EPTAnyway, if you don't like people killing themselves you should help them to live instead of just standing back and saying it's selfish, imo.
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lpstroggoz
New Zealand30 Posts
Anyway, if you don't like people killing themselves you should help them to live instead of just standing back and saying it's selfish, imo. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
I never received any help and the times that my friends tried to approach the subject only made me feel worse and helpless. My friends also felt the same way. I tried to do commit suicide two separate times in the next year. | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
I think many more people would kill themselves if there was a painless way to do it  | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
"I married the wrong nag-nag-nag and I lost my life. W.S." to the undertaker "We have got plenty money to give me a decent burial. Don't let my wife kid you by saying she has not got any money." This man was 70 something and apparently in a lot of pain. That bit actually had me laughing though. | ||
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thundertoss
United States1166 Posts
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On April 17 2012 13:31 ryanAnger wrote: In the moment, there is nothing worse. When you are emotionally degraded every single day of your life because your dad tells you that he wishes you had never been born, and you live with the knowledge that your mother abandoned you at the age of 6, to never speak to you again, there is nothing worse. When the bruises and cuts and scrapes cover every portion of your body that clothes can hide, and you are too afraid to tell anyone about them because you just KNOW he will kill you, there is nothing worse. When you are locked in what essentially amounts to solitary confinement in your bedroom with nothing to do but think for an entire month in the summer, there is nothing worse. When you are 12 years old and you know the pain won't stop for at least another 6 years, there is nothing worse. When you put the noose around your neck, and jump off of the top bunk of your bed, only to struggle because you weren't heavy enough to snap your neck on the way down and slowly slip into unconsciousness, the relief is immense. Even those few minutes of pain and struggle are nothing compared to the pain you've felt for as long as you can remember. And when your brother finds you there and gets you down from what would surely be your place of death and slaps you until you wake up? You wake up and you realize that you had failed yet again. And you cry. For hours. Because your sweet relief was taken from you and now you won't have the courage to try again because it took so fucking long to build it in the first place. There is nothing worse. Unless you've been there, you don't have a clue. And you know that I haven't? You are mistaken. Like I've said we all have our problems. I saw a show yesterday that was talking about a little girl that was locked in her closet by her parents for months and had to eat wood off the wall just to live. Have you had it this bad? I don't think none of us have. I grew up to the point where when someone isn't pleased with the way I've lived my life, I tell them "Oh well, it's mine to live." People will always try to put you down and hold you back but only because they aren't happy with their own lives. | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On April 17 2012 13:51 StyLeD wrote: If I could kill myself without pain, like a tablet that painlessly kills you when you sleep, I would keep that pill locked up in a safe where I know it is at all times. I would use it if the world turned upside down. I think many more people would kill themselves if there was a painless way to do it Death is too boring... Can't play Starcraft when you are dead. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On April 17 2012 13:57 Zerothegreat wrote: And you know that I haven't? You are mistaken. Like I've said we all have our problems. I saw a show yesterday that was talking about a little girl that was locked in her closet by her parents for months and had to eat wood off the wall just to live. Have you had it this bad? I don't think none of us have. I grew up to the point where when someone isn't pleased with the way I've lived my life, I tell them "Oh well, it's mine to live." People will always try to put you down and hold you back but only because they aren't happy with their own lives. I apologize. I just think it's incredibly understating the issue to think that one should just be able to realize "that others have it worse." Knowing that literally does nothing to make the situation better for someone who is depressed enough to actually attempt suicide. Especially not at the age of 12. In retrospect, I realize that I'm a much stronger person because of the things I've been through (it takes a LOT to really shake me now) but I had no way of knowing that at the time. I just knew that suicide was the only way to make everyones life better. Also, in my particular case, I was thoroughly convinced that if I offed myself I would actually be doing everyone a favor. I knew that if I was dead, my dad wouldn't have to "put up with me" and he'd go on with his life without burden. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
On June 19 2006 06:36 venusian.kohai wrote: people suiciding are so egocentric, they all think the world revolves around them. If you cannot live your life for yourself, then what's the point. I find infinitely more selfish the people that want to see you live so they can visit you once a year, even though your life really sucks, you become an antiquity or a strange object that can talk back about better days. Suicide takes a lot of fucking courage. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 17 2012 10:04 ticklishmusic wrote: I go through a couple weeks of being pretty normal (more like extremely silly) with friends, and then a couple weeks of being more introverted where I just stay in my room, eat alone, and think. I'm nowhere near a qualified psychiatrist/ psychologist, but I think that fits the basic definition and am more familiar with my own mental state than you are. The only question is whether this is a pretty much permanent thing (I don't think so), or a result of some things that are going on right now. @the other guy: cool bandwagoning, and trust me, no one appreciates thinly veiled insults than me. @other other guy: Bipolar is a spectrum, just like pretty much everything in psychology (which far as I understand is a pretty inexact science still). I don't think what I have would be like diagnosis-worthy, but I feel that I'm still a bit more swingy than the so-called average person. Everyone's a bit crazy in their own way. What you described, describes well a big bunch of people (you are not that unique) especially younger people. You do not have bipolar disorder. | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On April 17 2012 14:04 ryanAnger wrote: I apologize. I just think it's incredibly understating the issue to assume that one should just be able to realize "that others have it worse." Knowing that literally does nothing to make the situation better for someone who is depressed enough to actually attempt suicide. Especially not at the age of 12. Ugh my prior post had double negatives ewww.... Anyways.. I see what you are saying but the better wording I guess would be, "There is more to look forward to." I know plenty of kids who just couldn't wait to hit the age to be on their own so they could live the way they wanted. You can find lots of success stories these days from people that came from a bad background and made a huge difference. It's this reason I always wonder why anyone in their right mind would do it. But this is why I say they aren't in their right mind when they do it. | ||
