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On April 17 2012 15:36 TanTzoR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:33 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 15:27 TanTzoR wrote: I really don't understand people committing suicide.Especially if they are still physically able. and are not some sort of prisoners (slavery etc) I think they don't consider all the opportunities they have yet. There is so many things they haven't experienced. Life is fucking wonderful, I find almost insulting when someone suicide while they are thousand of children in the world experiencing awful things and still smiling. I don't know, just "man up" and realize how life is beautiful and all the possibilities you have ahead of you. Maybe I'm just of a different kind, but fuck you have only one life :s
Again I'm talking about people still having their physical abilities (not paralyzed ans such) and not physically imprisoned. "Life is fucking wonderful... thousands of children in the world experiencing awful things...". Does that not sound contradictory to you? Not at all, your life is wonderful. Their life suck. And even by sucking this hard they still enjoy the small parts to enjoy. Because they learned to enjoy the small parts and they were raised that way. To them, it doesn't suck. That's your view, not their's. People with "wonderful" lives tend to enjoy things different from what the others enjoy (often, but not necessarily, larger and more extravagant things).
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On April 17 2012 15:26 Release wrote: If people actually want to kill themselves, they won't leave a note. That takes too much time. People who actually want to kill themselves spend time researching how and what is the best way; things like where to shoot for the highest fatality rate, where to stab, where to jump, etc, etc. Anyone who publicizes their suicide is not suicidal, but rather, is "calling for attention" -Nevermind86 (couldn't have said it better myself). Yes, committing suicide is calling for attention. But who are you to say that attention isn't important for a human being? Have you ever been ignored by everyone you've ever wanted to talk to? Do you understand the drive that, through hopelessness and frustration, forces a person to take the final step to gaining the attention he or she needs? Humans are social animals, the need for interaction is as integral as the need to eat and drink.
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Well you know in misery you do have a good laugh every once in a while, but that sometimes it's not enough as a good enough-reason to live man.
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On April 17 2012 15:14 Nevermind86 wrote: I was going to commit suicide last year. I had this horrible accident that left crippled for 7 months, I needed a surgery to heal the damage but my family didn't have the money, when finally the surgery was scheduled there was a chance that it wouldn't heal the damage, right there after so much pain I decided that that was no way to live. Maybe it was that before the accident my life was so good, all my friends really felt bad for me because they knew I had such a great life ahead and it was all ruined.
3 few days before the surgery knowing it was almost a certainty that I was going to be crippled for life I looked myself in the mirror and decided that if that was the case I would throw myself from the balcony of my aun'ts appartment in a 14th floor, I wrote a suicide note and then though about what was the last thing I would like to do before death, I had postponed reading 1984 for years, so I finally readed it, it is indeed a great book but I'm over emotional about it for obvious reasons.
I was so lucky though, the surgery was a complete succes, almost a miracle, and now even though I'm partially crippled it's deffinevitely not as bad. The desperation that comes with endless pain it's..., because you keep looking your past and see how great it all was and see the future that lies ahead where it's all gone.
I can say though that most people 'that just attemp it' are mostly calling for attention, I never really told my family and friends about my suicide plan, only my best friends knows about it... anyways someone posted that earlier, I think it's true, because people that are determined to commit suicide don't swallow 10 sleeping pills they fucking blow their brains out, or in my case think about jumping from a 14th floor. I was so convinced... you really need some courage, I understand why those japanese generals would suicide after a defeat in war because for them there was no pride in living after that, I saw no pride in living pitied by everybody. I guess since medicine keeps improving every year, maybe in the future with better surgeries and what not there won't be that many people in a situation like mine.
I particularly hated those people that keep telling you 'you are not a crippled but a special person', 'that doesn't stop you from being whatever you want in life, etc' it's the most horrible thing I ever heard, even today I hate those people with passion... because selling hope to someone that knows it's not there it's insulting, it's living in an alternate reality and a total lack of empathy... you end up wanting to suicide to not hear those comments again.
I don't know why but reading this made me think about the movie "Silent Warrior." It's a pretty cool movie check it out.
