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On April 17 2012 14:27 ThePlayer33 wrote:
I may have to say goodbye to the world if i cannot find a bottle of sriracha sauce in the next 24 hours. HELP!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +Just go to the store? I'm quite sure you can buy one in the next twenty four hours. Although I would like jokes to be avoided from serious threads such as these, I cannot help but take part in this one. + Show Spoiler +
Anyway....
Yet I'm interestesd about NonY's current state. Most of us, I assume, know that he's in a state of depression. I hope you've recovered a lot, mate :S wouldn't like seeing one of my most favorite pro-player's in a depressed state for too long.
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On April 17 2012 14:19 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:16 Gamegene wrote:On April 17 2012 14:15 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:07 Nevermind86 wrote:On June 19 2006 06:36 venusian.kohai wrote:
people suiciding are so egocentric, they all think the world revolves around them. If you cannot live your life for yourself, then what's the point. I find infinitely more selfish the people that want to see you live so they can visit you once a year, even though your life really sucks, you become an antiquity or a strange object that can talk back about better days. Suicide takes a lot of fucking courage. Courage? I think the struggle to keep going, pushing yourself, and hoping to one day persevere takes way more courage. Suicide is cowardice. It is taking the easy way out of your problems. Think about it!
Anyone who considers or attempts suicide is being selfish and cowardly. This is a very pervasive stereotype, but for obvious reasons, it's one of the most blatantly untrue ones. People attempt suicide for a variety of reasons, whether that's due to a long history of depression or recent traumas, and oftentimes people in the grip of depression who are considering suicide attempt it out of a desire for it "all to be over." The best way to help someone who's attempted or is about to attempt suicide is not to tell them they're being 'selfish' or 'inconsiderate', but to assist them in getting the help they need. It isn't a lie. Your whole statement just contradicted itself. Having the courage to get help? COURAGE! Hmmm.... And where did I say you should insult the person who is thinking about committing suicide? We all know that doesn't help. But there is lots of other ways to view suicide or suicidal tendencies... People that smoke or do any type of harmful drug are technically killing their self. Hitler killed himself when he knew he would be captured. Many reasons and variety of ways people do it.
Your view on suicide is pretty naive, you don't consider the circumstances that the depressed person finds him/herself in. You don't consider why some one would consider suicide. You don't consider whether or not the person is actually able to help him/herself, if he or she is mentally fit enough to make rational decisions.
No empathy at all.
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And you wonder why people are afraid of asking for help? Why people are afraid of being judged? Why depressed kids feel like they're less of a person?
People with such judgmental views like you.
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On April 17 2012 14:30 Mothra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:15 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:07 Nevermind86 wrote:On June 19 2006 06:36 venusian.kohai wrote:
people suiciding are so egocentric, they all think the world revolves around them. If you cannot live your life for yourself, then what's the point. I find infinitely more selfish the people that want to see you live so they can visit you once a year, even though your life really sucks, you become an antiquity or a strange object that can talk back about better days. Suicide takes a lot of fucking courage. Courage? I think the struggle to keep going, pushing yourself, and hoping to one day persevere takes way more courage. Suicide is cowardice. It is taking the easy way out of your problems. Think about it! Persevere towards what? Majority of people have goals in life that the thought of accomplishing gives them pleasure. To a suicidal person I think there is no goal in this world that offers the prospect of pleasure to their mind. Therefore the goal becomes death. They are "pushing themselves and persevering" towards their goal of being dead. You seem to assume that killing yourself is easy, yet obviously it's something you've never succeeded at and possibly never even attempted. How can you know something is easy if you've never done it yourself?
Death is inevitable, we will all get there one day it isn't really a goal. And killing yourself is easy depending on how you do it and the situation in which you do it in. And how can anyone know if it is easy? Anyone that has done it is dead and can't tell you.
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On April 17 2012 14:34 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:19 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:16 Gamegene wrote:On April 17 2012 14:15 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:07 Nevermind86 wrote:On June 19 2006 06:36 venusian.kohai wrote:
people suiciding are so egocentric, they all think the world revolves around them. If you cannot live your life for yourself, then what's the point. I find infinitely more selfish the people that want to see you live so they can visit you once a year, even though your life really sucks, you become an antiquity or a strange object that can talk back about better days. Suicide takes a lot of fucking courage. Courage? I think the struggle to keep going, pushing yourself, and hoping to one day persevere takes way more courage. Suicide is cowardice. It is taking the easy way out of your problems. Think about it!
