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On June 21 2013 04:13 Littlesheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:12 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:05 Zaqwe wrote:On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. Being fat reveals a lot of character flaws. I bet if you stopped showering people would also treat you differently. Yes, but it's unfair because it is far easier for some people to remain skinny than for others, due to genetics. I'm not saying being fat is CAUSED by genetics, but genetics do set the "self discipline" requirement that you have to reach to remain skinny. As I said in another post, I was lucky enough to receive genetics that set my "self discipline" requirement to basically zero: I have the worst eating habits ever and I never ever seem to gain any weight. So why is it fair that I'm able to have poor self-discipline and not get judged on it, while some other guy with a similar amount of self-discipline (or lack thereof) gets judged and discriminated against for it? Being fat and not doing anything about it is a sign you don't have any respect for yourself, if you don't respect yourself why should others?
Why all the hate on fat people? How exactly are they hurting you?
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On June 21 2013 04:12 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:05 Zaqwe wrote:On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. Being fat reveals a lot of character flaws. I bet if you stopped showering people would also treat you differently. Yes, but it's unfair because it is far easier for some people to remain skinny than for others, due to genetics. I'm not saying being fat is CAUSED by genetics, but genetics do set the "self discipline" requirement that you have to reach to remain skinny. As I said in another post, I was lucky enough to receive genetics that set my "self discipline" requirement to basically zero: I have the worst eating habits ever and I never ever seem to gain any weight. So why is it fair that I'm able to have poor self-discipline and not get judged on it, while some other guy with a similar amount of self-discipline (or lack thereof) gets judged and discriminated against for it?
You seem to have this notion that the world needs to be fair. It isn't, by any stretch of the imagination. Some people may need to work harder to stay in shape than others. That's the way the human body works, but it doesn't absolve them of that responsibility. In general, the reason it is so hard for a person to lose weight is BECAUSE they are so obese, either because they have so many more pounds to lose, or because physical activity is difficult. And it's not a physical obstacle, because those things are still easily doable as long as you don't overexert yourself and commit to a program, it's the mental obstacle. Obese people don't want to get off the couch and go exercise because they know if they want to make any measurable progress it will be a long, hard road, much harder than someone who just wants to lose 5-10 lbs to stay trim. But they got themselves into that situation, so it's really no excuse to complain about how hard it is to get out of it.
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On June 21 2013 04:12 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:05 Zaqwe wrote:On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. Being fat reveals a lot of character flaws. I bet if you stopped showering people would also treat you differently. Yes, but it's unfair because it is far easier for some people to remain skinny than for others, due to genetics. I'm not saying being fat is CAUSED by genetics, but genetics do set the "self discipline" requirement that you have to reach to remain skinny. As I said in another post, I was lucky enough to receive genetics that set my "self discipline" requirement to basically zero: I have the worst eating habits ever and I never ever seem to gain any weight. So why is it fair that I'm able to have poor self-discipline and not get judged on it, while some other guy with a similar amount of self-discipline (or lack thereof) gets judged and discriminated against for it?
Just throwing it out there... Bad eating habit may not make you fat, but it probably will have consequences in a way or another. Take care of your body man.
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On June 21 2013 04:16 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:13 Littlesheep wrote:On June 21 2013 04:12 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:05 Zaqwe wrote:On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. Being fat reveals a lot of character flaws. I bet if you stopped showering people would also treat you differently. Yes, but it's unfair because it is far easier for some people to remain skinny than for others, due to genetics. I'm not saying being fat is CAUSED by genetics, but genetics do set the "self discipline" requirement that you have to reach to remain skinny. As I said in another post, I was lucky enough to receive genetics that set my "self discipline" requirement to basically zero: I have the worst eating habits ever and I never ever seem to gain any weight. So why is it fair that I'm able to have poor self-discipline and not get judged on it, while some other guy with a similar amount of self-discipline (or lack thereof) gets judged and discriminated against for it? Being fat and not doing anything about it is a sign you don't have any respect for yourself, if you don't respect yourself why should others? Why all the hate on fat people? How exactly are they hurting you?
Aside from the obvious, superficial explanation in that overweight individuals are unappealing to look at, I would go with the slippery slope argument that classifying obesity as a disease means that public healthcare funds will go to treating a disease that people inflicted on themselves by being irresponsible. People have the same feelings towards drug abuse in that regard.
