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On April 17 2012 16:58 Gummy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 16:55 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:48 Precipice wrote:On April 17 2012 16:46 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:36 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:30 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:24 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:20 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 16:11 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 15:13 Zerothegreat wrote:
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I would suspect people that had the desire to live would find it very hard. But those who don't want to live will find it pretty easy. If you really wanted to kill yourself there are so many easy methods to do so these days.
Edit: I was going to go into detail to answer your question on if I tried or not. But writing it and posting it here just feels "wrong." Going into those details make me feel disturbed. :O Ambiguous answer to the rhetorical question aside, the logistics of committing suicide successfully are reasonably complicated on a number of levels. Firstly, society is set up to keep us safe. We put fences around dangerous sites, we put voltage limits on domestic power supplies, we flag purchases of unusual volumes of medication, we have gun control (certain countries excepted). Significantly, there is also an immense amount of pressure to censor information that could make it easier for people to "harm themselves". There's an ongoing ideological battle in journalistic discourse about reporting suicides and if that encourages other people to attempt it. No one wants to be responsible for another person killing themselves, so even on the internet, it can be difficult to find the information that would help you in your plans. Secondly, we're culturally, and probably biologically, conditioned to keep ourselves alive. We look both ways before crossing the street, we put pressure on open wounds, etc. Reflexes and instincts are, almost by definition overwhelming, and difficult to subvert, particularly in moments of high stress. Thirdly, the human body is actually kind of a hard thing to kill, particularly when it's your own. Pain is a powerful motivator. Fear of pain is just as powerful, and people with suicidal ideation, being in pain, are desperate to not experience any more, but there are very, very few ways to kill yourself painlessly, and most methods of suicide, if failed, carry a high risk of living with more pain (mental, physical, social) or even disability. Well said. This is why whenever I hear someone say "suicide is easy" I figure they must not have seriously thought about it. And yet the number of suicides are very high. Especially in Japan as someone has mentioned earlier in the thread. You really want to play the numbers game? The "number of suicides is high" means what, exactly? High per capita? Compared to the number of attempted suicides? Compared to the number of people suffering from mental illness? What about the attempts that are never reported? What about deaths that are suicide but are not pronounced suicide by the coroner, and vice versa? What about, as I mentioned, the problematic relationship between suicide and journalism/the media? Japanese culture has had a terribly interesting relationship with suicide, going back thousands of years, in which I believe - and I have no background in Japanese history - suicide was not considered shameful, certainly not in the way that contemporary Western culture continues to consider it. You have a point. In old times, "To fall on one's sword" was considered an honorable death. And how can one forget the Kamikaze attacks that weren't very long ago. I guess it's all based on one's perception and outlook on suicide though. Now days, you are pretty much taught that it is wrong. That's because one of the most fundamental capitalist myths is "if you work hard enough, you can achieve anything", which is also means "if you don't have what you want, you're not working hard enough", which is the demented little half-sister of "if you're unhappy with your lot in life, suck it up and work harder", which is, disturbingly, what a lot of people have posted here saying. Oh but you're missing the best flaw of this myth: the idea that those who have many things, earned those things. I have a casual theory that the whole mental healthcare discipline exists to stave off the domino effect of depression (depression leading to suicide, which leads to depression in others, which leads to their suicide), which could potentially cause the capitalist model to fail. And, yes, I appreciate the irony that this may make me seem paranoid. I don't know if I really believe this, but I do think contemporary psychology and psychiatry (separate from neuroscience) is mostly full of crap. Still not seeing what any of this has to do with the capitalist model. A communist or post-scarcity model would still be vulnerable to everybody committing suicide.
Just that capitalism is the dominant economic model today, and of the last thousand years, and that it is superbly hegemonic and self-perpetuating, and making an argument about a communist society has no relevance to me.