Anyone who considers or attempts suicide is being selfish and cowardly. This is a very pervasive stereotype, but for obvious reasons, it's one of the most blatantly untrue ones. People attempt suicide for a variety of reasons, whether that's due to a long history of depression or recent traumas, and oftentimes people in the grip of depression who are considering suicide attempt it out of a desire for it "all to be over." The best way to help someone who's attempted or is about to attempt suicide is not to tell them they're being 'selfish' or 'inconsiderate', but to assist them in getting the help they need. It isn't a lie. Your whole statement just contradicted itself. Having the courage to get help? COURAGE! Hmmm.... And where did I say you should insult the person who is thinking about committing suicide? We all know that doesn't help. But there is lots of other ways to view suicide or suicidal tendencies... People that smoke or do any type of harmful drug are technically killing their self. Hitler killed himself when he knew he would be captured. Many reasons and variety of ways people do it. Your view on suicide is pretty naive, you don't consider the circumstances that the depressed person finds him/herself in. You don't consider why some one would consider suicide. You don't consider whether or not the person is actually able to help him/herself, if he or she is mentally fit enough to make rational decisions. No empathy at all. + Show Spoiler +
And you wonder why people are afraid of asking for help? Why people are afraid of being judged? Why depressed kids feel like they're less of a person?
People with such judgmental views like you.
My view is on people that kill themselves due to their emotions. Emotional suicides are illogical and definitely should seek help.
There are logical reasons to commit suicide though and they are not based on an emotional state of mind. They are based on extreme situations. I will give you an example: You are in the military and the enemy has caught you. You know these people will torture you and then kill you. In this case, you are better off trying to kill yourself off quickly. If you are dying a slow painful death it is best to go ahead and put a bullet in your head.
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On April 17 2012 14:44 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:30 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 14:15 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:07 Nevermind86 wrote:On June 19 2006 06:36 venusian.kohai wrote:
people suiciding are so egocentric, they all think the world revolves around them. If you cannot live your life for yourself, then what's the point. I find infinitely more selfish the people that want to see you live so they can visit you once a year, even though your life really sucks, you become an antiquity or a strange object that can talk back about better days. Suicide takes a lot of fucking courage. Courage? I think the struggle to keep going, pushing yourself, and hoping to one day persevere takes way more courage. Suicide is cowardice. It is taking the easy way out of your problems. Think about it! Persevere towards what? Majority of people have goals in life that the thought of accomplishing gives them pleasure. To a suicidal person I think there is no goal in this world that offers the prospect of pleasure to their mind. Therefore the goal becomes death. They are "pushing themselves and persevering" towards their goal of being dead. You seem to assume that killing yourself is easy, yet obviously it's something you've never succeeded at and possibly never even attempted. How can you know something is easy if you've never done it yourself? Death is inevitable, we will all get there one day it isn't really a goal. And killing yourself is easy depending on how you do it and the situation in which you do it in. And how can anyone know if it is easy? Anyone that has done it is dead and can't tell you.
I usually try to debate stupid arguments like this and I don't like to insult people so directly, but this is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You are really, really naive.
I can tell you from personal experience that a turning point in one's life can come very unexpectedly even after 8 years of horrid living.
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On April 17 2012 14:16 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:15 LanTAs wrote:On April 17 2012 13:59 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 13:51 StyLeD wrote:If I could kill myself without pain, like a tablet that painlessly kills you when you sleep, I would keep that pill locked up in a safe where I know it is at all times. I would use it if the world turned upside down. I think many more people would kill themselves if there was a painless way to do it  Death is too boring... Can't play Starcraft when you are dead. The shitty part about depression is that you completely loose interest in all the things that you have loved, including starcraft. you just don't feel that drive to do anything anymore, you just want to lie down and drown in your own self defeats. Its a shitty feeling, and honestly even when forcing yourself to play it, even when you win, you don't feel any better than you were before. you just start looking at all the mistakes you have ever made, and then other things just come in and cloud your mind with thoughts that just make yourself feel like you are the most worthless piece of living shit to ever live on the planet. And it's times like these you need to seek professional help. They have medication for that, seriously.
The sad part is knowing you need medication. That just compounds the depression and why many people don't go before it's too late.
