbing to temptation, slower metabolism, etc.). I don't see how classifying obesity as a disease is going to deal with any of those issues. Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 03:45 Lycaeus wrote:
"It's not my fault I'm fat, I have a DISEASE" Yes, I know we all love to call out fat people for their often-times poor eating habits and lack of self-discipline. However, I don't think that's really all that fair. Sure, having a lack of self discipline may be what ultimately causes obesity many times, however genetics determines how much any individual person is punished for a lack of self-discipline. I'll use myself as an example. I was blessed with a ridonkulously fast metabolism. I have never had to worry about my weight, no matter how poor my eating habits. I'll often eat an entire box of oreos or 2 (big) bags of jelly beans after a long day of work. Last night I ate an entire gallon of ice cream. Yet I am never punished for these poor eating habits in the slightest, simply because of my genes, while some other person with poor eating habits may be getting obese, even if their eating habits are better than mine (not great, but still better than mine). I suspect that a lot of skinny people are thin for the same reason that I am: genetics. And therefore it's never quite sat right with me to go around labeling fat people as being lazy and having no self-control. Edit: With that rant out of the way I would like to say that I think this decision is ridiculous because it's confusing the causes with their symptoms (i.e. a obesity is a symptom of something, either poor lifestyle or a medical condition, etc.). I made another post in this thread that goes into that more.
See, I disagree. I used to be like you when I was younger. I've never had to exhibit self-control or practice moderation while eating and never learned how to. When I hit the age of 22 or so my metabolism started slowing down and my poor eating/health habits started catching up with me. Gas station food for lunch every day, a doughnut for breakfast every morning, a pack of cigarettes a day, pizza on Fridays and binge drinking on the weekends. This went on for a LONG time and I went from weighing 145-150lbs from 10th grade all the way til 21 to now weighing 200-220lbs. Then one day I decided to lose the weight because I thought I looked disgusting. I quit smoking and drinking and started eating healthy while also working out. It's now two years later and I weigh 160-165lbs and am in the best shape of my life.
One could argue that it would be much harder for me, someone who had spent a lifetime of suffering no consequences from his eating habits, to begin practicing moderation. As opposed to someone who has been (allegedly) attempting to practice moderation for a while. Their problem is that they are COMFORTABLE, they have nothing driving them to put down that doughnut and now they even have an EXCUSE not to. It's pathetic if you ask me.
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On June 21 2013 04:33 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:09 Littlesheep wrote:On June 21 2013 04:06 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:03 iamahydralisk wrote:On June 21 2013 03:56 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:52 Stress wrote:
To me a disease is something that is out of your control, such as huntington's or parkinson's, and in the case of being obese if you have a glandular disorder. The vast majority of obese people have no glandular disorder, they are obese because of lifestyle choices. This is just watering down the subject since every year it seems more and more people are becoming overweight due to a lack of care and self-control. I'm going to have to agree here. It's a mental condition if anything. I had experience with this, and it really is nothing more than that. You know you shouldn't eat that food. You know it's bad for you. You know if you don't eat it you'll be under your caloric intake for that day and you'll be on the right track but your brain just fucking forces you man. It's honestly a terrible experience, and a lot of physically fit people who've never had to deal with being obese/overweight will never understand that. It takes an incredible amount of mental fortitude to lose weight because for the first couple of weeks it genuinely feels like you are starving yourself even if you're still taking in 3000 calories per day and your body becomes so accustomed to it you start to freaking break down at times.I don't know how they got to the conclusion that this is a disease, but anything to provide more awareness is good in my book as far as I'm concerned though. Basically everyone who's ever dieted or changed the way they eat (a lifestyle change, not necessarily a diet) has experienced the part of your post that I bolded. Maybe not to the point that obese people do (hard to say), but the point I'm trying to make is, almost everyone has experienced that feeling at one point in time or another, and that perhaps a lot of physically fit people have the most willpower of all because they manage to stay fit. Just food for thought. Oh I understand this. My brother started on the opposite side of the spectrum from me. He was skinny as fuck and worked his way up to getting pretty damn fit. I can tell you this much having been on both a cut and a bulk plenty of times, eating more and working out is much, MUCH easier than eating less and working out. They're both difficult and mentally excruciating but man. I don't believe that putting the cake down is harder than shoving it down your throat when you're not hungry, day after day. Ive had to force myself to gain weight while working out and its one of the hardest things in the world, fat people are just lazy and will make anything seem hard. Maybe fat people ARE hungry? Also, cake tastes good, man (unless it has coconut in the frosting, bleeegh). If you've had to force yourself to gain weight, then you probably have a really fast metabolism, which makes it easy for you to stay thin. Not everyone has a metabolism that is that fast, and may have to work just as hard to lose weight as you work to gain weight (or harder, even).
