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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Person on first page from israel said it right, if annything it is a sympton and not a disease. Odd the medical society labels it as a disease, you would think that at least they would aply the correct terminology so that they could start the correct treatment. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:35 Audemed wrote: But that's the thing, you can't get rid of lung cancer by running 4 miles a day. Yeah, I'm a fattie and I smoke (although trying to quit, kinda), and I'm well aware what I have to do to lose it and keep it off, and frankly yes, I'd rather be inside playing Magic or LoL or what the fuck ever else I want to do then getting up and sweating my ass off. I did 5 years of that sort of shit in the Army and it bored me to death. Sure, I was down to 155 and could run 10 miles no problem, but it's far more enjoyable to be 220 and sitting on my ass. Yeah but u dont have like 450 lbs. Thats the thread topic here. | ||
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Fenris420
Sweden213 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:29 Mothra wrote: The parallels to smoking stick in my mind as well. Smoking is already intensely discouraged and regulated, and the lung cancer it causes is treated as a disease. I think cigarettes and shitty food are very similar in their addictive and health ruining effects. I wonder if they can or should be eradicated in the same manner. An interesting sidenote, smoking actually makes you less hungry. I have several friends who picked up smoking again because they would gain lots of weight upon quitting. I don't mind smokers. I don't mind people who do other drugs either. The reason I don't is because I forced myself to accept it. I would either have to scorn all substance abuse, and consequently scorn myself for drinking alcohol, or view choices of people as equally valid even if objectively bad. I also think that being negative toward people for being anything is less helpful than being positive to them trying to stop. Positive reinforcement and all that. A simple change of tone/wording would go a long way in my oppinon. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:35 Audemed wrote: But that's the thing, you can't get rid of lung cancer by running 4 miles a day. Yeah, I'm a fattie and I smoke (although trying to quit, kinda), and I'm well aware what I have to do to lose it and keep it off, and frankly yes, I'd rather be inside playing Magic or LoL or what the fuck ever else I want to do then getting up and sweating my ass off. I did 5 years of that sort of shit in the Army and it bored me to death. Sure, I was down to 155 and could run 10 miles no problem, but it's far more enjoyable to be 220 and sitting on my ass. So long as you're willing to deal with how other people will judge you for it, no problem here. On June 21 2013 05:40 NukeD wrote: Yeah but u dont have like 450 lbs. Thats the thread topic here. 220 lb is very close to obese for someone 6 ft tall. http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/assessing/bmi/adult_bmi/english_bmi_calculator/bmi_calculator.html | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:35 Mr. Nefarious wrote: I get really pissed when people say I'm "lucky" to have a high metabolism or good genetics. I played competitive ice hockey basically my entire life, watch what I eat carefully and hit the gym 4-5 times a week. I ration my meals to 560 calories per serving 5 times per day. I eat healthy foods. If you're fat; it's your decision, lack of self control or motivation. Anyone that pretends they couldn't have a killer beach body and feel great due to genetics is delusional. Being healthy is a lifestyle. You either chose to live it, put in the time and effort and have the body of your dreams and feel great due to consuming the correct type and amount of food, or you're a lazy human being that can't even put effort into the one thing that matters most, yourself. It also makes you an eyesore for the rest of us, makes it annoying for me to squeeze past your giant ass taking up an entire aisle and potentially even costs us money due to saving your fat ass from heart disease or the million other problems being overweight brings. TL;DR, Calling obesity a disease is like calling speeding a disease, it's a conscious choice just like anything else. Being healthy is a lifestyle decision, just like being fat is a lifestyle decision. Anyone that puts in a real effort to eat correctly, get a good amount of exercise and make their health a priority will see excellent results and be proud of how they look and feel. No, you're delusional. Having a "fantastic body" like you're talking about is NOT possible for a majority of people. Yes, being healthy is entirely possible for almost everyone, but that "perfect body" isn't. Also, many people ARE lucky to be born with a very high metabolism, even if people do (ignorantly) credit your great shape to metabolism and not your work. | ||
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TrollPolice