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On April 17 2012 15:00 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:16 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:15 LanTAs wrote:On April 17 2012 13:59 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 13:51 StyLeD wrote:If I could kill myself without pain, like a tablet that painlessly kills you when you sleep, I would keep that pill locked up in a safe where I know it is at all times. I would use it if the world turned upside down. I think many more people would kill themselves if there was a painless way to do it Death is too boring... Can't play Starcraft when you are dead. The shitty part about depression is that you completely loose interest in all the things that you have loved, including starcraft. you just don't feel that drive to do anything anymore, you just want to lie down and drown in your own self defeats. Its a shitty feeling, and honestly even when forcing yourself to play it, even when you win, you don't feel any better than you were before. you just start looking at all the mistakes you have ever made, and then other things just come in and cloud your mind with thoughts that just make yourself feel like you are the most worthless piece of living shit to ever live on the planet. And it's times like these you need to seek professional help. They have medication for that, seriously. The sad part is knowing you need medication. That just compounds the depression and why many people don't go before it's too late.
I have a friend that is proud of her "happy pills" as she puts it lol. I think people shouldn't see it as a negative thing as it is actually very common these days.
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On April 17 2012 14:50 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:44 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:30 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 14:15 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:07 Nevermind86 wrote:On June 19 2006 06:36 venusian.kohai wrote:
people suiciding are so egocentric, they all think the world revolves around them. If you cannot live your life for yourself, then what's the point. I find infinitely more selfish the people that want to see you live so they can visit you once a year, even though your life really sucks, you become an antiquity or a strange object that can talk back about better days. Suicide takes a lot of fucking courage. Courage? I think the struggle to keep going, pushing yourself, and hoping to one day persevere takes way more courage. Suicide is cowardice. It is taking the easy way out of your problems. Think about it! Persevere towards what? Majority of people have goals in life that the thought of accomplishing gives them pleasure. To a suicidal person I think there is no goal in this world that offers the prospect of pleasure to their mind. Therefore the goal becomes death. They are "pushing themselves and persevering" towards their goal of being dead. You seem to assume that killing yourself is easy, yet obviously it's something you've never succeeded at and possibly never even attempted. How can you know something is easy if you've never done it yourself? Death is inevitable, we will all get there one day it isn't really a goal. And killing yourself is easy depending on how you do it and the situation in which you do it in. And how can anyone know if it is easy? Anyone that has done it is dead and can't tell you. I usually try to debate stupid arguments like this and I don't like to insult people so directly, but this is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You are really, really naive. I can tell you from personal experience that a turning point in one's life can come very unexpectedly even after 8 years of horrid living.
And you expected what type of response? The post previously was just as ignorant. And I'm naive how? You act as if I'm the enemy here. I've been down all the same roads and contemplated suicide myself. The only thing is, I've grown out of it. So please don't act like I'm sitting here with a silver spoon in my mouth spitting nonsense.
Edit: Or do you mean the guy before me? Hard to tell here with that last sentence...
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On April 17 2012 14:44 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:30 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 14:15 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:07 Nevermind86 wrote:On June 19 2006 06:36 venusian.kohai wrote:
people suiciding are so egocentric, they all think the world revolves around them. If you cannot live your life for yourself, then what's the point. I find infinitely more selfish the people that want to see you live so they can visit you once a year, even though your life really sucks, you become an antiquity or a strange object that can talk back about better days. Suicide takes a lot of fucking courage. Courage? I think the struggle to keep going, pushing yourself, and hoping to one day persevere takes way more courage. Suicide is cowardice. It is taking the easy way out of your problems. Think about it! Persevere towards what? Majority of people have goals in life that the thought of accomplishing gives them pleasure. To a suicidal person I think there is no goal in this world that offers the prospect of pleasure to their mind. Therefore the goal becomes death. They are "pushing themselves and persevering" towards their goal of being dead. You seem to assume that killing yourself is easy, yet obviously it's something you've never succeeded at and possibly never even attempted. How can you know something is easy if you've never done it yourself? Death is inevitable, we will all get there one day it isn't really a goal. And killing yourself is easy depending on how you do it and the situation in which you do it in. And how can anyone know if it is easy? Anyone that has done it is dead and can't tell you.
At risk of coming off the wrong way ... have you tried killing yourself? I suspect if you had, you wouldn't say it was "easy". Sure, the people who succeeded are dead, but there are plenty of people who have attempted suicide at some point in their lives who will tell you that it's not easy.