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On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. I can confirm this is true, at least for me. I started a job a year ago and in December decided enough was enough and lost 55 pounds (I went from 220 to 165, and I am quite muscular too now. It was so much work but it is definitely worth it) and I get treated completely differently now, especially by people in other departments who don't know me personally. People used to be kinda condescending towards me but now I get treated with a great deal more respect. I was kinda shocked at first how big of a difference it was.
Edit: On topic, I do think this ruling may be problematic and will be abused. People who are obese by choice (it is choice no matter how much they argue that it isn't their fault. I have learned this first hand. I used to claim that being depressed or too stressed made me pudgy, but after losing all that weight I realized I was just making excuses) should not be given the same support as those who cannot help it (genetics, illness, etc.).
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On June 21 2013 04:16 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:13 Littlesheep wrote:On June 21 2013 04:12 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:05 Zaqwe wrote:On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. Being fat reveals a lot of character flaws. I bet if you stopped showering people would also treat you differently. Yes, but it's unfair because it is far easier for some people to remain skinny than for others, due to genetics. I'm not saying being fat is CAUSED by genetics, but genetics do set the "self discipline" requirement that you have to reach to remain skinny. As I said in another post, I was lucky enough to receive genetics that set my "self discipline" requirement to basically zero: I have the worst eating habits ever and I never ever seem to gain any weight. So why is it fair that I'm able to have poor self-discipline and not get judged on it, while some other guy with a similar amount of self-discipline (or lack thereof) gets judged and discriminated against for it? Being fat and not doing anything about it is a sign you don't have any respect for yourself, if you don't respect yourself why should others? Why all the hate on fat people? How exactly are they hurting you?
In Canada all our tax money goes into healthcare to help all the health problems fat people get for being fat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity#Effects_on_health
Plus from an aesthetic standpoint, I don't like to see them.
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On June 21 2013 04:04 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 03:59 Kinky wrote:On June 21 2013 03:56 Kazius wrote:
There are proper medical conditions that cause obesity. Those should be treated as diseases.
There are psychological conditions that cause obesity. Those should be treated as mental illness.
This mocks both of those. Obesity is a symptom, in which case this is an unneeded definition, or a choice, which makes a farce of people with actual problems. Exactly my thoughts on it. Suddenly all the people who are obese because of bad lifestyle choices are grouped with people who can't control their obesity. Everyone can control their obesity. It's simply a matter of caloric intake.
Physically: Hypothyroidism can be treated with hormone treatment. Cushing's Syndrome requires use of steroids for treatment. Both of those cause obesity, and in order to not gain weight with these conditions, you feel like you are constantly starving.
Psychologically: Depression may cause people to eat more. A rather common side-effect of antidepressants, anti-psychotics, and a few others drugs used to treat psychological conditions is weight gain. There is such a thing as eating disorders as well.
These are all valid medical considerations, and can be treated.
Anorexia can be treated by eating more. Bulimia can be treated by not puking. Obesity can be treated by not being a lazy gluttonous fatass. The condescension towards people with psychological problems causing them to gain weight as opposed to losing weight is the massive bias people have in favor of skinny people over fat people.
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On June 21 2013 04:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
This is just weird to me.. I mean obesity is such a person to person thing I don't see how to distinguish the disease from being jsut being lazy and eating entirely too much food all the damn time.
Lots of people are fat purely from genetics, but equally lots of people are fat because they are legit lazy as fuck and eat like 3 big macs a day, and on the opposite side they are people who are skinny from pure genetics. I don't like labelling it a disease because it gives people who just want to eat and be lazy fucks an excuse, I know that's unfair to the people who are actual obese to due genetics a little but if I were to give an estimate I'd say only 1 out of every 5 obese people are obese due to genes.
Also afaik obesity isn't a disease anyway it would be genetics no? I mean it's not like a virus or bacteria or anything that makes you fat it's your genetics? I'm not an expert or anything so I'm more asking about this!
I don't like labeling it as a disease either. You can not label it as a disease without being unfair to people who are actually obese due to medical issues. The way you do that is you label the thing that is actually causing the obesity as a disease, and look at the obesity as a symptom of the disease.