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On April 17 2012 17:03 khaydarin9 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 16:58 Gummy wrote:On April 17 2012 16:55 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:48 Precipice wrote:On April 17 2012 16:46 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:36 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:30 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:24 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:20 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 16:11 khaydarin9 wrote:
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Ambiguous answer to the rhetorical question aside, the logistics of committing suicide successfully are reasonably complicated on a number of levels. Firstly, society is set up to keep us safe. We put fences around dangerous sites, we put voltage limits on domestic power supplies, we flag purchases of unusual volumes of medication, we have gun control (certain countries excepted). Significantly, there is also an immense amount of pressure to censor information that could make it easier for people to "harm themselves". There's an ongoing ideological battle in journalistic discourse about reporting suicides and if that encourages other people to attempt it. No one wants to be responsible for another person killing themselves, so even on the internet, it can be difficult to find the information that would help you in your plans. Secondly, we're culturally, and probably biologically, conditioned to keep ourselves alive. We look both ways before crossing the street, we put pressure on open wounds, etc. Reflexes and instincts are, almost by definition overwhelming, and difficult to subvert, particularly in moments of high stress. Thirdly, the human body is actually kind of a hard thing to kill, particularly when it's your own. Pain is a powerful motivator. Fear of pain is just as powerful, and people with suicidal ideation, being in pain, are desperate to not experience any more, but there are very, very few ways to kill yourself painlessly, and most methods of suicide, if failed, carry a high risk of living with more pain (mental, physical, social) or even disability. Well said. This is why whenever I hear someone say "suicide is easy" I figure they must not have seriously thought about it. And yet the number of suicides are very high. Especially in Japan as someone has mentioned earlier in the thread. You really want to play the numbers game? The "number of suicides is high" means what, exactly? High per capita? Compared to the number of attempted suicides? Compared to the number of people suffering from mental illness? What about the attempts that are never reported? What about deaths that are suicide but are not pronounced suicide by the coroner, and vice versa? What about, as I mentioned, the problematic relationship between suicide and journalism/the media? Japanese culture has had a terribly interesting relationship with suicide, going back thousands of years, in which I believe - and I have no background in Japanese history - suicide was not considered shameful, certainly not in the way that contemporary Western culture continues to consider it. You have a point. In old times, "To fall on one's sword" was considered an honorable death. And how can one forget the Kamikaze attacks that weren't very long ago. I guess it's all based on one's perception and outlook on suicide though. Now days, you are pretty much taught that it is wrong. That's because one of the most fundamental capitalist myths is "if you work hard enough, you can achieve anything", which is also means "if you don't have what you want, you're not working hard enough", which is the demented little half-sister of "if you're unhappy with your lot in life, suck it up and work harder", which is, disturbingly, what a lot of people have posted here saying. Oh but you're missing the best flaw of this myth: the idea that those who have many things, earned those things. I have a casual theory that the whole mental healthcare discipline exists to stave off the domino effect of depression (depression leading to suicide, which leads to depression in others, which leads to their suicide), which could potentially cause the capitalist model to fail. And, yes, I appreciate the irony that this may make me seem paranoid. I don't know if I really believe this, but I do think contemporary psychology and psychiatry (separate from neuroscience) is mostly full of crap. Still not seeing what any of this has to do with the capitalist model. A communist or post-scarcity model would still be vulnerable to everybody committing suicide. Just that capitalism is the dominant economic model today, and of the last thousand years, and that it is superbly hegemonic and self-perpetuating, and making an argument about a communist society has no relevance to me.
You should be more careful. I do not think it is safe to say that capitalism has been the dominant economic model for the last thousand years.
Also, it is ironic that at the exact moment that you are working with myths of identity - concepts which rely upon sociological, psychological, historical, and literary ideas/studies - you simultaneously find at least the science of psychology fraudulent. Hard to have both sides of that coin successfully!