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On April 17 2012 15:11 khaydarin9 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:44 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:30 Mothra wrote:On April 17 2012 14:15 Zerothegreat wrote:On April 17 2012 14:07 Nevermind86 wrote:On June 19 2006 06:36 venusian.kohai wrote:
people suiciding are so egocentric, they all think the world revolves around them. If you cannot live your life for yourself, then what's the point. I find infinitely more selfish the people that want to see you live so they can visit you once a year, even though your life really sucks, you become an antiquity or a strange object that can talk back about better days. Suicide takes a lot of fucking courage. Courage? I think the struggle to keep going, pushing yourself, and hoping to one day persevere takes way more courage. Suicide is cowardice. It is taking the easy way out of your problems. Think about it! Persevere towards what? Majority of people have goals in life that the thought of accomplishing gives them pleasure. To a suicidal person I think there is no goal in this world that offers the prospect of pleasure to their mind. Therefore the goal becomes death. They are "pushing themselves and persevering" towards their goal of being dead. You seem to assume that killing yourself is easy, yet obviously it's something you've never succeeded at and possibly never even attempted. How can you know something is easy if you've never done it yourself? Death is inevitable, we will all get there one day it isn't really a goal. And killing yourself is easy depending on how you do it and the situation in which you do it in. And how can anyone know if it is easy? Anyone that has done it is dead and can't tell you. At risk of coming off the wrong way ... have you tried killing yourself? I suspect if you had, you wouldn't say it was "easy". Sure, the people who succeeded are dead, but there are plenty of people who have attempted suicide at some point in their lives who will tell you that it's not easy.
I would suspect people that had the desire to live would find it very hard. But those who don't want to live will find it pretty easy. If you really wanted to kill yourself there are so many easy methods to do so these days.
Edit: I was going to go into detail to answer your question on if I tried or not. But writing it and posting it here just feels "wrong." Going into those details make me feel disturbed. :O
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I was going to commit suicide last year. I had this horrible accident that left crippled for 7 months, I needed a surgery to heal the damage but my family didn't have the money, when finally the surgery was scheduled there was a chance that it wouldn't heal the damage, right there after so much pain I decided that that was no way to live. Maybe it was that before the accident my life was so good, all my friends really felt bad for me because they knew I had such a great life ahead and it was all ruined.
3 few days before the surgery knowing it was almost a certainty that I was going to be crippled for life I looked myself in the mirror and decided that if that was the case I would throw myself from the balcony of my aun'ts appartment in a 14th floor, I wrote a suicide note and then though about what was the last thing I would like to do before death, I had postponed reading 1984 for years, so I finally readed it, it is indeed a great book but I'm over emotional about it for obvious reasons.
I was so lucky though, the surgery was a complete succes, almost a miracle, and now even though I'm partially crippled it's deffinevitely not as bad. The desperation that comes with endless pain it's..., because you keep looking your past and see how great it all was and see the future that lies ahead where it's all gone.
I can say though that most people 'that just attemp it' are mostly calling for attention, I never really told my family and friends about my suicide plan, only my best friends knows about it... anyways someone posted that earlier, I think it's true, because people that are determined to commit suicide don't swallow 10 sleeping pills they fucking blow their brains out, or in my case think about jumping from a 14th floor. I was so convinced... you really need some courage, I understand why those japanese generals would suicide after a defeat in war because for them there was no pride in living after that, I saw no pride in living pitied by everybody. I guess since medicine keeps improving every year, maybe in the future with better surgeries and what not there won't be that many people in a situation like mine. [I told my 2 best friends months after the surgery that I had planned to commit suicide, they kind of knew it for the conversations we had].
I particularly hated those people that keep telling you 'you are not a crippled but a special person', 'that doesn't stop you from being whatever you want in life, etc' it's the most horrible thing I ever heard, even today I hate those people with passion... because selling hope to someone that knows it's not there it's insulting, it's living in an alternate reality and a total lack of empathy... you end up wanting to suicide to not hear those comments again.
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i've been pretty depressed these few days and i saw this thread ...
what scares me is that at this moment i can write something similar as well ...
well at least that means im not as desperate yet
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Now I know how fortunate the human specie is. The other day while I was having a walk to my car from my school in downtown San Jose, I saw two cats on two different blocks that I passed through. One was sitting on stair cases leading to a house, the other was behind the rear tire of a car and looking quite thin. I was wondering whether they were wild cats. I approached one of the cats and wished that I had some food to feed her. Usually cats would run away upon seeing stranger from far distance, however it did not happen in this case. My thought was that they're hungry downtown wild cats with no direction in life.
Similar thing happens to the boat in the backyard of my house. During freezing winter nights I see wild cats around the neighborhood group together and turn the boat into a shelter and just try to survive through the season in an erea where the're no river or lake, just houses and concrete grounds and streets. I always wonder how they feed themselves without a natural environment. What's more disheartening is that my mom told me these cats would get together and breed and multiply.
