LA Sheriff Deputy cleared of wrongdoing - Page 10

On February 18 2013 04:33 FallDownMarigold wrote:
He admits:

"Alright I got a gun I got a gun"

According to witness Villa. I suppose we may argue whether or not Villa is a liar

On February 18 2013 04:37 TirramirooO wrote:
Listen dude's go check the video again please.. And if your a cop please dont be biases.
Just all i have to say..

On February 18 2013 04:39 ZeaL. wrote:


We could I guess, given that that quote is not in the main section for whatever reason, but that's beyond the point. The real issue at hand is whether the officer used an appropriate amount of force. And I guess given that the video is grainy as fuck, people will just interpret this sequence of events differently depending on how much they like/dislike the police.

On February 18 2013 04:48 TirramirooO wrote:
DUDE CHECK THE FKING VIDEO. THE GUY RUN AS FAST AS BOLT. Are you dumb or what? and in the ground the police officer PEW PEW PEW

On February 18 2013 03:30 Warlock40 wrote:


Yeah, this part is really fishy, which is why I think it's absolutely absurd that Deputy Jove's statement is being treated as fact by the investigators when it doesn't seem to add up.

Shooting at a fleeing "suspect" who is armed and not complying with instructions - we'll accept that for now. But according to his own statement and as shown in the video, Deputy Jove ran up to Cuevas, on the ground at this point, and was standing over him. At this point, he had already fired three rounds, at least one of which had struck Cuevas, and at least one of which was fatal. ("fatal" in the report seems to imply that even with medical treatment, Cuevas would have died.) So at this point, Cuevas is already a dead man.

Here's what doesn't add up:

Deputy Jove sees the gun. In the report, it says he did not go for it because it would leave him exposed to Campos and Villa. However, at the time when Deputy Jove was confronting Cuevas on the ground, Deputy Levang had already arrived on site. So what was going on here?

Second question. The first three shots were at a running Cuevas; the last three shots were at Cuevas while on the ground. Jove justifies the last three by saying Cuevas did not move his hands above his head, instead rolling around and moving his hands "for the gun". But it seems odd to expect a man who has just sustained at least one lethal gunshot wound to not move on the ground and not try to examine it with his hands.

Third question. Jove fired three shots while Cuevas was on the ground but believed only one of them hit. Seriously? A deputy trained in the use of firearms, standing over a person on the ground, only hit his target once out of three shots?

Fourth question. After the sixth shot, four of which connected with Cuevas, his only reaction was "Alright already, alright"? Was he in so much pain that the final shots didn't register to him, or did he just shrug it off, like "oh alright, ya got me"?

EDIT: The report is rather vague about when exactly Deputy Levang arrived. When he arrived, Cuevas was already on the ground, Jove was still shouting at him, and Cuevas still had a gun. But was this before Jove's last three shots or after?

On February 18 2013 05:14 r.Evo wrote:

You Sir make a lot of sense. Thanks for that.

The combination of "I didn't think I hit him and that's why I shot again" and "I was able to catch up and shoot him from point blank" doesn't make any sense at all. If he didn't hit him it's highly unlikely that he throws himself to the ground trying to pull his gun and shoot back. If he did hit him he has to assume that the suspect isn't complying because he is in pain.

"Rolling around trying to move your hands for the gun" isn't something someone who wants to shoot you in the face does. If he wanted to do that he would either do it while running or he was trying to defend his life against an over excessive threat.


This whole case basically rests on reasonable doubt because you can't say a 100% sure that the suspect did not try to reach for a gun and fire back. Sad as hell if you ask me that it's made this easy to take another life.

On February 18 2013 04:00 FallDownMarigold wrote:
plogamer you are utterly ignoring that the suspect admitted to having a weapon. Moreover one witness/friend admitted that he knew of a weapon too.

Compile all the facts before coming to conclusions. Cherry picking is very transparent to those who have read over the thing, and it makes you appear disingenuous


@falling
I believe it is fair to consider two possibilities based on the wording
1) it was falling- in the process of falling, without fully falling out (perhaps it didn't actually exit the band). It doesn't say "fell"
2) it never fell out, he never had a gun, officer is totally lying, whole thing's corrupt

Now I imagine some people will opt with 1 or some other explanation, while more emotional people will opt to think something along the lines of 2