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On April 17 2012 16:57 Precipice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 16:53 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:46 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:36 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:30 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:24 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:20 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 16:11 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 15:13 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 15:11 khaydarin9 wrote:
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At risk of coming off the wrong way ... have you tried killing yourself? I suspect if you had, you wouldn't say it was "easy". Sure, the people who succeeded are dead, but there are plenty of people who have attempted suicide at some point in their lives who will tell you that it's not easy. I would suspect people that had the desire to live would find it very hard. But those who don't want to live will find it pretty easy. If you really wanted to kill yourself there are so many easy methods to do so these days. Edit: I was going to go into detail to answer your question on if I tried or not. But writing it and posting it here just feels "wrong." Going into those details make me feel disturbed. :O Ambiguous answer to the rhetorical question aside, the logistics of committing suicide successfully are reasonably complicated on a number of levels. Firstly, society is set up to keep us safe. We put fences around dangerous sites, we put voltage limits on domestic power supplies, we flag purchases of unusual volumes of medication, we have gun control (certain countries excepted). Significantly, there is also an immense amount of pressure to censor information that could make it easier for people to "harm themselves". There's an ongoing ideological battle in journalistic discourse about reporting suicides and if that encourages other people to attempt it. No one wants to be responsible for another person killing themselves, so even on the internet, it can be difficult to find the information that would help you in your plans. Secondly, we're culturally, and probably biologically, conditioned to keep ourselves alive. We look both ways before crossing the street, we put pressure on open wounds, etc. Reflexes and instincts are, almost by definition overwhelming, and difficult to subvert, particularly in moments of high stress. Thirdly, the human body is actually kind of a hard thing to kill, particularly when it's your own. Pain is a powerful motivator. Fear of pain is just as powerful, and people with suicidal ideation, being in pain, are desperate to not experience any more, but there are very, very few ways to kill yourself painlessly, and most methods of suicide, if failed, carry a high risk of living with more pain (mental, physical, social) or even disability. Well said. This is why whenever I hear someone say "suicide is easy" I figure they must not have seriously thought about it. And yet the number of suicides are very high. Especially in Japan as someone has mentioned earlier in the thread. You really want to play the numbers game? The "number of suicides is high" means what, exactly? High per capita? Compared to the number of attempted suicides? Compared to the number of people suffering from mental illness? What about the attempts that are never reported? What about deaths that are suicide but are not pronounced suicide by the coroner, and vice versa? What about, as I mentioned, the problematic relationship between suicide and journalism/the media? Japanese culture has had a terribly interesting relationship with suicide, going back thousands of years, in which I believe - and I have no background in Japanese history - suicide was not considered shameful, certainly not in the way that contemporary Western culture continues to consider it. You have a point. In old times, "To fall on one's sword" was considered an honorable death. And how can one forget the Kamikaze attacks that weren't very long ago. I guess it's all based on one's perception and outlook on suicide though. Now days, you are pretty much taught that it is wrong. That's because one of the most fundamental capitalist myths is "if you work hard enough, you can achieve anything", which is also means "if you don't have what you want, you're not working hard enough", which is the demented little half-sister of "if you're unhappy with your lot in life, suck it up and work harder", which is, disturbingly, what a lot of people have posted here saying. It's not just capitalist, I'd say religion plays a big part in it too. Religion is the reason a lot of people choose to live or die. Remember the 9/11 attacks, a suicidal attack for a religious cause. Also, Christians are taught that committing suicide is a great sin. Personally, I think it is important to believe in something and always find a reason to live. A favorite quote of mine from the movie "Don Juan DeMarco" : "There are only four questions of value in life, Don Octavio. What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for, and what is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same – only love." Uhhhh... In saying "It's not just capitalist, I'd say religion..." you move this poster's argument outside of the context that it was operating in. That particular poster efficiently succeeded at isolating a major myth that has empowered many people's responses in this thread. Religion itself is of relatively little importance. It's only ability to impact people's decisions in regards to suicide (especially in cases of mental health issues) lies in the ultimate threat of hell. Thus religion is incapable of providing an ultimate consolation and succeeds, realistically, only in the threat of eternal torture. Ironically, many Christians still kill themselves. This should, just barely, give you an idea of how shitty some people feel: they would prefer an eternity in hell to a single life on this earth. tl;dr Your critique of the poster you dealt with does not work with his argument in any way.
Not all the countries are capitalistic. I was more leaning toward the idea how some suicides are from religion extremists.
+ Show Spoiler + But I'm too tired to go on. Goodnight TLers.
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On April 17 2012 17:06 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 16:57 Precipice wrote:On April 17 2012 16:53 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:46 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:36 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:30 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:24 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:20 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 16:11 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 15:13 Zerothegreat wrote:
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I would suspect people that had the desire to live would find it very hard. But those who don't want to live will find it pretty easy. If you really wanted to kill yourself there are so many easy methods to do so these days.
