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TerribleNoobling
Profile Joined July 2010
Azerbaijan179 Posts
February 17 2013 19:06 GMT
#161
You've been watching way too much CSI and Dexter, dude. Do you know how unbelievably difficult it is to pull a clean print off something? Who knows how many people have handled that gun.


We're not talking about a perfect match here. They didn't even find any partials.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
February 17 2013 19:06 GMT
#162
On February 18 2013 04:02 ZeaL. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 04:00 FallDownMarigold wrote:
plogamer you are utterly ignoring that the suspect admitted to having a weapon. Moreover one witness/friend admitted that he knew of a weapon too.

Compile all the facts before coming to conclusions. Cherry picking is very transparent to those who have read over the thing, and it makes you appear disingenuous


The suspect admitted to having a weapon? Here I thought he was six feet under.

Anyways, even if he's carrying, the only one to witness him reaching for his gun is the cop. Just carrying and running away isn't justification for shooting someone to death.


1) yes he did admit to it. before he was 6 under

2) under the assumption that he was just carrying and just running away-- maybe. If that isn't entirely accurate, which very well may be the case here, then not necessarily
mynameisgreat11
Profile Joined February 2012
599 Posts
February 17 2013 19:06 GMT
#163
Not to mention the gun never actually was pulled, according to the report.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
February 17 2013 19:08 GMT
#164
On February 18 2013 04:06 TerribleNoobling wrote:
Show nested quote +
You've been watching way too much CSI and Dexter, dude. Do you know how unbelievably difficult it is to pull a clean print off something? Who knows how many people have handled that gun.


We're not talking about a perfect match here. They didn't even find any partials.

Focus your attention now to the fact that 2 people on the scene other than the cop mentioned there being a gun.

Consider that there being no prints on the gun may not be sufficient to contradict the other observations. Consider that it may be possible to be in possession of a gun without printing it up
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
February 17 2013 19:08 GMT
#165
On February 18 2013 04:03 TerribleNoobling wrote:
Show nested quote +
. In fact, the Feds even mandated a local, civilian oversight committee that gets access to pretty much anything reasonable it wants in terms of keeping the police transparent.


Hold up.

The federal government set up a committee?

Guess all our problems will be solved now.

Hold up.

TerribleNoobling can't read.

Guess that's why.

He posts like this.

User was temp banned for this post.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
TerribleNoobling
Profile Joined July 2010
Azerbaijan179 Posts
February 17 2013 19:10 GMT
#166
If the gun was planted, the second deputy would have had to be in on it as well, the odds of which seem unlikely.


Yeah totally, a cop would never cover for another cop. That's absurd! It's not like there's this huge blue line, where they all protect each other and lie for each other constantly.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
February 17 2013 19:12 GMT
#167
On February 18 2013 04:06 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 04:02 ZeaL. wrote:
On February 18 2013 04:00 FallDownMarigold wrote:
plogamer you are utterly ignoring that the suspect admitted to having a weapon. Moreover one witness/friend admitted that he knew of a weapon too.

Compile all the facts before coming to conclusions. Cherry picking is very transparent to those who have read over the thing, and it makes you appear disingenuous


The suspect admitted to having a weapon? Here I thought he was six feet under.

Anyways, even if he's carrying, the only one to witness him reaching for his gun is the cop. Just carrying and running away isn't justification for shooting someone to death.


1) yes he did admit to it. before he was 6 under

2) under the assumption that he was just carrying and just running away-- maybe. If that isn't entirely accurate, which very well may be the case here, then not necessarily


Can you point me to where Cuevas admits to it? All I see from the police report is him yelling "FUCK YOU YOU SHOT ME" and then "alright, alright" after he had been shot for the fourth time.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
February 17 2013 19:14 GMT
#168
I did read the article and things simply don't add up. If he pulled a gun in the very beginning, which is what prompted the first shot before he started to run, why was he still reaching for it after? Why, did the officer not keep his distance if he feared for his life and got extremely close to him when he was on the ground, which would give the suspect an easy shot?...I could ask more, but the point is that the officers story doesn't make sense to me.

"Regardless of whether Jove was in the right, it behoovs us to remember that the penalty for carrying a gun, even illegally, should not be death. And a man who has been shot multiple times would tend to move around a lot."