You're repeating the same tired argument over and over again. No it's not fair that some people have to work harder to lose weight, but that's the way life works. Reality does not account for how hard it is for you to do something, and obese people shouldn't be absolved of any responsibility to get better because it's "hard."
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On June 21 2013 04:36 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 03:57 codonbyte wrote:To be honest I don't see this having any real effect on how much treatment patients get for obesity. Doctors already know that being obese is unhealthy, and I'm pretty sure most people who are fat already know it's unhealthy but are unable to lose weight for one reason or another (self-discipline, succumbing to temptation, slower metabolism, etc.). I don't see how classifying obesity as a disease is going to deal with any of those issues. On June 21 2013 03:45 Lycaeus wrote:
"It's not my fault I'm fat, I have a DISEASE" Yes, I know we all love to call out fat people for their often-times poor eating habits and lack of self-discipline. However, I don't think that's really all that fair. Sure, having a lack of self discipline may be what ultimately causes obesity many times, however genetics determines how much any individual person is punished for a lack of self-discipline. I'll use myself as an example. I was blessed with a ridonkulously fast metabolism. I have never had to worry about my weight, no matter how poor my eating habits. I'll often eat an entire box of oreos or 2 (big) bags of jelly beans after a long day of work. Last night I ate an entire gallon of ice cream. Yet I am never punished for these poor eating habits in the slightest, simply because of my genes, while some other person with poor eating habits may be getting obese, even if their eating habits are better than mine (not great, but still better than mine). I suspect that a lot of skinny people are thin for the same reason that I am: genetics. And therefore it's never quite sat right with me to go around labeling fat people as being lazy and having no self-control. Edit: With that rant out of the way I would like to say that I think this decision is ridiculous because it's confusing the causes with their symptoms (i.e. a obesity is a symptom of something, either poor lifestyle or a medical condition, etc.). I made another post in this thread that goes into that more. See, I disagree. I used to be like you when I was younger. I've never had to exhibit self-control or practice moderation while eating and never learned how to. When I hit the age of 22 or so my metabolism started slowing down and my poor eating/health habits started catching up with me. Gas station food for lunch every day, a doughnut for breakfast every morning, a pack of cigarettes a day, pizza on Fridays and binge drinking on the weekends. This went on for a LONG time and I went from weighing 145-150lbs from 10th grade all the way til 21 to now weighing 200-220lbs. Then one day I decided to lose the weight because I thought I looked disgusting. I quit smoking and drinking and started eating healthy while also working out. It's now two years later and I weigh 160-165lbs and am in the best shape of my life. One could argue that it would be much harder for me, someone who had spent a lifetime of suffering no consequences from his eating habits, to begin practicing moderation. As opposed to someone who has been (allegedly) attempting to practice moderation for a while. Their problem is that they are COMFORTABLE, they have nothing driving them to put down that doughnut and now they even have an EXCUSE not to. It's pathetic if you ask me.