Edit: I was going to go into detail to answer your question on if I tried or not. But writing it and posting it here just feels "wrong." Going into those details make me feel disturbed. :O Ambiguous answer to the rhetorical question aside, the logistics of committing suicide successfully are reasonably complicated on a number of levels. Firstly, society is set up to keep us safe. We put fences around dangerous sites, we put voltage limits on domestic power supplies, we flag purchases of unusual volumes of medication, we have gun control (certain countries excepted). Significantly, there is also an immense amount of pressure to censor information that could make it easier for people to "harm themselves". There's an ongoing ideological battle in journalistic discourse about reporting suicides and if that encourages other people to attempt it. No one wants to be responsible for another person killing themselves, so even on the internet, it can be difficult to find the information that would help you in your plans. Secondly, we're culturally, and probably biologically, conditioned to keep ourselves alive. We look both ways before crossing the street, we put pressure on open wounds, etc. Reflexes and instincts are, almost by definition overwhelming, and difficult to subvert, particularly in moments of high stress. Thirdly, the human body is actually kind of a hard thing to kill, particularly when it's your own. Pain is a powerful motivator. Fear of pain is just as powerful, and people with suicidal ideation, being in pain, are desperate to not experience any more, but there are very, very few ways to kill yourself painlessly, and most methods of suicide, if failed, carry a high risk of living with more pain (mental, physical, social) or even disability. Well said. This is why whenever I hear someone say "suicide is easy" I figure they must not have seriously thought about it. And yet the number of suicides are very high. Especially in Japan as someone has mentioned earlier in the thread. You really want to play the numbers game? The "number of suicides is high" means what, exactly? High per capita? Compared to the number of attempted suicides? Compared to the number of people suffering from mental illness? What about the attempts that are never reported? What about deaths that are suicide but are not pronounced suicide by the coroner, and vice versa? What about, as I mentioned, the problematic relationship between suicide and journalism/the media? Japanese culture has had a terribly interesting relationship with suicide, going back thousands of years, in which I believe - and I have no background in Japanese history - suicide was not considered shameful, certainly not in the way that contemporary Western culture continues to consider it. You have a point. In old times, "To fall on one's sword" was considered an honorable death. And how can one forget the Kamikaze attacks that weren't very long ago. I guess it's all based on one's perception and outlook on suicide though. Now days, you are pretty much taught that it is wrong. That's because one of the most fundamental capitalist myths is "if you work hard enough, you can achieve anything", which is also means "if you don't have what you want, you're not working hard enough", which is the demented little half-sister of "if you're unhappy with your lot in life, suck it up and work harder", which is, disturbingly, what a lot of people have posted here saying. It's not just capitalist, I'd say religion plays a big part in it too. Religion is the reason a lot of people choose to live or die. Remember the 9/11 attacks, a suicidal attack for a religious cause. Also, Christians are taught that committing suicide is a great sin. Personally, I think it is important to believe in something and always find a reason to live. A favorite quote of mine from the movie "Don Juan DeMarco" : "There are only four questions of value in life, Don Octavio. What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for, and what is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same – only love." Uhhhh... In saying "It's not just capitalist, I'd say religion..." you move this poster's argument outside of the context that it was operating in. That particular poster efficiently succeeded at isolating a major myth that has empowered many people's responses in this thread. Religion itself is of relatively little importance. It's only ability to impact people's decisions in regards to suicide (especially in cases of mental health issues) lies in the ultimate threat of hell. Thus religion is incapable of providing an ultimate consolation and succeeds, realistically, only in the threat of eternal torture. Ironically, many Christians still kill themselves. This should, just barely, give you an idea of how shitty some people feel: they would prefer an eternity in hell to a single life on this earth. tl;dr Your critique of the poster you dealt with does not work with his argument in any way. Not all the countries are capitalistic. I was more leaning toward the idea how some suicides are from religion extremists.
Yes but in citing a particular person you entered into a specific conversation in this thread. When you did so you failed to actually make a claim inside of that discussion whatsoever. Instead you cited someone and used their points as a springboard to talk about something completely different. Sure you can do this I guess, but it is important then that you emphasize your thesis/claim far more clearly than usual. Otherwise your post simply looks like a collection of random claims thrown together which do little if any work.