^^ This, as well.
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
February 17 2013 19:15 GMT
#169
im on my iPhone so I can't easily find the DA report

look around in the thread I'm sure it's been linked. If not check page ~10-12ish of the other thread on this that got closed for being sensational- "LAPD cleared..." Something like that

TerribleNoobling
Profile Joined July 2010
Azerbaijan179 Posts
February 17 2013 19:18 GMT
#170
Why did the cop not take cover if he was under fire?
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
February 17 2013 19:20 GMT
#171
On February 18 2013 04:15 FallDownMarigold wrote:
im on my iPhone so I can't easily find the DA report

look around in the thread I'm sure it's been linked. If not check page ~10-12ish of the other thread on this that got closed for being sensational- "LAPD cleared..." Something like that



If you're talking about this post you made: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398901&currentpage=11#201

I'm still not seeing anything about Cuevas admitting anything about having a gun. Just the cop saying he keeps reaching for it.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 19:22:47
February 17 2013 19:21 GMT
#172
no. That's 1 section of it


keep looking. I said DA report meaning to refer to the whole thing, not one excerpt copy pasted into a TL post. There is a link to the whole original document
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
February 17 2013 19:21 GMT
#173
On February 18 2013 04:18 TerribleNoobling wrote:
Why did the cop not take cover if he was under fire?

He wasn't
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 19:25:40
February 17 2013 19:25 GMT
#174
Villa then heard Cuevas say

I got a gun, I got a gun

ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
February 17 2013 19:29 GMT
#175
On February 18 2013 04:21 FallDownMarigold wrote:
no. That's 1 section of it


keep looking. I said DA report meaning to refer to the whole thing, not one excerpt copy pasted into a TL post. There is a link to the whole original document


I thought you were talking about another document or something. I've read the factual analysis sections and testimonies a few times already and still haven't seen anything about Cuevas admitting anything besides getting shot. The only other witness besides the cop who even mentions Cuevas having a gun is Villa.
TirramirooO
Profile Joined May 2012
Portugal102 Posts
February 17 2013 19:33 GMT
#176
I crush a ZIP and i almost cry and that 20 years old dude with 3 shoots in the back was going to shoot the police officer.
Nice try but NOOOOOOO.

THIS IS HILARIOUS.
Keep it coming.

PEW PEW PEW. America "Land of The Opportunity and all of that shit"

"guy in the ground ??? I HAVE TO SHOOT HIM. 3 Shoots dont do nothing to him.. HE'S IRON MAN
Live fast, die young and leave a good looking corpse !
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
February 17 2013 19:33 GMT
#177
He admits:

"Alright I got a gun I got a gun"

According to witness Villa. I suppose we may argue whether or not Villa is a liar
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
February 17 2013 19:35 GMT
#178
On February 18 2013 04:33 TirramirooO wrote:
I crush a ZIP and i almost cry and that 20 years old dude with 3 shoots in the back was going to shoot the police officer.
Nice try but NOOOOOOO.

THIS IS HILARIOUS.
Keep it coming.

PEW PEW PEW. America "Land of The Opportunity and all of that shit"

"guy in the ground ??? I HAVE TO SHOOT HIM. 3 Shoots dont do nothing to him.. HE'S IRON MAN

Forget everything I've posted in this thread, this dude gets it. Poetry imo.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
February 17 2013 19:35 GMT
#179
On February 18 2013 04:33 TirramirooO wrote:
I crush a ZIP and i almost cry and that 20 years old dude with 3 shoots in the back was going to shoot the police officer.
Nice try but NOOOOOOO.

THIS IS HILARIOUS.
Keep it coming.

PEW PEW PEW. America "Land of The Opportunity and all of that shit"

"guy in the ground ??? I HAVE TO SHOOT HIM. 3 Shoots dont do nothing to him.. HE'S IRON MAN


Come back when you have something mature and thoughtful to add. Get your emotions in check before coming into a thread like this. Sheesh
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
February 17 2013 19:36 GMT
#180
On February 17 2013 14:11 HackBenjamin wrote:
I think police should not be allowed to have guns. Maybe some kind of weapon to incapacitate their victims rather than something that can end a life. We have these wonderful things called rubber bullets, why don't they get used instead of lead?

American citizens insist on being able to carry around huge amount of fire power, so obviously the party responsible of policing the citizens need to be at least equally armed. As long as owning an AK-47 is a human right, police needs to be able to respond in kind. If you want less police shootings, that's where you need to start.
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