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Twinkle Toes
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United States3605 Posts
February 17 2013 03:53 GMT
#1
A more detailed and updated thread.

LA County Sheriff's Deputy Julio Jove told three young men, including 20-year-old Jonathan Cuevas, to halt. They had been out partying and drinking, and they had just jaywalked. It was around 1:45 in the morning in Lynwood, California. When Deputy Jove told the three men to stop, Cuevas ran.

Then, Deputy Jove says Cuevas reached for a handgun at his waist, and pointed the weapon at him. So the Deputy reacted by shooting Cuevas multiple times.

he newly-released, frustratingly grainy and faraway surveillance footage from that night does not discount the claim of Cuevas pulling a gun. But what it does definitively show is that Jove fired multiple shots at Cuevas as he ran — saving the last one for when Cuevas had fallen on the ground. A WCSH6 Portland report says the autopsy shows at least three bullets had already struck Cuevas, bringing the total to at least four.

A gun was found at the scene, but Cuevas' family's attorney James Segall Gutierrez claims that it's suspicious because the young man's prints were not found on it. He also counts seven total shots fired by Deputy Jove in the footage.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/18/newly-released-surveillance-footage-show

Here is the official statement from the Los Angeles District Attorney
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-PsnQUvThWKaU1wVkRSWGlyY3c/edit?pli=1

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Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front waistband.

As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas screamed, “You fucking shot me!” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of trafñc on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car.

Cuevas was lying on his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming, “Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel” Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying. Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove.

The evidence examined in this investigation indicates that rather than risk arrest, Cuevas chose to flee from Deputy Jove with a loaded firearm in his hand. Cuevas ignored J ove’s commands to show his hands, and instead turned toward the deputy on two occasions as he fled. Cuevas’ actions placed Jove in reasonable fear that he was about to be shot causing him to respond with deadly force.

It is undisputed that Cuevas was moving around once he fell to the sidewalk. Although the witnesses attributed his behavior to pain, they were unaware that he was armed with a gun. Jove believed that his life was in jeopardy when Cuevas rolled from his stomach exposing the gun beneath him and ñred additional rounds. Once on his back, Deputy Jove continued to order Cuevas to stop moving and not to reach for the gun falling out of his waistband. Instead of complying, Cuevas placed Deputy Jove in reasonable fear for his life when he reached for the gun.





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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 17 2013 04:02 GMT
#2
I do believe the officer saw a gun, or believed to have seen a gun. It seems odd that any reasonable person would start shooting after someone fails to obey your order.
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vividred
Profile Joined January 2013
88 Posts
February 17 2013 04:03 GMT
#3
statist brutes at its finest

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ElvisWayCool
Profile Joined March 2010
United States437 Posts
February 17 2013 04:04 GMT
#4
It seems to me like a taser could have been used once Cuevas was on the ground. Also, the gun with no finger prints is pretty suspicious... Doesn't seem like a good situation for the police, but who's gonna do anything about it?
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 04:04:39
February 17 2013 04:04 GMT
#5
I think we have a thread for this? Mmm don't see it so it might have turned into a shitfest and got closed.
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Reedjr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States228 Posts
February 17 2013 04:15 GMT
#6
On February 17 2013 13:04 Slaughter wrote:
I think we have a thread for this? Mmm don't see it so it might have turned into a shitfest and got closed.

That one was closed due to the OP being rather biased. This one provides a lot more information about both sides, so hopefully it won't have as many people just spouting off while being ill-informed.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 04:44:00
February 17 2013 04:43 GMT
#7

A gun was found at the scene, but Cuevas' family's attorney James Segall Gutierrez claims that it's suspicious because the young man's prints were not found on it. He also counts seven total shots fired by Deputy Jove in the footage.

This sounds sketchy as fuck. I don't get how that could happen and am a bit ~_- about that. I find it hard to believe that it would not have any fingerprints at all since he probably had to put it in his waste band at some point.
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Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 04:49:26
February 17 2013 04:48 GMT
#8
The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me. I can not imagine a scenario where I run away from a police officer. Probably because I don't do anything illegal or have anything to hide.