I have no idea how wild cats would survive in these urban environments and how they would feed their kittens. One thing I know is that these little animals don't know how kill themselves. I just wish that they have the knowledge of taking own's life so they wouldn't have to suffer through hunger. I guess that most of them would probably die either through hunger or by being hit by a car. They have no other choice.
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If people actually want to kill themselves, they won't leave a note. That takes too much time.
People who actually want to kill themselves spend time researching how and what is the best way; things like where to shoot for the highest fatality rate, where to stab, where to jump, etc, etc.
Anyone who publicizes their suicide is not suicidal, but rather, is "calling for attention" -Nevermind86 (couldn't have said it better myself).
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I really don't understand people committing suicide.Especially if they are still physically able. and are not some sort of prisoners (slavery etc) I think they don't consider all the opportunities they have yet. There is so many things they haven't experienced. Life is fucking wonderful, I find almost insulting when someone suicide while they are thousand of children in the world experiencing awful things and still smiling. I don't know, just "man up" and realize how life is beautiful and all the possibilities you have ahead of you.
Maybe I'm just of a different kind, but fuck you have only one life :s
Again I'm talking about people still having their physical abilities (not paralyzed ans such) and not physically imprisoned.
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On April 17 2012 14:44 Zerothegreat wrote:
Death is inevitable, we will all get there one day it isn't really a goal. And killing yourself is easy depending on how you do it and the situation in which you do it in. And how can anyone know if it is easy? Anyone that has done it is dead and can't tell you.
Woah let me get this straight. In one sentence you proclaim "killing yourself is easy". Then in the very next sentence you say, "how can anyone know it is easy?" and then explain why it is not knowable. Good job sir.
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On April 17 2012 15:26 Release wrote:
If people actually want to kill themselves, they won't leave a note. That takes too much time.
People who actually want to kill themselves spend time researching how and what is the best way; things like where to shoot for the highest fatality rate, where to stab, where to jump, etc, etc.
Anyone who publicizes their suicide is not suicidal, but rather, is "calling for attention" -Nevermind86 (couldn't have said it better myself).
Well man I think the whole point of the suicide note it's to tell that special person why you did it, because I felt they needed an explanation, I wrote it for my 2 best friends, I wanted them to know that when you live in pain it's no real way to live and that I was sorry for leaving, I guess. =/, I was going to send it in e-mail rather than a letter though lol.
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On April 17 2012 15:27 TanTzoR wrote:
I really don't understand people committing suicide.Especially if they are still physically able. and are not some sort of prisoners (slavery etc) I think they don't consider all the opportunities they have yet. There is so many things they haven't experienced. Life is fucking wonderful, I find almost insulting when someone suicide while they are thousand of children in the world experiencing awful things and still smiling. I don't know, just "man up" and realize how life is beautiful and all the possibilities you have ahead of you.
Maybe I'm just of a different kind, but fuck you have only one life :s
Again I'm talking about people still having their physical abilities (not paralyzed ans such) and not physically imprisoned.
"Life is fucking wonderful... thousands of children in the world experiencing awful things...". Does that not sound contradictory to you?
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On April 17 2012 15:29 Mothra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 14:44 Zerothegreat wrote:
Death is inevitable, we will all get there one day it isn't really a goal. And killing yourself is easy depending on how you do it and the situation in which you do it in. And how can anyone know if it is easy? Anyone that has done it is dead and can't tell you. Woah let me get this straight. In one sentence you proclaim "killing yourself is easy". Then in the very next sentence you say, "how can anyone know it is easy?" and then explain why it is not knowable. Good job sir.
I meant to put "could be easy." Fast typing fail... Oh well.
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On April 17 2012 15:33 Mothra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 15:27 TanTzoR wrote:
I really don't understand people committing suicide.Especially if they are still physically able. and are not some sort of prisoners (slavery etc) I think they don't consider all the opportunities they have yet. There is so many things they haven't experienced. Life is fucking wonderful, I find almost insulting when someone suicide while they are thousand of children in the world experiencing awful things and still smiling. I don't know, just "man up" and realize how life is beautiful and all the possibilities you have ahead of you.
Maybe I'm just of a different kind, but fuck you have only one life :s
Again I'm talking about people still having their physical abilities (not paralyzed ans such) and not physically imprisoned. "Life is fucking wonderful... thousands of children in the world experiencing awful things...". Does that not sound contradictory to you?
Not at all, your life is wonderful. Their life suck. And even by sucking this hard they still enjoy the small parts to enjoy.
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