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You've been watching way too much CSI and Dexter, dude. Do you know how unbelievably difficult it is to pull a clean print off something? Who knows how many people have handled that gun.
We're not talking about a perfect match here. They didn't even find any partials.
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On February 18 2013 04:02 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:00 FallDownMarigold wrote: plogamer you are utterly ignoring that the suspect admitted to having a weapon. Moreover one witness/friend admitted that he knew of a weapon too.
Compile all the facts before coming to conclusions. Cherry picking is very transparent to those who have read over the thing, and it makes you appear disingenuous The suspect admitted to having a weapon? Here I thought he was six feet under. Anyways, even if he's carrying, the only one to witness him reaching for his gun is the cop. Just carrying and running away isn't justification for shooting someone to death.
1) yes he did admit to it. before he was 6 under
2) under the assumption that he was just carrying and just running away-- maybe. If that isn't entirely accurate, which very well may be the case here, then not necessarily
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Not to mention the gun never actually was pulled, according to the report.
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On February 18 2013 04:06 TerribleNoobling wrote:Show nested quote +You've been watching way too much CSI and Dexter, dude. Do you know how unbelievably difficult it is to pull a clean print off something? Who knows how many people have handled that gun.
We're not talking about a perfect match here. They didn't even find any partials. Focus your attention now to the fact that 2 people on the scene other than the cop mentioned there being a gun.
Consider that there being no prints on the gun may not be sufficient to contradict the other observations. Consider that it may be possible to be in possession of a gun without printing it up
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On February 18 2013 04:03 TerribleNoobling wrote:Show nested quote +. In fact, the Feds even mandated a local, civilian oversight committee that gets access to pretty much anything reasonable it wants in terms of keeping the police transparent. Hold up. The federal government set up a committee? Guess all our problems will be solved now. Hold up.
TerribleNoobling can't read.
Guess that's why.
He posts like this.
User was temp banned for this post.
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If the gun was planted, the second deputy would have had to be in on it as well, the odds of which seem unlikely.
Yeah totally, a cop would never cover for another cop. That's absurd! It's not like there's this huge blue line, where they all protect each other and lie for each other constantly.
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On February 18 2013 04:06 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:02 ZeaL. wrote:On February 18 2013 04:00 FallDownMarigold wrote: plogamer you are utterly ignoring that the suspect admitted to having a weapon. Moreover one witness/friend admitted that he knew of a weapon too.
Compile all the facts before coming to conclusions. Cherry picking is very transparent to those who have read over the thing, and it makes you appear disingenuous The suspect admitted to having a weapon? Here I thought he was six feet under. Anyways, even if he's carrying, the only one to witness him reaching for his gun is the cop. Just carrying and running away isn't justification for shooting someone to death. 1) yes he did admit to it. before he was 6 under 2) under the assumption that he was just carrying and just running away-- maybe. If that isn't entirely accurate, which very well may be the case here, then not necessarily
Can you point me to where Cuevas admits to it? All I see from the police report is him yelling "FUCK YOU YOU SHOT ME" and then "alright, alright" after he had been shot for the fourth time.
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I did read the article and things simply don't add up. If he pulled a gun in the very beginning, which is what prompted the first shot before he started to run, why was he still reaching for it after? Why, did the officer not keep his distance if he feared for his life and got extremely close to him when he was on the ground, which would give the suspect an easy shot?...I could ask more, but the point is that the officers story doesn't make sense to me.
"Regardless of whether Jove was in the right, it behoovs us to remember that the penalty for carrying a gun, even illegally, should not be death. And a man who has been shot multiple times would tend to move around a lot."
^^ This, as well.
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im on my iPhone so I can't easily find the DA report
look around in the thread I'm sure it's been linked. If not check page ~10-12ish of the other thread on this that got closed for being sensational- "LAPD cleared..." Something like that
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Why did the cop not take cover if he was under fire?
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On February 18 2013 04:15 FallDownMarigold wrote: im on my iPhone so I can't easily find the DA report
look around in the thread I'm sure it's been linked. If not check page ~10-12ish of the other thread on this that got closed for being sensational- "LAPD cleared..." Something like that
If you're talking about this post you made: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398901¤tpage=11#201
I'm still not seeing anything about Cuevas admitting anything about having a gun. Just the cop saying he keeps reaching for it.
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no. That's 1 section of it
keep looking. I said DA report meaning to refer to the whole thing, not one excerpt copy pasted into a TL post. There is a link to the whole original document
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On February 18 2013 04:18 TerribleNoobling wrote: Why did the cop not take cover if he was under fire? He wasn't
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Villa then heard Cuevas say
I got a gun, I got a gun
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On February 18 2013 04:21 FallDownMarigold wrote: no. That's 1 section of it
keep looking. I said DA report meaning to refer to the whole thing, not one excerpt copy pasted into a TL post. There is a link to the whole original document
I thought you were talking about another document or something. I've read the factual analysis sections and testimonies a few times already and still haven't seen anything about Cuevas admitting anything besides getting shot. The only other witness besides the cop who even mentions Cuevas having a gun is Villa.
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I crush a ZIP and i almost cry and that 20 years old dude with 3 shoots in the back was going to shoot the police officer. Nice try but NOOOOOOO.
THIS IS HILARIOUS. Keep it coming.
PEW PEW PEW. America "Land of The Opportunity and all of that shit"
"guy in the ground ??? I HAVE TO SHOOT HIM. 3 Shoots dont do nothing to him.. HE'S IRON MAN
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He admits:
"Alright I got a gun I got a gun"
According to witness Villa. I suppose we may argue whether or not Villa is a liar
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On February 18 2013 04:33 TirramirooO wrote: I crush a ZIP and i almost cry and that 20 years old dude with 3 shoots in the back was going to shoot the police officer. Nice try but NOOOOOOO.
THIS IS HILARIOUS. Keep it coming.
PEW PEW PEW. America "Land of The Opportunity and all of that shit"
"guy in the ground ??? I HAVE TO SHOOT HIM. 3 Shoots dont do nothing to him.. HE'S IRON MAN Forget everything I've posted in this thread, this dude gets it. Poetry imo.
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On February 18 2013 04:33 TirramirooO wrote: I crush a ZIP and i almost cry and that 20 years old dude with 3 shoots in the back was going to shoot the police officer. Nice try but NOOOOOOO.
THIS IS HILARIOUS. Keep it coming.
PEW PEW PEW. America "Land of The Opportunity and all of that shit"
"guy in the ground ??? I HAVE TO SHOOT HIM. 3 Shoots dont do nothing to him.. HE'S IRON MAN
Come back when you have something mature and thoughtful to add. Get your emotions in check before coming into a thread like this. Sheesh
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On February 17 2013 14:11 HackBenjamin wrote: I think police should not be allowed to have guns. Maybe some kind of weapon to incapacitate their victims rather than something that can end a life. We have these wonderful things called rubber bullets, why don't they get used instead of lead? American citizens insist on being able to carry around huge amount of fire power, so obviously the party responsible of policing the citizens need to be at least equally armed. As long as owning an AK-47 is a human right, police needs to be able to respond in kind. If you want less police shootings, that's where you need to start.
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