I guess I'm a long ways from being under the hipster umbrella when it comes to police shootings. The first thing I think when I read this kind of thing is that the person shot by the cops was most likely involved in activities worthy of punishment and the world is better off without them.

If the incident was investigated, and the cop was found innocent of any wrong doing then my hats off to him/her. Glad you made it home safe another night.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 05:11:42
February 17 2013 04:52 GMT
#9
Don't think any of this is convincing whatsoever. LA cops are still a fucking joke and the poster children for the pathetic excuse for a law enforcement system we have in this country.

The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me. I can not imagine a scenario where I run away from a police officer. Probably because I don't do anything illegal or have anything to hide.

I guess I'm a long ways from being under the hipster umbrella when it comes to police shootings. The first thing I think when I read this kind of thing is that the person shot by the cops was most likely involved in activities worthy of punishment and the world is better off without them.

If the incident was investigated, and the cop was found innocent of any wrong doing then my hats off to him/her. Glad you made it home safe another night.


If anything, siding with the cops in these stories is the "hipster thing".

Your rationale is incredibly idiotic. Let's just forgive this cop for shooting a man that posed zero threat to him (running full speed away from him and then multiple shots while on the ground) because the world "might" be better off without him (not even addressing the fact that this is a completely subjective claim that throws due process out the window). There's a reason this country's laws continue to be a fucking laughing stock to the rest of the developed world. We allow this shit to happen.
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12762 Posts
February 17 2013 04:53 GMT
#10
On February 17 2013 13:48 Joedaddy wrote:
The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me. I can not imagine a scenario where I run away from a police officer. Probably because I don't do anything illegal or have anything to hide.

I guess I'm a long ways from being under the hipster umbrella when it comes to police shootings. The first thing I think when I read this kind of thing is that the person shot by the cops was most likely involved in activities worthy of punishment and the world is better off without them.

If the incident was investigated, and the cop was found innocent of any wrong doing then my hats off to him/her. Glad you made it home safe another night.

he was drunk and wasn't even walking straight, I can imagine a LOT of people would start running if the police/stranger shouting and telling you to stop, especially once you see him pulling his gun out and start shooting at you
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Skoe420
Profile Joined July 2010
United States44 Posts
February 17 2013 04:59 GMT
#11
Another trigger happy pig getting away with murder, he will probably even get a medal.

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NotYetAWoman
Profile Joined April 2012
Norway49 Posts
February 17 2013 05:02 GMT
#12
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Meiya
Profile Joined August 2007
Australia1169 Posts
February 17 2013 05:09 GMT
#13
I thought this was sorted out in the last thread but apparently not. Read carefully:

1- This isn't LAPD (It's even in the OP)
2- This occured two and a half years ago (therefore Dorner is not the hero we deserve etc)

So let's all act accordingly :3
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WritersBlock
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada91 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 05:12:56
February 17 2013 05:10 GMT
#14
On February 17 2013 13:53 ETisME wrote:
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On February 17 2013 13:48 Joedaddy wrote:
The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me. I can not imagine a scenario where I run away from a police officer. Probably because I don't do anything illegal or have anything to hide.

I guess I'm a long ways from being under the hipster umbrella when it comes to police shootings. The first thing I think when I read this kind of thing is that the person shot by the cops was most likely involved in activities worthy of punishment and the world is better off without them.

If the incident was investigated, and the cop was found innocent of any wrong doing then my hats off to him/her. Glad you made it home safe another night.

he was drunk and wasn't even walking straight, I can imagine a LOT of people would start running if the police/stranger shouting and telling you to stop, especially once you see him pulling his gun out and start shooting at you

No most people don't try to run and pull a gun when a cop pulls over next to them. Your imagination must match the magnitude of your ignorance and exceed your ability to reason. Being drunk doesn't mean it's alright to do stupid shit like run from the police. I'd love to see the asshole above me who calls officers pigs try to live in a world without any. People are so fucking ungrateful for police that put their lives on the line everyday to protect lawful citizens that it makes me sick.

On February 17 2013 14:02 NotYetAWoman wrote:
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Really? Just a warning? I remember when this forum was moderated competently...