Oh nooooes!! I'm 21 right now!! Don't tell me that my life of eating whatever the hell I want and never having any consequences for my actions is about to end!! D:
I turn 22 in september. I MUST make the most of these last few months of unlimited consumption of crappy food and candy and ice cream!!! *runs off to buy a couple gallons of ice cream and a few kilograms of jelly beans*
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On June 21 2013 04:33 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:09 Littlesheep wrote:On June 21 2013 04:06 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:03 iamahydralisk wrote:On June 21 2013 03:56 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:52 Stress wrote:
To me a disease is something that is out of your control, such as huntington's or parkinson's, and in the case of being obese if you have a glandular disorder. The vast majority of obese people have no glandular disorder, they are obese because of lifestyle choices. This is just watering down the subject since every year it seems more and more people are becoming overweight due to a lack of care and self-control. I'm going to have to agree here. It's a mental condition if anything. I had experience with this, and it really is nothing more than that. You know you shouldn't eat that food. You know it's bad for you. You know if you don't eat it you'll be under your caloric intake for that day and you'll be on the right track but your brain just fucking forces you man. It's honestly a terrible experience, and a lot of physically fit people who've never had to deal with being obese/overweight will never understand that. It takes an incredible amount of mental fortitude to lose weight because for the first couple of weeks it genuinely feels like you are starving yourself even if you're still taking in 3000 calories per day and your body becomes so accustomed to it you start to freaking break down at times.I don't know how they got to the conclusion that this is a disease, but anything to provide more awareness is good in my book as far as I'm concerned though. Basically everyone who's ever dieted or changed the way they eat (a lifestyle change, not necessarily a diet) has experienced the part of your post that I bolded. Maybe not to the point that obese people do (hard to say), but the point I'm trying to make is, almost everyone has experienced that feeling at one point in time or another, and that perhaps a lot of physically fit people have the most willpower of all because they manage to stay fit. Just food for thought. Oh I understand this. My brother started on the opposite side of the spectrum from me. He was skinny as fuck and worked his way up to getting pretty damn fit. I can tell you this much having been on both a cut and a bulk plenty of times, eating more and working out is much, MUCH easier than eating less and working out. They're both difficult and mentally excruciating but man. I don't believe that putting the cake down is harder than shoving it down your throat when you're not hungry, day after day. Ive had to force myself to gain weight while working out and its one of the hardest things in the world, fat people are just lazy and will make anything seem hard. Maybe fat people ARE hungry? Also, cake tastes good, man (unless it has coconut in the frosting, bleeegh). If you've had to force yourself to gain weight, then you probably have a really fast metabolism, which makes it easy for you to stay thin. Not everyone has a metabolism that is that fast, and may have to work just as hard to lose weight as you work to gain weight (or harder, even).
It was hard for him to gain weight because he was exercising, meaning he was probably burning nearly as many calories as he consumed. Everything comes down to calories in and calories out. There is no human being in the world that can just generate mass without consuming a proportionate number calories. To pretend otherwise is to simply ignore basic fundamentals of thermodynamics. Find me such an individual and I'll show you a perpetual motion enginge.
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On June 21 2013 04:28 Elairec wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:13 Littlesheep wrote:On June 21 2013 04:12 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:05 Zaqwe wrote:On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. Being fat reveals a lot of character flaws. I bet if you stopped showering people would also treat you differently. Yes, but it's unfair because it is far easier for some people to remain skinny than for others, due to genetics. I'm not saying being fat is CAUSED by genetics, but genetics do set the "self discipline" requirement that you have to reach to remain skinny. As I said in another post, I was lucky enough to receive genetics that set my "self discipline" requirement to basically zero: I have the worst eating habits ever and I never ever seem to gain any weight. So why is it fair that I'm able to have poor self-discipline and not get judged on it, while some other guy with a similar amount of self-discipline (or lack thereof) gets judged and discriminated against for it? Being fat and not doing anything about it is a sign you don't have any respect for yourself, if you don't respect yourself why should others? Maybe people are comfortable with the way they are? That's never an option to some people it seems ... Perhaps you're not everyones cup of tea either? "I don't like to see them." Just that statement makes my skin crawl because of how petulant you sound.
Nicely put.
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On June 21 2013 04:09 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 03:57 codonbyte wrote:To be honest I don't see this having any real effect on how much treatment patients get for obesity. Doctors already know that being obese is unhealthy, and I'm pretty sure most people who are fat already know it's unhealthy but are unable to lose weight for one reason or another (self-discipline, succumbing to temptation, slower metabolism, etc.). I don't see how classifying obesity as a disease is going to deal with any of those issues. On June 21 2013 03:45 Lycaeus wrote:
"It's not my fault I'm fat, I have a DISEASE" Yes, I know we all love to call out fat people for their often-times poor eating habits and lack of self-discipline. However, I don't think that's really all that fair. Sure, having a lack of self discipline may be what ultimately causes obesity many times, however genetics determines how much any individual person is punished for a lack of self-discipline. I'll use myself as an example. I was blessed with a ridonkulously fast metabolism. I have never had to worry about my weight, no matter how poor my eating habits. I'll often eat an entire box of oreos or 2 (big) bags of jelly beans after a long day of work. Last night I ate an entire gallon of ice cream. Yet I am never punished for these poor eating habits in the slightest, simply because of my genes, while some other person with poor eating habits may be getting obese, even if their eating habits are better than mine (not great, but still better than mine). I suspect that a lot of skinny people are thin for the same reason that I am: genetics. And therefore it's never quite sat right with me to go around labeling fat people as being lazy and having no self-control. How old are you? When I was 17 I could eat an entire pizza and a chipotle burrito bowl for lunch and not gain a pound. That's not genetics, that's just puberty. I can't do that anymore  And also, I am probably going to reiterate this in most of my posts in the thread, just because it's a disease doesn't absolve the patient of responsibility. If you want to cure any disease you're responsible for taking your medicine or changing your habits. Doctors will recommend diet and exercise and it is the patient's responsibility to follow through. Even appetite suppressants require dieting and discipline, they're just supplements to an existing change in behavior. Classifying obesity as a disease doesn't give fat people a free pass to just keep being fat.