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:40 Fenris420 wrote: An interesting sidenote, smoking actually makes you less hungry. I have several friends who picked up smoking again because they would gain lots of weight upon quitting. I don't mind smokers. I don't mind people who do other drugs either. The reason I don't is because I forced myself to accept it. I would either have to scorn all substance abuse, and consequently scorn myself for drinking alcohol, or view choices of people as equally valid even if objectively bad. I also think that being negative toward people for being anything is less helpful than being positive to them trying to stop. Positive reinforcement and all that. A simple change of tone/wording would go a long way in my oppinon. Smoking actually had the opposite effect on me. I caused massive heartburn which made me eat more and more to try and find something to stifle the pain. Quitting smoking is actually what helped me lose weight. | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:40 NukeD wrote: Yeah but u dont have like 450 lbs. Thats the thread topic here. No it's not. "Obesity", as classified by these organizations, includes myself. It's because of that classification that obesity is an "epidemic". Despite the views of the 'murica haters, no, the US isn't filled with 70%+ 450lb behemoths. If you're 40lbs overweight, you get stuck with the "obese" tag, and become a statistic. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:39 Rassy wrote: What happend to "obesity is an epidemic, but its not a disease!" Person on first page from israel said it right, if annything it is a sympton and not a disease. Odd the medical society labels it as a disease, you would think that at least they would aply the correct terminology so that they could start the correct treatment. Keep in mind how much the community profits from selling drugs to treat diseases. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:43 Audemed wrote: No it's not. "Obesity", as classified by these organizations, includes myself. It's because of that classification that obesity is an "epidemic". Despite the views of the 'murica haters, no, the US isn't filled with 70%+ 450lb behemoths. If you're 40lbs overweight, you get stuck with the "obese" tag, and become a statistic. My english sucks more than I tought. I tought obese meant like really fat as 350+ lbs. | ||
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Mr. Nefarious
United States515 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:42 Stratos_speAr wrote: No, you're delusional. Having a "fantastic body" like you're talking about is NOT possible for a majority of people. Yes, being healthy is entirely possible for almost everyone, but that "perfect body" isn't. Also, many people ARE lucky to be born with a very high metabolism, even if people do (ignorantly) credit your great shape to metabolism and not your work. Metabolism is nice, but it's maybe 5% at most of what it takes to look great. I worked in a high end gym for many years when I was younger and saw a LOT of VERY overweight people completely change the way they looked. I saw countless people go from ~30%+ body fat to 12-18% and become wayyyyyyy more ripped than I am due to their dedication. People going from 280-330lbs down to 190-220 and looking and feeling great. Eating right and exercise under proper direction by professionals will achieve startling results every single time. There are very VERY few people who can't look DAMN good by even hollywood standards if you actually put in the work. No matter how you cut it, being overweight is a choice. I've seen the transformation in too many people with my own eyes too many times to think otherwise. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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nukeazerg
United States168 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:54 Mr. Nefarious wrote: Metabolism is nice, but it's maybe 5% at most of what it takes to look great. I worked in a high end gym for many years when I was younger and saw a LOT of VERY overweight people completely change the way they looked. I saw countless people go from ~30%+ body fat to 12-18% and become wayyyyyyy more ripped than I am due to their dedication. People going from 280-330lbs down to 190-220 and looking and feeling great. Eating right and exercise under proper direction by professionals will achieve startling results every single time. There are very VERY few people who can't look DAMN good by even hollywood standards if you actually put in the work. No matter how you cut it, being overweight is a choice. I've seen the transformation in too many people with my own eyes too many times to think otherwise. Everyone is capable of getting a run, but some people are born on third base. Others have to go through the effort of hitting a triple. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
If you consider obesity to be an eating adiction (for the majority of the people , thoose who have verry bad metabolism or other physical thing excluded off course) and consider an adiction to be a disease it makes kinda sense i guess. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 21 2013 05:59 LegalLord wrote: Everyone is capable of getting a run, but some people are born on third base. Others have to go through the effort of hitting a triple. Now now. They're not people that have to go through more effort. They're suffering from a disease. They need that great triple: a cure for their disease. | ||
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
the process was hard and at first your body gets headache from the lack of sugar (think desintoxication) but after 2 days i felt fuckin great , my body felt agile and my mind quick to react. of course this was planned along my nutrition consultant (she advised me to do it as its good for the liver) but the best thing i took from it is realising with how little you can make a day and how most of the things we eat have sugar in one way or another , and the one telling you this was a guy (me) who put like 3 spoons of sugar in every coffee. we eat to fill needs that we create to ourselves , its not that were hungry most of the time ; what most people with overweight needs is education about food and diet , and be willing to learn. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On June 21 2013 06:03 ROOTFayth wrote: is it a psychological disease? Obesity is not, but the eating disorders that can cause it are. If you are treating an eating disorder, you need psychoanalysis. If you're treating obesity, you need diet, exercise, and possibly psychoanalysis as well to get the other two under control. | ||
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