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On June 21 2013 04:17 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:12 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:05 Zaqwe wrote:On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. Being fat reveals a lot of character flaws. I bet if you stopped showering people would also treat you differently. Yes, but it's unfair because it is far easier for some people to remain skinny than for others, due to genetics. I'm not saying being fat is CAUSED by genetics, but genetics do set the "self discipline" requirement that you have to reach to remain skinny. As I said in another post, I was lucky enough to receive genetics that set my "self discipline" requirement to basically zero: I have the worst eating habits ever and I never ever seem to gain any weight. So why is it fair that I'm able to have poor self-discipline and not get judged on it, while some other guy with a similar amount of self-discipline (or lack thereof) gets judged and discriminated against for it? You seem to have this notion that the world needs to be fair. It isn't, by any stretch of the imagination. Some people may need to work harder to stay in shape than others. That's the way the human body works, but it doesn't absolve them of that responsibility. In general, the reason it is so hard for a person to lose weight is BECAUSE they are so obese, either because they have so many more pounds to lose, or because physical activity is difficult. And it's not a physical obstacle, because those things are still easily doable as long as you don't overexert yourself and commit to a program, it's the mental obstacle. Obese people don't want to get off the couch and go exercise because they know if they want to make any measurable progress it will be a long, hard road, much harder than someone who just wants to lose 5-10 lbs to stay trim. But they got themselves into that situation, so it's really no excuse to complain about how hard it is to get out of it.
To be fair, obesity does come alongside physical obstacles as well as mental ones. Wear and tear on joints is one of the most difficult things for the obese to work around in search of a productive workout schedule, and this is part of the reason why diet control is more important than exercise, particularly in the beginning. Getting off those first few pounds before starting up on a bunch of running or push ups can save elbows and knees a lot of pain and potentially progress halting injury.
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On June 21 2013 04:19 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. I can confirm this is true, at least for me. I started a job a year ago and in December decided enough was enough and lost 55 pounds (I went from 220 to 165, and I am quite muscular too now. It was so much work but it is definitely worth it) and I get treated completely differently now, especially by people in other departments who don't know me personally. People used to be kinda condescending towards me but now I get treated with a great deal more respect. I was kinda shocked at first how big of a difference it was.
Goodjob, that's a lot of ass you lost lol
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On June 21 2013 04:14 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:11 ZasZ. wrote:On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. And that's completely understandable. Being obese doesn't inherently make you incompetent at your job, assuming it's not physical labor, but if I'm interviewing two individuals who look the same on paper but one is obese and one isn't, I can infer that the obese individual doesn't take care of his body and may have health issues. I'm making a long-term investment in this employee, why would I go with him over the other guy? It shouldn't be the sole factor in a hiring decision, that would be silly, but people would be lying if they told you it wasn't a factor like everything else you notice about the person, i.e. hygiene, dress, eye contact, level of comfort, vocabulary, eloquence, etc. Or maybe the skinny person just has a metabolism that burns up absolutely everything they eat at lightning speed, while the fat person has an inferior metabolism that actually punishes them for their poor lifestyle choices.
Life isn't fair. The thin guy got a lucky metabolism, and the fat guy needs to work harder to stay in shape. Sometimes that's how the cookie crumbles.
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So let me see. Doctors will get richer from this. Pharmaceutical companies will get richer from this. Fast Food industries get a pass. FDA will get a pass. Food content law makers will get a pass. Standard procedure in the United States. All is well and normal.
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On June 21 2013 04:19 Littlesheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:16 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:13 Littlesheep wrote:On June 21 2013 04:12 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:05 Zaqwe wrote:On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. Being fat reveals a lot of character flaws. I bet if you stopped showering people would also treat you differently. Yes, but it's unfair because it is far easier for some people to remain skinny than for others, due to genetics. I'm not saying being fat is CAUSED by genetics, but genetics do set the "self discipline" requirement that you have to reach to remain skinny. As I said in another post, I was lucky enough to receive genetics that set my "self discipline" requirement to basically zero: I have the worst eating habits ever and I never ever seem to gain any weight. So why is it fair that I'm able to have poor self-discipline and not get judged on it, while some other guy with a similar amount of self-discipline (or lack thereof) gets judged and discriminated against for it? Being fat and not doing anything about it is a sign you don't have any respect for yourself, if you don't respect yourself why should others? Why all the hate on fat people? How exactly are they hurting you? In Canada all our tax money goes into healthcare to help all the health problems fat people get for being fat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity#Effects_on_healthPlus from an aesthetic standpoint, I don't like to see them.
If you don't like the way the Canadian medical system is using your tax dollars, maybe you should be calling out the canadian medical system, rather than calling out fat people.