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On April 17 2012 17:05 Precipice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 17:03 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:58 Gummy wrote:On April 17 2012 16:55 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:48 Precipice wrote:On April 17 2012 16:46 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:36 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:30 khaydarin9 wrote:On April 17 2012 16:24 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 16:20 Mothra wrote:
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Well said. This is why whenever I hear someone say "suicide is easy" I figure they must not have seriously thought about it. And yet the number of suicides are very high. Especially in Japan as someone has mentioned earlier in the thread. You really want to play the numbers game? The "number of suicides is high" means what, exactly? High per capita? Compared to the number of attempted suicides? Compared to the number of people suffering from mental illness? What about the attempts that are never reported? What about deaths that are suicide but are not pronounced suicide by the coroner, and vice versa? What about, as I mentioned, the problematic relationship between suicide and journalism/the media? Japanese culture has had a terribly interesting relationship with suicide, going back thousands of years, in which I believe - and I have no background in Japanese history - suicide was not considered shameful, certainly not in the way that contemporary Western culture continues to consider it. You have a point. In old times, "To fall on one's sword" was considered an honorable death. And how can one forget the Kamikaze attacks that weren't very long ago. I guess it's all based on one's perception and outlook on suicide though. Now days, you are pretty much taught that it is wrong. That's because one of the most fundamental capitalist myths is "if you work hard enough, you can achieve anything", which is also means "if you don't have what you want, you're not working hard enough", which is the demented little half-sister of "if you're unhappy with your lot in life, suck it up and work harder", which is, disturbingly, what a lot of people have posted here saying. Oh but you're missing the best flaw of this myth: the idea that those who have many things, earned those things. I have a casual theory that the whole mental healthcare discipline exists to stave off the domino effect of depression (depression leading to suicide, which leads to depression in others, which leads to their suicide), which could potentially cause the capitalist model to fail. And, yes, I appreciate the irony that this may make me seem paranoid. I don't know if I really believe this, but I do think contemporary psychology and psychiatry (separate from neuroscience) is mostly full of crap. Still not seeing what any of this has to do with the capitalist model. A communist or post-scarcity model would still be vulnerable to everybody committing suicide. Just that capitalism is the dominant economic model today, and of the last thousand years, and that it is superbly hegemonic and self-perpetuating, and making an argument about a communist society has no relevance to me. You should be more careful. I do not think it is safe to say that capitalism has been the dominant economic model for the last thousand years. Also, it is ironic that at the exact moment that you are working with myths of identity - concepts which rely upon sociological, psychological, historical, and literary ideas/studies - you simultaneously find at least the science of psychology fraudulent. Hard to have both sides of that coin successfully!
I find the practice of psychology "fraudulent" (though I wouldn't have used that word), I find science of psychology and neuroscience interesting.
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Speaking of psychology, I find the most interesting part of this thread is the contrast between posts in 2006 and posts in 2012
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On April 17 2012 16:11 Brutaxilos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:39 Release wrote:On April 17 2012 15:38 Brutaxilos wrote:On April 17 2012 15:26 Release wrote:
If people actually want to kill themselves, they won't leave a note. That takes too much time.
People who actually want to kill themselves spend time researching how and what is the best way; things like where to shoot for the highest fatality rate, where to stab, where to jump, etc, etc.
Anyone who publicizes their suicide is not suicidal, but rather, is "calling for attention" -Nevermind86 (couldn't have said it better myself). Yes, committing suicide is calling for attention. But who are you to say that attention isn't important for a human being? Have you ever been ignored by everyone you've ever wanted to talk to? Do you understand the drive that, through hopelessness and frustration, forces a person to take the final step to gaining the attention he or she needs? Humans are social animals, the need for interaction is as integral as the need to eat and drink. But they are not suicidal. They are pretending to commit suicide to achieve their goal, which is to get attention, not to commit suicide. I'm not saying attention isn't important, it is. But at the end of the day, they want to be alive. I'm saying this from personal experience. I have and still do contemplate suicide. Why? The best way to describe it would be revenge. When people do shitty things to you, you can't do anything about it. In our world today, we are only beginning to realize that psychological pain is just as real as physical pain. If someone harms you psychologically, you can't harm them physically, or else something like school shootings occur. The one who commits the physical attack always gets the most animosity from society. Something like committing suicide does two things. It elicits sympathy from society. They all begin to question themselves on how they could have and should have helped you. And it makes people feel guilty. This guilt is what people want. I'm probably going off topic, I apologize. This is just an issue that I really take personally.
Your reason would be example of those cases where the person attempting suicide is just a whiny hysterical teenager that needs to grow up.
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That was quite a depressing read.
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On April 17 2012 20:23 Thylacine wrote:
That was quite a depressing read.
I agree 100%. I dont know (maybe because my life is not miserable imho) what makes people throw away their own life.
Still it makes me sad to read their last words / letters...
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On April 17 2012 17:09 Plexa wrote:
Speaking of psychology, I find the most interesting part of this thread is the contrast between posts in 2006 and posts in 2012
Yeah definitely, I mean I personally still feel 2012 still has too many people lacking any empathy or understanding, but 2006 is just on another level.
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On April 17 2012 03:11 Angel_ wrote:
When babies aren't loved they spontaneously die. Adolescents and young adults are no different.
Dude. What? I'd like to learn more about this "spontaneous death" thing. Sounds like a case for Dr. House
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Jimmy!
Remember what I told you and always respect, protect and obey your mother and always remember that I love you so much. I am going to leave you forever because I am too sick to go on. God bless you my Son and when your time comes to go to Heaven you will find your ole Pappy waiting for you.