I am 27 and I can still eat whatever and not gain weight. As long as I don't overstuff myself. I eat until I am content then stop. I am fairly certain most people would maintain their weight if they do this. Problem is, there are lots of things that make people eat when they aren't really hungry. Then there are also other things that happen inside the body which effects weight too. Example: My dad was like 130lb and 6' tall when he was 25ish, but he had a thyroid problem that went unchecked and he gained a lot of weight over a few years.
On June 21 2013 03:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:
It's fast food restaurants and how our lives have become completely intertwined with them.
Fast food isn't so bad that it would cause mass obesity. It is overeating. It is unhealthy, sure... but not necessarily gigantic weight gain material.
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On June 21 2013 04:38 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:33 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:09 Littlesheep wrote:On June 21 2013 04:06 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:03 iamahydralisk wrote:On June 21 2013 03:56 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:52 Stress wrote:
To me a disease is something that is out of your control, such as huntington's or parkinson's, and in the case of being obese if you have a glandular disorder. The vast majority of obese people have no glandular disorder, they are obese because of lifestyle choices. This is just watering down the subject since every year it seems more and more people are becoming overweight due to a lack of care and self-control. I'm going to have to agree here. It's a mental condition if anything. I had experience with this, and it really is nothing more than that. You know you shouldn't eat that food. You know it's bad for you. You know if you don't eat it you'll be under your caloric intake for that day and you'll be on the right track but your brain just fucking forces you man. It's honestly a terrible experience, and a lot of physically fit people who've never had to deal with being obese/overweight will never understand that. It takes an incredible amount of mental fortitude to lose weight because for the first couple of weeks it genuinely feels like you are starving yourself even if you're still taking in 3000 calories per day and your body becomes so accustomed to it you start to freaking break down at times.I don't know how they got to the conclusion that this is a disease, but anything to provide more awareness is good in my book as far as I'm concerned though. Basically everyone who's ever dieted or changed the way they eat (a lifestyle change, not necessarily a diet) has experienced the part of your post that I bolded. Maybe not to the point that obese people do (hard to say), but the point I'm trying to make is, almost everyone has experienced that feeling at one point in time or another, and that perhaps a lot of physically fit people have the most willpower of all because they manage to stay fit. Just food for thought. Oh I understand this. My brother started on the opposite side of the spectrum from me. He was skinny as fuck and worked his way up to getting pretty damn fit. I can tell you this much having been on both a cut and a bulk plenty of times, eating more and working out is much, MUCH easier than eating less and working out. They're both difficult and mentally excruciating but man. I don't believe that putting the cake down is harder than shoving it down your throat when you're not hungry, day after day. Ive had to force myself to gain weight while working out and its one of the hardest things in the world, fat people are just lazy and will make anything seem hard. Maybe fat people ARE hungry? Also, cake tastes good, man (unless it has coconut in the frosting, bleeegh). If you've had to force yourself to gain weight, then you probably have a really fast metabolism, which makes it easy for you to stay thin. Not everyone has a metabolism that is that fast, and may have to work just as hard to lose weight as you work to gain weight (or harder, even). You're repeating the same tired argument over and over again. No it's not fair that some people have to work harder to lose weight, but that's the way life works. Reality does not account for how hard it is for you to do something, and obese people shouldn't be absolved of any responsibility to get better because it's "hard."