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On June 21 2013 04:19 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. I can confirm this is true, at least for me. I started a job a year ago and in December decided enough was enough and lost 55 pounds (I went from 220 to 165, and I am quite muscular too now. It was so much work but it is definitely worth it) and I get treated completely differently now, especially by people in other departments who don't know me personally. People used to be kinda condescending towards me but now I get treated with a great deal more respect. I was kinda shocked at first how big of a difference it was. Edit: On topic, I do think this ruling may be problematic and will be abused. People who are obese by choice (it is choice no matter how much they argue that it isn't their fault. I have learned this first hand) should not be given the same support as those who cannot help it (genetics, illness, etc.).
Fistbump!! Good job, man!! Congrats :D
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On June 21 2013 04:07 MstrSplntr wrote:
Better go to the gym before I get sick!
Interestingly enough, that's exactly what fat people should do <_<
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On June 21 2013 04:13 Littlesheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:12 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:05 Zaqwe wrote:On June 21 2013 04:02 codonbyte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:46 farvacola wrote:
This opens up a whole new can of worms insofar as discriminatory hiring practices and obesity are concerned. I'm curious where overweight people are being discriminated against in the workforce? Not trying to be condescending, I've honestly never heard of this being a thing. I can confirm this. I have an uncle who became obese over a period of about a year, and then went on a big diet and managed to lose all the weight. When he became lean again, he said it was remarkable how differently people treat you when you're overweight. He's had the same job through all of it so he didn't experience hiring practices during the ordeal, but he did experience how society in general treats fat people differently. Being fat reveals a lot of character flaws. I bet if you stopped showering people would also treat you differently. Yes, but it's unfair because it is far easier for some people to remain skinny than for others, due to genetics. I'm not saying being fat is CAUSED by genetics, but genetics do set the "self discipline" requirement that you have to reach to remain skinny. As I said in another post, I was lucky enough to receive genetics that set my "self discipline" requirement to basically zero: I have the worst eating habits ever and I never ever seem to gain any weight. So why is it fair that I'm able to have poor self-discipline and not get judged on it, while some other guy with a similar amount of self-discipline (or lack thereof) gets judged and discriminated against for it? Being fat and not doing anything about it is a sign you don't have any respect for yourself, if you don't respect yourself why should others?
Maybe people are comfortable with the way they are? That's never an option to some people it seems ...
Perhaps you're not everyones cup of tea either? "I don't like to see them." Just that statement makes my skin crawl because of how petulant you sound.
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On June 21 2013 04:23 ladytr0n wrote:
So let me see. Doctors will get richer from this. Pharmaceutical companies will get richer from this. Fast Food industries get a pass. FDA will get a pass. Food content law makers will get a pass. Standard procedure in the United States. All is well and normal.
Doctors are already treating obese people so, no they won't get richer. Pharmaceutical companies might see marginal gains from an increase in appetite suppressant drugs but those prescriptions are triplicate class drugs. Doctors don't like to prescribe them, they're kinda dangerous (especially to someone with heart problems like obese people are more likely to have) and they don't work without an accompanying change in behavior. So there won't be a massive spike in those sales.
How will the FDA get a pass? They've been screaming at us for years to eat better. Food content law makers and producers have also been screaming at us to eat better. McDonald's freaking puts the calories of their food on the damn wrapper! Everytime they release a new healthy option, no one orders it. The fact that your combo meal is 1800 calories is RIGHT ON THE DAMN WRAPPER and people still keep ordering it. It's really not McDonald's fault at this point.