Daddy
if this guy believes in heaven, he will not be the one that goes there. Suicide in Christianity is the greatest sin one can commit.
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On April 18 2012 05:12 CandyHunterz wrote:Show nested quote + Jimmy!
Remember what I told you and always respect, protect and obey your mother and always remember that I love you so much. I am going to leave you forever because I am too sick to go on. God bless you my Son and when your time comes to go to Heaven you will find your ole Pappy waiting for you.
Daddy if this guy believes in heaven, he will not be the one that goes there. Suicide in Christianity is the greatest sin one can commit.
Not to start any sort of argument (because honestly I don't care), but that is an ancient, dogmatic form of Catholicism where suicide is "the greatest sin," in addition to being a traitor/using people to your advantage (hmmm I wonder where they got this from?) Most present day Protestant Christians are in agreement that any "sin" (that which separates you from God) is just that, a sin...whether it be stealing a bag of chips from the store, or taking your life or the life of another.
Also, on a related topic, my biggest fear in life is being named in a suicide letter (as part of the cause) because I made some offhand comment years ago that stuck with them, or whatever. Anyone else know what I'm talking about?
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"These suicide notes were gathered at the coroners' offices by a suicidologist/psychiatrist who asked to be anonymous
How do these notes not fall under the rule that doctors and such should keep client information private?
Did the one who commited suicide give permission to make these notes public?
While interesting in a twisted way to read these notes i feel it is not realy apropiate.
To extensivly discuss and comment such notes on a forum is bad taste.
The intention of this thread might have been good but when i read the whole thread it somehow does not look right to me.
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On April 18 2012 09:14 Rassy wrote:
"These suicide notes were gathered at the coroners' offices by a suicidologist/psychiatrist who asked to be anonymous
How do these notes not fall under the rule that doctors and such should keep client information private?
Did the one who commited suicide give permission to make these notes public?
While interesting in a twisted way to read these notes i feel it is not realy apropiate.
To extensivly discuss and comment such notes on a forum is bad taste.
The intention of this thread might have been good but when i read the whole thread it somehow does not look right to me.
What is this post? not apropriate? if we could only read the apropriate things then the world would be a pretty boring place.
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On April 18 2012 09:14 Rassy wrote:
"These suicide notes were gathered at the coroners' offices by a suicidologist/psychiatrist who asked to be anonymous
How do these notes not fall under the rule that doctors and such should keep client information private?
Did the one who commited suicide give permission to make these notes public?
While interesting in a twisted way to read these notes i feel it is not realy apropiate.
To extensivly discuss and comment such notes on a forum is bad taste.
The intention of this thread might have been good but when i read the whole thread it somehow does not look right to me.
Please tell us what is right to you so we'll all know what we can talk about and what not.
He edited identifying details out of the compiled manuscript, and we changed the names.
This should answer your question (the next sentence in the post you didn't fully read). If bob koober dies and tells marry loober in a suicide note that he hates her guts, i don't see why the psychiatrist couldn't tell people that roger died and said in his note that he hated isabel.
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Very surreal to read these.
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On April 18 2012 09:14 Rassy wrote:
"These suicide notes were gathered at the coroners' offices by a suicidologist/psychiatrist who asked to be anonymous
How do these notes not fall under the rule that doctors and such should keep client information private?
Did the one who commited suicide give permission to make these notes public?
While interesting in a twisted way to read these notes i feel it is not realy apropiate.
To extensivly discuss and comment such notes on a forum is bad taste.
The intention of this thread might have been good but when i read the whole thread it somehow does not look right to me.
Unless they were specifically addressed to the doctor or psychologist, I don't think it falls under doctor/patient confidentiality. Sounds like they were collected as evidence from the scene, and a psychiatrist compiled the collection.
Also might be worth noting that doctor/patient confidentiality is not all encompassing. Doctors are allowed (and, in some cases, obliged) to reveal confidential medical information to a third party if a) the patient signs it off, b) the doctor has reason to believe you're going to harm yourself, c) the doctor has reason to think you're going to harm someone else. Which I think is actually discouraging to a lot of people who might go to a psychologist for help with suicidal ideation or depression, but say, don't want to be institutionalised.
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Makes me feel strangely giddy...in an uncanny way.
I hope that doesn't reflect me as a person...
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On April 18 2012 09:39 Taekwon wrote:
Makes me feel strangely giddy...in an uncanny way.
I hope that doesn't reflect me as a person...
What is wrong with you?
EDIT: OH I thought you said "giggity" nvm
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