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Good move in my opinion.
I watch around 10 different streams regularly, there is no way I am paying $4.99 a month to each one of those streams. but I might be inclined to pay $8.99 for a site wide subscription. Currently the feature list isnt what I am looking for though, I will see what else they can come up with.
But I would like to see a vastly improved android application first. The current one is good, but you cant log in, you cant chat, even if you were a subscriber to a channel you cant log into it to get your entitlement.
They could also offer picture in picture if I want to keep my eye on another stream while waiting for the next game to start (dont say open 2 windows, i watch full screen baby).
They should also offer an optimised streaming program with this so turbo users can stream a bit too without having to pay for the full cost of something like xsplit. I would also like to see turbo users who get streams from higher capacity servers to guarantee completly lag free viewing.
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On February 05 2013 00:26 yorkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:24 drooL wrote:On February 05 2013 00:23 yorkey wrote:
so any ideas how ad revenue will go to the broadcasters?
Like if i paid for the turbo sub and was watching a stream but see no ad's how will the broadcasters get money if i'm not seeing them? Every turbo user watching the stream will count as an impression. Ah ok, well i quite like the idea of it. One thing i was wondering though. (sorry for so many questions  ) is currently broadcasters put up subs for their stream to support them, and you get no ads etc on their channel but now for a bit more you get no ads on all channels, right? so won't broadcasters lose out on quite a bit of money from people who would normally subscribe but have moved to the turbo sub?
Yep, it feels weird because this way Turbo will be a tough competition for any channel trying to get subscribers.
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I moderate several channels including OneMoreGametv which can average 2000- 6000 viewers. While reading chat the majority of the complaints I see are due to commercials and stream lag. The people I see who subscribe to channels only do so because they want to support the person streaming and want to make sure that more content is delivered to them. Twitch is a business and has to look at things on a site wide model. If streamers are concerned that they will lose subs they will have to look into delivering better content. Fan games , interaction, commentary, special shout outs , viewer call ins are just some ideas but in the end its up to the person streaming to understand what their fan base wants and expects.
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Turbo is a nice beginning to go to payperview Like, u get special shows and rebroadcasts that only turbo's can see. Im thinkin turbo would catch on pretty fast. Like a sort of day9daily interactive kinda show done by Polt on the fly!
Edit : Saying that, it seems i want more specific, addfree and higher quality content made for me! Then i would pay maybe
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Will be interesting to see how this works out. I'm not too interested in the deal myself, since I rarely like to hang out in the stream chats, and I don't mind seeing ads (since there's not that much interesting stuff going on the stream when the ads are rolling).
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I would gladly pay for Twitch, if it wasn't so laggy that is is unviewable half the time :\
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This seems like a good move for Twitch, a stronger Twitch should mean a better service for streamers/viewers so it only hurts streamers who aren't offering enough to warrant the $5 a month.
Good luck with it.
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This is the exact same program Justin.TV had 2 years ago except that one used to be only $5.00 a month. Even the features are nearly identical (although it did give you some mini gifts back in the day).
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sweet! This is exactly what we need more haha. 9 dollar subscriptions
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On February 05 2013 06:52 NuclearStar wrote:
Good move in my opinion.
I watch around 10 different streams regularly, there is no way I am paying $4.99 a month to each one of those streams. but I might be inclined to pay $8.99 for a site wide subscription. Currently the feature list isnt what I am looking for though, I will see what else they can come up with.
But I would like to see a vastly improved android application first. The current one is good, but you cant log in, you cant chat, even if you were a subscriber to a channel you cant log into it to get your entitlement.
They could also offer picture in picture if I want to keep my eye on another stream while waiting for the next game to start (dont say open 2 windows, i watch full screen baby).
They should also offer an optimised streaming program with this so turbo users can stream a bit too without having to pay for the full cost of something like xsplit. I would also like to see turbo users who get streams from higher capacity servers to guarantee completly lag free viewing.
Streamers should be migrating or migrated to OBS anyways.
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Here is why current streamers are concerned: current system benefits them personally, but screws over almost everyone else.
Previously if I ~~~didn't want see ads on Twitch~~~ didn't want to feel guilty over using AdBlock, I had only option to support some specific streamers. If I watched some other streamers with AdBlock on (or Twitch just didn't have an ad to play in my country), they were screwed.