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On June 21 2013 04:09 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 03:57 codonbyte wrote:To be honest I don't see this having any real effect on how much treatment patients get for obesity. Doctors already know that being obese is unhealthy, and I'm pretty sure most people who are fat already know it's unhealthy but are unable to lose weight for one reason or another (self-discipline, succumbing to temptation, slower metabolism, etc.). I don't see how classifying obesity as a disease is going to deal with any of those issues. On June 21 2013 03:45 Lycaeus wrote:
"It's not my fault I'm fat, I have a DISEASE" Yes, I know we all love to call out fat people for their often-times poor eating habits and lack of self-discipline. However, I don't think that's really all that fair. Sure, having a lack of self discipline may be what ultimately causes obesity many times, however genetics determines how much any individual person is punished for a lack of self-discipline. I'll use myself as an example. I was blessed with a ridonkulously fast metabolism. I have never had to worry about my weight, no matter how poor my eating habits. I'll often eat an entire box of oreos or 2 (big) bags of jelly beans after a long day of work. Last night I ate an entire gallon of ice cream. Yet I am never punished for these poor eating habits in the slightest, simply because of my genes, while some other person with poor eating habits may be getting obese, even if their eating habits are better than mine (not great, but still better than mine). I suspect that a lot of skinny people are thin for the same reason that I am: genetics. And therefore it's never quite sat right with me to go around labeling fat people as being lazy and having no self-control. How old are you? When I was 17 I could eat an entire pizza and a chipotle burrito bowl for lunch and not gain a pound. That's not genetics, that's just puberty. I can't do that anymore  And also, I am probably going to reiterate this in most of my posts in the thread, just because it's a disease doesn't absolve the patient of responsibility. If you want to cure any disease you're responsible for taking your medicine or changing your habits. Doctors will recommend diet and exercise and it is the patient's responsibility to follow through. Even appetite suppressants require dieting and discipline, they're just supplements to an existing change in behavior. Classifying obesity as a disease doesn't give fat people a free pass to just keep being fat.
I'm 21, but my dad is the same way (he eats healthy, but he didn't always and he never had to worry about his weight).
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"Recognizing obesity as a disease will help change the way the medical community tackles this complex issue that affects approximately 1 in 3 Americans," said Dr. Patrice Harris, an AMA board member.
Is there no end to the weasel words in articles like this? The medical community isn't smart enough to tackle the complex issue unless it's officially voted on by a select few? Chock it up to sound bite culture.
"The greater urgency a disease label confers" also might boost support for obesity-prevention programs such as physical education initiatives and reforms to school lunch, the council added. In addition, it speculated that "employers may be required to cover obesity treatments for their employees and may be less able to discriminate on the basis of body weight."
What a dangerous reality for employers and hiring. They've already seen insurance policies begin their PPACA rise (estimated in my state to be 42% to 61% by 2014). Imagine where the increased costs for treating the chunky will end up.
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On June 21 2013 04:09 Littlesheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 04:06 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 04:03 iamahydralisk wrote:On June 21 2013 03:56 Fruscainte wrote:On June 21 2013 03:52 Stress wrote:
To me a disease is something that is out of your control, such as huntington's or parkinson's, and in the case of being obese if you have a glandular disorder. The vast majority of obese people have no glandular disorder, they are obese because of lifestyle choices. This is just watering down the subject since every year it seems more and more people are becoming overweight due to a lack of care and self-control. I'm going to have to agree here. It's a mental condition if anything. I had experience with this, and it really is nothing more than that. You know you shouldn't eat that food. You know it's bad for you. You know if you don't eat it you'll be under your caloric intake for that day and you'll be on the right track but your brain just fucking forces you man. It's honestly a terrible experience, and a lot of physically fit people who've never had to deal with being obese/overweight will never understand that. It takes an incredible amount of mental fortitude to lose weight because for the first couple of weeks it genuinely feels like you are starving yourself even if you're still taking in 3000 calories per day and your body becomes so accustomed to it you start to freaking break down at times.I don't know how they got to the conclusion that this is a disease, but anything to provide more awareness is good in my book as far as I'm concerned though. Basically everyone who's ever dieted or changed the way they eat (a lifestyle change, not necessarily a diet) has experienced the part of your post that I bolded. Maybe not to the point that obese people do (hard to say), but the point I'm trying to make is, almost everyone has experienced that feeling at one point in time or another, and that perhaps a lot of physically fit people have the most willpower of all because they manage to stay fit. Just food for thought. Oh I understand this. My brother started on the opposite side of the spectrum from me. He was skinny as fuck and worked his way up to getting pretty damn fit. I can tell you this much having been on both a cut and a bulk plenty of times, eating more and working out is much, MUCH easier than eating less and working out. They're both difficult and mentally excruciating but man. I don't believe that putting the cake down is harder than shoving it down your throat when you're not hungry, day after day. Ive had to force myself to gain weight while working out and its one of the hardest things in the world, fat people are just lazy and will make anything seem hard.
Maybe fat people ARE hungry? Also, cake tastes good, man (unless it has coconut in the frosting, bleeegh).
If you've had to force yourself to gain weight, then you probably have a really fast metabolism, which makes it easy for you to stay thin. Not everyone has a metabolism that is that fast, and may have to work just as hard to lose weight as you work to gain weight (or harder, even).
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