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On April 17 2012 15:38 Brutaxilos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:26 Release wrote: If people actually want to kill themselves, they won't leave a note. That takes too much time. People who actually want to kill themselves spend time researching how and what is the best way; things like where to shoot for the highest fatality rate, where to stab, where to jump, etc, etc. Anyone who publicizes their suicide is not suicidal, but rather, is "calling for attention" -Nevermind86 (couldn't have said it better myself). Yes, committing suicide is calling for attention. But who are you to say that attention isn't important for a human being? Have you ever been ignored by everyone you've ever wanted to talk to? Do you understand the drive that, through hopelessness and frustration, forces a person to take the final step to gaining the attention he or she needs? Humans are social animals, the need for interaction is as integral as the need to eat and drink. But they are not suicidal. They are pretending to commit suicide to achieve their goal, which is to get attention, not to commit suicide. I'm not saying attention isn't important, it is. But at the end of the day, they want to be alive.
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On April 17 2012 15:38 Brutaxilos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:26 Release wrote: If people actually want to kill themselves, they won't leave a note. That takes too much time. People who actually want to kill themselves spend time researching how and what is the best way; things like where to shoot for the highest fatality rate, where to stab, where to jump, etc, etc. Anyone who publicizes their suicide is not suicidal, but rather, is "calling for attention" -Nevermind86 (couldn't have said it better myself). Yes, committing suicide is calling for attention. But who are you to say that attention isn't important for a human being? Have you ever been ignored by everyone you've ever wanted to talk to? Do you understand the drive that, through hopelessness and frustration, forces a person to take the final step to gaining the attention he or she needs? Humans are social animals, the need for interaction is as integral as the need to eat and drink.
Better off to become a sociopath I'd say lol.
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Life is choice you can choose to be a victim or anything else. ^_^
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On April 17 2012 15:44 Zerothegreat wrote: Life is choice you can choose to be a victim or anything else. ^_^
I agree. Why don't you choose to exercise some critical thinking.
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On April 17 2012 15:38 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:36 TanTzoR wrote:On April 17 2012 15:33 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 15:27 TanTzoR wrote: I really don't understand people committing suicide.Especially if they are still physically able. and are not some sort of prisoners (slavery etc) I think they don't consider all the opportunities they have yet. There is so many things they haven't experienced. Life is fucking wonderful, I find almost insulting when someone suicide while they are thousand of children in the world experiencing awful things and still smiling. I don't know, just "man up" and realize how life is beautiful and all the possibilities you have ahead of you. Maybe I'm just of a different kind, but fuck you have only one life :s
Again I'm talking about people still having their physical abilities (not paralyzed ans such) and not physically imprisoned. "Life is fucking wonderful... thousands of children in the world experiencing awful things...". Does that not sound contradictory to you? Not at all, your life is wonderful. Their life suck. And even by sucking this hard they still enjoy the small parts to enjoy. Because they learned to enjoy the small parts and they were raised that way. To them, it doesn't suck. That's your view, not their's. People with "wonderful" lives tend to enjoy things different from what the others enjoy (often, but not necessarily, larger and more extravagant things).
That's my point. Imagine you learn to enjoy the small parts, but you have huge parts. And I think that kid working and hungry thinks it sucks, he doesn't know how much it sucks because it seems normal to him but still he knows he's not experiencing something good. I feel like in western world people try to find ways to be unhappy. Like they are unhappy about something but won't do anything to fix it. Doesn't make sense to me. I'm young (19) and have experienced little (even though getting kicked out of the house at 15 is pretty annoying) but even the idea of how many things could be worse makes me smile.
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On April 17 2012 15:45 Mothra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:44 Zerothegreat wrote: Life is choice you can choose to be a victim or anything else. ^_^ I agree. Why don't you choose to exercise some critical thinking.
Are you contributing anything to this thread or just looking to troll? You don't have to like my posts, but pretending that someone else is ignorant because we don't think the same way is actually making you look ignorant.