And society is there to help people who have it harder 
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On June 21 2013 04:31 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +"Recognizing obesity as a disease will help change the way the medical community tackles this complex issue that affects approximately 1 in 3 Americans," said Dr. Patrice Harris, an AMA board member. Is there no end to the weasel words in articles like this? The medical community isn't smart enough to tackle the complex issue unless it's officially voted on by a select few? Chock it up to sound bite culture. Show nested quote +"The greater urgency a disease label confers" also might boost support for obesity-prevention programs such as physical education initiatives and reforms to school lunch, the council added. In addition, it speculated that "employers may be required to cover obesity treatments for their employees and may be less able to discriminate on the basis of body weight." What a dangerous reality for employers and hiring. They've already seen insurance policies begin their PPACA rise (estimated in my state to be 42% to 61% by 2014). Imagine where the increased costs for treating the chunky will end up.
Have you ever tried, in a medical capacity, to convince someone that they should lose weight? He is completely correct that having obesity labeled as a disease will change the way the medical community tackle this. Being told you are so fat that you are straight up sick and if untreated you will die early tends to help getting through to people. People are weird like that.
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On June 21 2013 04:35 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:06 Littlesheep wrote:
Fat people are disgusting, stop eating so much you slobs.
User was warned for this post warned only wth
Probably a first offense. He has under 100 posts so they probably assumed that he didn't know how things work here and decided to give him a chance to correct his behavior.
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Wow. Surprised they didn't just stick with metabolic syndrome, most obese patients have either metabolic syndrome or are one risk factor away.
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On June 21 2013 04:40 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:36 Dosey wrote:On June 21 2013 03:57 codonbyte wrote:To be honest I don't see this having any real effect on how much treatment patients get for obesity. Doctors already know that being obese is unhealthy, and I'm pretty sure most people who are fat already know it's unhealthy but are unable to lose weight for one reason or another (self-discipline, succumbing to temptation, slower metabolism, etc.). I don't see how classifying obesity as a disease is going to deal with any of those issues. On June 21 2013 03:45 Lycaeus wrote:
"It's not my fault I'm fat, I have a DISEASE" Yes, I know we all love to call out fat people for their often-times poor eating habits and lack of self-discipline. However, I don't think that's really all that fair. Sure, having a lack of self discipline may be what ultimately causes obesity many times, however genetics determines how much any individual person is punished for a lack of self-discipline. I'll use myself as an example. I was blessed with a ridonkulously fast metabolism. I have never had to worry about my weight, no matter how poor my eating habits. I'll often eat an entire box of oreos or 2 (big) bags of jelly beans after a long day of work. Last night I ate an entire gallon of ice cream. Yet I am never punished for these poor eating habits in the slightest, simply because of my genes, while some other person with poor eating habits may be getting obese, even if their eating habits are better than mine (not great, but still better than mine). I suspect that a lot of skinny people are thin for the same reason that I am: genetics. And therefore it's never quite sat right with me to go around labeling fat people as being lazy and having no self-control. Edit: With that rant out of the way I would like to say that I think this decision is ridiculous because it's confusing the causes with their symptoms (i.e. a obesity is a symptom of something, either poor lifestyle or a medical condition, etc.). I made another post in this thread that goes into that more. See, I disagree. I used to be like you when I was younger. I've never had to exhibit self-control or practice moderation while eating and never learned how to. When I hit the age of 22 or so my metabolism started slowing down and my poor eating/health habits started catching up with me. Gas station food for lunch every day, a doughnut for breakfast every morning, a pack of cigarettes a day, pizza on Fridays and binge drinking on the weekends. This went on for a LONG time and I went from weighing 145-150lbs from 10th grade all the way til 21 to now weighing 200-220lbs. Then one day I decided to lose the weight because I thought I looked disgusting. I quit smoking and drinking and started eating healthy while also working out. It's now two years later and I weigh 160-165lbs and am in the best shape of my life. One could argue that it would be much harder for me, someone who had spent a lifetime of suffering no consequences from his eating habits, to begin practicing moderation. As opposed to someone who has been (allegedly) attempting to practice moderation for a while. Their problem is that they are COMFORTABLE, they have nothing driving them to put down that doughnut and now they even have an EXCUSE not to. It's pathetic if you ask me. Oh nooooes!! I'm 21 right now!! Don't tell me that my life of eating whatever the hell I want and never having any consequences for my actions is about to end!! D: I turn 22 in september. I MUST make the most of these last few months of unlimited consumption of crappy food and candy and ice cream!!! *runs off to buy a couple gallons of ice cream and a few kilograms of jelly beans*
25 here, I can still eat whatever and stay very slim. Right now I can't exercice, I'm eating a lot (healthy, mind you, but still lots of meat/eggs/nuts, and it's a recent habit, like only 2 weeks), I drink one or 2 beer a day, and I'm actually losing weight. 110 lbs right now for an average height.