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
On April 17 2012 13:59 Zerothegreat wrote: Death is too boring... Can't play Starcraft when you are dead. The shitty part about depression is that you completely loose interest in all the things that you have loved, including starcraft. you just don't feel that drive to do anything anymore, you just want to lie down and drown in your own self defeats. Its a shitty feeling, and honestly even when forcing yourself to play it, even when you win, you don't feel any better than you were before. you just start looking at all the mistakes you have ever made, and then other things just come in and cloud your mind with thoughts that just make yourself feel like you are the most worthless piece of living shit to ever live on the planet. | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On April 17 2012 14:07 Nevermind86 wrote: If you cannot live your life for yourself, then what's the point. I find infinitely more selfish the people that want to see you live so they can visit you once a year, even though your life really sucks, you become an antiquity or a strange object that can talk back about better days. Suicide takes a lot of fucking courage. Courage? I think the struggle to keep going, pushing yourself, and hoping to one day persevere takes way more courage. Suicide is cowardice. It is taking the easy way out of your problems. Think about it! | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On April 17 2012 14:15 Zerothegreat wrote: Courage? I think the struggle to keep going, pushing yourself, and hoping to one day persevere takes way more courage. Suicide is cowardice. It is taking the easy way out of your problems. Think about it! Anyone who considers or attempts suicide is being selfish and cowardly. This is a very pervasive stereotype, but for obvious reasons, it's one of the most blatantly untrue ones. People attempt suicide for a variety of reasons, whether that's due to a long history of depression or recent traumas, and oftentimes people in the grip of depression who are considering suicide attempt it out of a desire for it "all to be over." The best way to help someone who's attempted or is about to attempt suicide is not to tell them they're being 'selfish' or 'inconsiderate', but to assist them in getting the help they need. | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On April 17 2012 14:15 LanTAs wrote: The shitty part about depression is that you completely loose interest in all the things that you have loved, including starcraft. you just don't feel that drive to do anything anymore, you just want to lie down and drown in your own self defeats. Its a shitty feeling, and honestly even when forcing yourself to play it, even when you win, you don't feel any better than you were before. you just start looking at all the mistakes you have ever made, and then other things just come in and cloud your mind with thoughts that just make yourself feel like you are the most worthless piece of living shit to ever live on the planet. And it's times like these you need to seek professional help. They have medication for that, seriously. | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On April 17 2012 14:16 Gamegene wrote: Anyone who considers or attempts suicide is being selfish and cowardly. This is a very pervasive stereotype, but for obvious reasons, it's one of the most blatantly untrue ones. People attempt suicide for a variety of reasons, whether that's due to a long history of depression or recent traumas, and oftentimes people in the grip of depression who are considering suicide attempt it out of a desire for it "all to be over." The best way to help someone who's attempted or is about to attempt suicide is not to tell them they're being 'selfish' or 'inconsiderate', but to assist them in getting the help they need. It isn't a lie. Your whole statement just contradicted itself. Having the courage to get help? COURAGE! Hmmm.... And where did I say you should insult the person who is thinking about committing suicide? We all know that doesn't help. But there is lots of other ways to view suicide or suicidal tendencies... People that smoke or do any type of harmful drug are technically killing their self. Hitler killed himself when he knew he would be captured. Many reasons and variety of ways people do it. Hell, even enlisting in active duty in the military could be a way. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 17 2012 13:44 lpstroggoz wrote: why do people think suicide is selfish? i contemplated suicide a few times between ages 6-12, as i would rather have had eternal rest than live every day in fear. I don't think there's anything selfish about not wanting to live in terror. i'm sure my family members would have understood if i did kill myself, just like i could understand them if they killed themselves. (not that they had reason to) Anyway, if you don't like people killing themselves you should help them to live instead of just standing back and saying it's selfish, imo. It is selfish, because you put your own "wellbeing" first. It is not necessarily always wrong, but in most cases it is. By killing yourself, you are inflicting extreme suffering on people who love you. And in most cases the reasons you have for the suicide are delusions and getting help would actually change your life for better. Problem is people in such situations often have inability to even imagine how getting help would change anything, which is self-fulfilling prophecy. Again existing social support net is extremely important, because it forces the person in question into a situation where he has to choose if he wants to inflict suffering on close ones. For adult people that often is enough to make them get help. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On April 17 2012 13:44 lpstroggoz wrote: why do people think suicide is selfish? i contemplated suicide a few times between ages 6-12, as i would rather have had eternal rest than live every day in fear. I don't think there's anything selfish about not wanting to live in terror. i'm sure my family members would have understood if i did kill myself, just like i could understand them if they killed themselves. (not that they had reason to) Anyway, if you don't like people killing themselves you should help them to live instead of just standing back and saying it's selfish, imo. The fact that you even thought/know about suicide at the age of 6 is disturbing, I'm sorry that you had a bad childhood, so did I. But not enough that I would think thoroughly about suicide. Your family would understand, however if your action took place you would've made a lot more frowns upons peoples faces, thus the reason why it is selfish. I am proud of you for overcoming it. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
On April 17 2012 14:15 Zerothegreat wrote: Courage? I think the struggle to keep going, pushing yourself, and hoping to one day persevere takes way more courage. Suicide is cowardice. It is taking the easy way out of your problems. Think about it! Persevere towards what? Majority of people have goals in life that the thought of accomplishing gives them pleasure. To a suicidal person I think there is no goal in this world that offers the prospect of pleasure to their mind. Therefore the goal becomes death. They are "pushing themselves and persevering" towards their goal of being dead. You seem to assume that killing yourself is easy, yet obviously it's something you've never succeeded at and possibly never even attempted. How can you know something is easy if you've never done it yourself? | ||
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