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A funny fact when I was thinking about the 'best way to go' I though these:
1. Go in the bathtub, drink a bottle of wine, slice the wrists like the Ceasars did. Too dramatic, I would probably slice enough for blood but not enough to die. 2. Ask a friend to give me his gun. Given my cripple situation back then, he wouldn't have accepted lol. 3. Doing a sepukku with a knife, too painfull but shit I though that could make headlines on the BBC or something. 4. Swalloing pills. Too much of a pussy. 5. Going to a highway and jumping in front of a truck at 100 miles per hour. I would have ruined that guys dreams for quite some time. 6. Then I though jumping from the 14th floor... I always wanted to fly.
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On April 17 2012 15:50 Nevermind86 wrote: A funny fact when I was thinking about the 'best way to go' I though these:
1. Go in the bathtub, drink a bottle of wine, slice the wrists like the Ceasars did. Too dramatic, I would probably slice enough for blood but not enough to die. 2. Ask a friend to give me his gun. Given my cripple situation back then, he wouldn't have accepted lol. 3. Doing a sepukku with a knife, too painfull but shit I though that could make headlines on the BBC or something. 4. Swalloing pills. Too much of a pussy. 5. Going to a highway and jumping in front of a truck at 100 miles per hour. I would have ruined that guys dreams for quite some time. 6. Then I though jumping from the 14th floor... I always wanted to fly.
As morbid as this might sound, I'd hate to go in a way where I would leave a mess for people to clean up... Just my preference though.
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On April 17 2012 15:39 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:38 Brutaxilos wrote:On April 17 2012 15:26 Release wrote: If people actually want to kill themselves, they won't leave a note. That takes too much time. People who actually want to kill themselves spend time researching how and what is the best way; things like where to shoot for the highest fatality rate, where to stab, where to jump, etc, etc. Anyone who publicizes their suicide is not suicidal, but rather, is "calling for attention" -Nevermind86 (couldn't have said it better myself). Yes, committing suicide is calling for attention. But who are you to say that attention isn't important for a human being? Have you ever been ignored by everyone you've ever wanted to talk to? Do you understand the drive that, through hopelessness and frustration, forces a person to take the final step to gaining the attention he or she needs? Humans are social animals, the need for interaction is as integral as the need to eat and drink. But they are not suicidal. They are pretending to commit suicide to achieve their goal, which is to get attention, not to commit suicide. I'm not saying attention isn't important, it is. But at the end of the day, they want to be alive.
That's one really dumb train of logic you have there. They killed themselves because in the end they want to be alive??
The other poster was talking about attention-seeking in terms of people publicizing their suicide attempt before they even commit it. These suicide notes on the other hand are from people already dead.
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On April 17 2012 15:48 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:45 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 15:44 Zerothegreat wrote: Life is choice you can choose to be a victim or anything else. ^_^ I agree. Why don't you choose to exercise some critical thinking. Are you contributing anything to this thread or just looking to troll? You don't have to like my posts, but pretending that someone else is ignorant because we don't think the same way is actually making you look ignorant.
So you've spent a good deal of time contemplating suicide and perhaps attempted it? If neither, then yes you are ignorant about the subject. Yet you have loads of advice to give and judgments to hand out.
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On April 17 2012 15:56 Mothra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:48 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 15:45 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 15:44 Zerothegreat wrote: Life is choice you can choose to be a victim or anything else. ^_^ I agree. Why don't you choose to exercise some critical thinking. Are you contributing anything to this thread or just looking to troll? You don't have to like my posts, but pretending that someone else is ignorant because we don't think the same way is actually making you look ignorant. So you've spent a good deal of time contemplating suicide and perhaps attempted it? If neither, then yes you are ignorant about the subject. Yet you have loads of advice to give and judgments to hand out.
I have more experience than you know. But this thread isn't about me now is it? So reserve your judgements on me for a thread titled in my name. I'm discussing the topic from personal life experiences and the exact details of those experiences aren't for me to share with some random person on the internet. It's the reason we call them "personal."