And it's annoying to be honest.
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On June 21 2013 04:40 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:36 Dosey wrote:On June 21 2013 03:57 codonbyte wrote:To be honest I don't see this having any real effect on how much treatment patients get for obesity. Doctors already know that being obese is unhealthy, and I'm pretty sure most people who are fat already know it's unhealthy but are unable to lose weight for one reason or another (self-discipline, succumbing to temptation, slower metabolism, etc.). I don't see how classifying obesity as a disease is going to deal with any of those issues. On June 21 2013 03:45 Lycaeus wrote:
"It's not my fault I'm fat, I have a DISEASE" Yes, I know we all love to call out fat people for their often-times poor eating habits and lack of self-discipline. However, I don't think that's really all that fair. Sure, having a lack of self discipline may be what ultimately causes obesity many times, however genetics determines how much any individual person is punished for a lack of self-discipline. I'll use myself as an example. I was blessed with a ridonkulously fast metabolism. I have never had to worry about my weight, no matter how poor my eating habits. I'll often eat an entire box of oreos or 2 (big) bags of jelly beans after a long day of work. Last night I ate an entire gallon of ice cream. Yet I am never punished for these poor eating habits in the slightest, simply because of my genes, while some other person with poor eating habits may be getting obese, even if their eating habits are better than mine (not great, but still better than mine). I suspect that a lot of skinny people are thin for the same reason that I am: genetics. And therefore it's never quite sat right with me to go around labeling fat people as being lazy and having no self-control. Edit: With that rant out of the way I would like to say that I think this decision is ridiculous because it's confusing the causes with their symptoms (i.e. a obesity is a symptom of something, either poor lifestyle or a medical condition, etc.). I made another post in this thread that goes into that more. See, I disagree. I used to be like you when I was younger. I've never had to exhibit self-control or practice moderation while eating and never learned how to. When I hit the age of 22 or so my metabolism started slowing down and my poor eating/health habits started catching up with me. Gas station food for lunch every day, a doughnut for breakfast every morning, a pack of cigarettes a day, pizza on Fridays and binge drinking on the weekends. This went on for a LONG time and I went from weighing 145-150lbs from 10th grade all the way til 21 to now weighing 200-220lbs. Then one day I decided to lose the weight because I thought I looked disgusting. I quit smoking and drinking and started eating healthy while also working out. It's now two years later and I weigh 160-165lbs and am in the best shape of my life. One could argue that it would be much harder for me, someone who had spent a lifetime of suffering no consequences from his eating habits, to begin practicing moderation. As opposed to someone who has been (allegedly) attempting to practice moderation for a while. Their problem is that they are COMFORTABLE, they have nothing driving them to put down that doughnut and now they even have an EXCUSE not to. It's pathetic if you ask me. Oh nooooes!! I'm 21 right now!! Don't tell me that my life of eating whatever the hell I want and never having any consequences for my actions is about to end!! D: I turn 22 in september. I MUST make the most of these last few months of unlimited consumption of crappy food and candy and ice cream!!! *runs off to buy a couple gallons of ice cream and a few kilograms of jelly beans*
Well... to be fair, I was consuming A LOT. Probably about $150-200 a week on gas station food/fast food. Mozzarella sticks, chicken tenders, two snack wraps, and a giant redbull was my lunch every day. Then two hours later I was at burger king getting two double whoppers and a coke. This went on for about a year and a half or so. It was like I was attempting my own version of Super-Size Me.