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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 05:20:19
February 17 2013 05:11 GMT
#15
On February 17 2013 14:10 WritersBlock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 13:53 ETisME wrote:
On February 17 2013 13:48 Joedaddy wrote:
The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me. I can not imagine a scenario where I run away from a police officer. Probably because I don't do anything illegal or have anything to hide.

I guess I'm a long ways from being under the hipster umbrella when it comes to police shootings. The first thing I think when I read this kind of thing is that the person shot by the cops was most likely involved in activities worthy of punishment and the world is better off without them.

If the incident was investigated, and the cop was found innocent of any wrong doing then my hats off to him/her. Glad you made it home safe another night.

he was drunk and wasn't even walking straight, I can imagine a LOT of people would start running if the police/stranger shouting and telling you to stop, especially once you see him pulling his gun out and start shooting at you

No most people don't try to run and pull a gun when a cop pulls over next to them. Your imagination must match the magnitude of your ignorance and exceed your ability to reason. Being drunk doesn't mean it's alright to do stupid shit like run from the police. I'd love to see the asshole above me who calls officers pigs try to live in a world without any. People are so fucking ungrateful for police that put their lives on the line everyday to protect lawful citizens that it makes me sick.


Plenty of people are grateful for police, but an officer who shoots and kills a fleeing target like this doesn't deserve respect. I don't care if it's stupid to run from a cop; it doesn't justify shooting the kid. Many cops are pigs and are little more than bullies that are legally allowed to carry a gun, and many of us have experience with this. No one said that they all are, but there are far too many of them that are like this in this country.
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HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
February 17 2013 05:11 GMT
#16
I think police should not be allowed to have guns. Maybe some kind of weapon to incapacitate their victims rather than something that can end a life. We have these wonderful things called rubber bullets, why don't they get used instead of lead?
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
February 17 2013 05:13 GMT
#17
On February 17 2013 14:11 HackBenjamin wrote:
I think police should not be allowed to have guns. Maybe some kind of weapon to incapacitate their victims rather than something that can end a life. We have these wonderful things called rubber bullets, why don't they get used instead of lead?


...But dis is 'Murrrica, and they're our guns!!!

Seriously, with the amount of guns in this country, the police would be handicapped without them.

On a side note, it speaks volumes about the state of this country that police officers need guns just to properly enforce the law, whereas in other developed countries, they don't need them at all.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
February 17 2013 05:15 GMT
#18
But what would you say about the cop's decision if it turned out that he genuinely interpreted the actions of the guy along with all the factors of the situation and other guys present as being a lethal threat? What would you criticize him for then, if it turned out he had good reason to act that way?

I'm really not bringing this up because I think I know exactly what happened. I'm just raising the question because it seems possible yet no one wants to approach it that way. It seems the more common assumption is that the officer truly felt no threat, and only fired because he was acting out of line in a murderous fashion.

It may be true that he did not fire because he felt he had to -- but it may also be true that he evaluated the situation to the best of his ability and came to that conclusion, in which case it seems like the worst he deserves is to be relieved of duty rather than prosecuted as a murderer.

Ldawg
Profile Joined December 2011
United States328 Posts
February 17 2013 05:16 GMT
#19
So a handgun was found but with no fingerprints? So if the man who was shot had no gloves on, it is very unlikely he could have made any threatening motions. I am very suspicious of the LAPD on this one.
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WritersBlock
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada91 Posts
February 17 2013 05:16 GMT
#20
On February 17 2013 14:13 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 14:11 HackBenjamin wrote:
I think police should not be allowed to have guns. Maybe some kind of weapon to incapacitate their victims rather than something that can end a life. We have these wonderful things called rubber bullets, why don't they get used instead of lead?


...But dis is 'Murrrica, and they're our guns!!!

Seriously, with the amount of guns in this country, the police would be handicapped without them.

On a side note, it speaks volumes about the state of this country that police officers need guns just to properly enforce the law, whereas in other developed countries, they don't need them at all.


^ well thought out post, as to your previous one, I wasn't condoning police shooting every person that tries to run away, but they should have every right to protect themselves when they are in danger as this officer clearly was.
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