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On April 17 2012 15:59 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:56 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 15:48 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 15:45 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 15:44 Zerothegreat wrote: Life is choice you can choose to be a victim or anything else. ^_^ I agree. Why don't you choose to exercise some critical thinking. Are you contributing anything to this thread or just looking to troll? You don't have to like my posts, but pretending that someone else is ignorant because we don't think the same way is actually making you look ignorant. So you've spent a good deal of time contemplating suicide and perhaps attempted it? If neither, then yes you are ignorant about the subject. Yet you have loads of advice to give and judgments to hand out. I have more experience than you know. But this thread isn't about me now is it? So reserve your judgements on me for a thread titled in my name. I'm discussing the topic from personal life experiences and the exact details of those experiences aren't for me to share with some random person on the internet. It's the reason we call them "personal."
Then please extend others the same courtesy and not label them cowards, etc., if you do not know their life circumstances (even then, you cannot see inside their mind).
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On April 17 2012 16:03 Mothra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:59 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 15:56 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 15:48 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 15:45 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 15:44 Zerothegreat wrote: Life is choice you can choose to be a victim or anything else. ^_^ I agree. Why don't you choose to exercise some critical thinking. Are you contributing anything to this thread or just looking to troll? You don't have to like my posts, but pretending that someone else is ignorant because we don't think the same way is actually making you look ignorant. So you've spent a good deal of time contemplating suicide and perhaps attempted it? If neither, then yes you are ignorant about the subject. Yet you have loads of advice to give and judgments to hand out. I have more experience than you know. But this thread isn't about me now is it? So reserve your judgements on me for a thread titled in my name. I'm discussing the topic from personal life experiences and the exact details of those experiences aren't for me to share with some random person on the internet. It's the reason we call them "personal." Then please extend others the same courtesy and not label them cowards, etc., if you do not know their life circumstances. The thread is about them, so I will post my opinion about them. You can clearly see reading the letters that a lot of them were not in their right mind. I don't think all of them were cowardly to do it, I think some were mentally unstable. My cowardly statement is based on someone approached with a serious situation and chose to avoid it by killing themselves instead of taking the long hard road to the end. The reasons are endless but some are cowardly, yes.
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On April 17 2012 15:55 ppdealer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:39 Release wrote:On April 17 2012 15:38 Brutaxilos wrote:On April 17 2012 15:26 Release wrote: If people actually want to kill themselves, they won't leave a note. That takes too much time. People who actually want to kill themselves spend time researching how and what is the best way; things like where to shoot for the highest fatality rate, where to stab, where to jump, etc, etc. Anyone who publicizes their suicide is not suicidal, but rather, is "calling for attention" -Nevermind86 (couldn't have said it better myself). Yes, committing suicide is calling for attention. But who are you to say that attention isn't important for a human being? Have you ever been ignored by everyone you've ever wanted to talk to? Do you understand the drive that, through hopelessness and frustration, forces a person to take the final step to gaining the attention he or she needs? Humans are social animals, the need for interaction is as integral as the need to eat and drink. But they are not suicidal. They are pretending to commit suicide to achieve their goal, which is to get attention, not to commit suicide. I'm not saying attention isn't important, it is. But at the end of the day, they want to be alive. That's one really dumb train of logic you have there. They killed themselves because in the end they want to be alive?? The other poster was talking about attention-seeking in terms of people publicizing their suicide attempt before they even commit it. These suicide notes on the other hand are from people already dead. If they are (actually dead), then they probably cried for attention by pretending to be suicidal, didn't get it, THEN actually became suicidal.
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A friend of mine from high school committed suicide, and my girlfriend, who is manic depressive, fairly recently came very close to suicide.
Anyone that claims they understand why people do it are showing his ignorance. It's far more complex than you think.
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I don't understand how people can label someone a coward because they choose to end their own life. I think this says it best:
Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder. Arnold J. Toynbee
People only really have two choices throughout their existence: life or death.
To choose life is the bolder choice perhaps, but to choose death is equally valid. And I don't think anyone can call personal choice cowardice. However, for someone who merely dabbles in thoughts of death, the pain inflicted on loved ones is something to think about. They will never be the same. Ever.
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