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On June 21 2013 04:48 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:40 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:36 Dosey wrote:On June 21 2013 03:57 codonbyte wrote:To be honest I don't see this having any real effect on how much treatment patients get for obesity. Doctors already know that being obese is unhealthy, and I'm pretty sure most people who are fat already know it's unhealthy but are unable to lose weight for one reason or another (self-discipline, succumbing to temptation, slower metabolism, etc.). I don't see how classifying obesity as a disease is going to deal with any of those issues. On June 21 2013 03:45 Lycaeus wrote:
"It's not my fault I'm fat, I have a DISEASE" Yes, I know we all love to call out fat people for their often-times poor eating habits and lack of self-discipline. However, I don't think that's really all that fair. Sure, having a lack of self discipline may be what ultimately causes obesity many times, however genetics determines how much any individual person is punished for a lack of self-discipline. I'll use myself as an example. I was blessed with a ridonkulously fast metabolism. I have never had to worry about my weight, no matter how poor my eating habits. I'll often eat an entire box of oreos or 2 (big) bags of jelly beans after a long day of work. Last night I ate an entire gallon of ice cream. Yet I am never punished for these poor eating habits in the slightest, simply because of my genes, while some other person with poor eating habits may be getting obese, even if their eating habits are better than mine (not great, but still better than mine). I suspect that a lot of skinny people are thin for the same reason that I am: genetics. And therefore it's never quite sat right with me to go around labeling fat people as being lazy and having no self-control. Edit: With that rant out of the way I would like to say that I think this decision is ridiculous because it's confusing the causes with their symptoms (i.e. a obesity is a symptom of something, either poor lifestyle or a medical condition, etc.). I made another post in this thread that goes into that more. See, I disagree. I used to be like you when I was younger. I've never had to exhibit self-control or practice moderation while eating and never learned how to. When I hit the age of 22 or so my metabolism started slowing down and my poor eating/health habits started catching up with me. Gas station food for lunch every day, a doughnut for breakfast every morning, a pack of cigarettes a day, pizza on Fridays and binge drinking on the weekends. This went on for a LONG time and I went from weighing 145-150lbs from 10th grade all the way til 21 to now weighing 200-220lbs. Then one day I decided to lose the weight because I thought I looked disgusting. I quit smoking and drinking and started eating healthy while also working out. It's now two years later and I weigh 160-165lbs and am in the best shape of my life. One could argue that it would be much harder for me, someone who had spent a lifetime of suffering no consequences from his eating habits, to begin practicing moderation. As opposed to someone who has been (allegedly) attempting to practice moderation for a while. Their problem is that they are COMFORTABLE, they have nothing driving them to put down that doughnut and now they even have an EXCUSE not to. It's pathetic if you ask me. Oh nooooes!! I'm 21 right now!! Don't tell me that my life of eating whatever the hell I want and never having any consequences for my actions is about to end!! D: I turn 22 in september. I MUST make the most of these last few months of unlimited consumption of crappy food and candy and ice cream!!! *runs off to buy a couple gallons of ice cream and a few kilograms of jelly beans* Well... to be fair, I was consuming A LOT. Probably about $150-200 a week on gas station food/fast food. Mozzarella sticks, chicken tenders, two snack wraps, and a giant redbull was my lunch every day. Then two hours later I was at burger king getting two double whoppers and a coke. This went on for about a year and a half or so. It was like I was attempting my own version of Super-Size Me.
lol yes, the Burger King version of Supersize Me. It figures that they'd want to have their own version, to give them publicity.
Okay, that makes me feel a bit better. I'm more worried that I'll get diabetes than that I'll get obese, because you can get diabetes from eating a lot of sugar even if you aren't overweight.
My eating habits are just really irregular. I take adderall (for ADHD) and it fucks with my apetite a lot, making me forego food for a long time and then suddenly eat a whole bunch.
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On June 21 2013 04:46 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Wow. Surprised they didn't just stick with metabolic syndrome, most obese patients have either metabolic syndrome or are one risk factor away.
No. Most obese people have a problem with a shitty lifestyle coupled with eating too much. These would be solved by literally 20 minutes of activity a day along with eating less.
My current GF's mom has lupus as well as hyperthyroidism and is overweight. She used to be a paramedic, now she can barely stand up on days because of the pain. She doesn't eat for shit yet it looks like that's all she does. These rare cases exist but far too many claim their obesity is something out of their control.
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The world we live in is a ridiculous place..
This must be a national epidemic if 1 in 3 people in the country are "diseased". The simpler(and less phony) explanation is that the FOOD americans eat is obese and people are not active enough to balance it(and probably also eat too much of it), not that all of these people have contracted a fatness plague. You can argue the genetics side of it, but judging that the "disease rate" has climbed over time coincidentally with the proliferation of hilariously unhealthy food suggests a bit of undeniable causation.
What a fucking joke; this makes it pretty difficult to take anything said by the AMA seriously.
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On June 21 2013 04:49 PassiveAce wrote:
That was a very passive argument you made. Couldn't have said it better myself
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