Now Twitch gives an option that actually benefits EVERYONE -- not just Twitch themselves, not just stream watchers -- but all streamers. On the other hand that option means some people will drop current subscriptions -- and you know why? Because they DIDN'T ACTUALLY WANT those subscriptions. People like desRow are afraid, because they benefitted from their viewers not having a good option. And now people will have a good option.
In the end, with Turbo more people will give their money to Twitch and that will lead to higher revenue for all streamers. At least some people from countries with bad ad inventory will start give you income (probably they will still be minority, but they will offset those subscribers you will loose)
Guess who won't be loosing too many subscribers? Day9, because he gives enough incentives for his subscribers.
PS. All that said, $5 will probably be too high for a single channel subscription. We should push Twitch to lower the subscription cost ot $3-4, while still giving $2-2.5 of it to streamers. Current 50/50 split doesn't seem fair (it may be well-founded economically, but not seeming fair still counts)
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On February 05 2013 00:26 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:23 yorkey wrote:
so any ideas how ad revenue will go to the broadcasters?
Like if i paid for the turbo sub and was watching a stream but see no ad's how will the broadcasters get money if i'm not seeing them? Reading the comments, someone said this. I couldn't find the exact comment by a twitch employee though. Show nested quote +Read some of the new comments from the staff before talking. Twitch automatically records when a Turbo member watches, and counts it as though an ad was watched, even though an ad isn't shown. So the broadcaster still gets paid the same. GunRuns comment: Show nested quote +Broadcasters are paid on a per-impressions basis for ads. If a Turbo user would have seen an ad, it's recorded and the broadcaster is paid as if the user had been shown one.
does gunrun comment means that if the Twitch Turbo user is from a country that doesnt get ad, the broadcaster won't get anything since if the user wasn't turbo nothing would be gained anyway?
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On February 05 2013 09:34 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:26 Grettin wrote:On February 05 2013 00:23 yorkey wrote:
so any ideas how ad revenue will go to the broadcasters?
Like if i paid for the turbo sub and was watching a stream but see no ad's how will the broadcasters get money if i'm not seeing them? Reading the comments, someone said this. I couldn't find the exact comment by a twitch employee though. Read some of the new comments from the staff before talking. Twitch automatically records when a Turbo member watches, and counts it as though an ad was watched, even though an ad isn't shown. So the broadcaster still gets paid the same. GunRuns comment: Broadcasters are paid on a per-impressions basis for ads. If a Turbo user would have seen an ad, it's recorded and the broadcaster is paid as if the user had been shown one. does gunrun comment means that if the Twitch Turbo user is from a country that doesnt get ad, the broadcaster won't get anything since if the user wasn't turbo nothing would be gained anyway?
Let's be honest here. What is the point of Turbo if you don't see ads anyway?
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i rather watch adds then pay ~$120 a year.
No thanks.
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On February 05 2013 00:46 LingBlingBling wrote:
This screws over the pro gamer streams that make a big chunk of their living off subs/ad revenue
Ad-free Twitch: No pre-rolls, no mid-rolls, no companions, no display ads, and broadcasters still get paid. All you see are front-page takeovers.
Not really, it won't affect revenue.
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Twitch is working hard! :D
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Doesn't make much sense to me because there are planned gaps by the broadcaster to display ads. The only thing that this might help with are ignoring annoying commercials (God I hate those AIMs dog food commercials where a dog just grunts non-stop) and no commercial when you first open the page. But is it worth 8.99 a month?
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I use adblock, and I'm not sure why the vast majority of people don't. I'm not saying anyone should or should not use it, I'm just saying I fricking love it. yeah yeah... you can say, "well if everyone did that, there would be nothing to watch," but that isn't true. Twitch and youtube would just figure out a way around it. Bottom line is, adblock is not seriously enough affecting "impressions" to warrant doing anything about it directly... unless I'm completely wrong and twitch has yet to implement a solution, but I see this "subscription move" on twitch's part as evidence against that. They're simply making bank on the vast majority of peoples' ignorance of adblock and how to use it. I watched ads during the superbowl, because I couldn't block them, but 1/2 the time, i just muted the TV (they were pretty bad... I mean, how the hell was there a pistacio harvesting commercial during the damned superbowl... but I digress). Are you saying I shouldn't mute my TV? Same logic as saying I shouldn't use adblock. <shrug>
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On February 05 2013 09:34 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:26 Grettin wrote:On February 05 2013 00:23 yorkey wrote:
so any ideas how ad revenue will go to the broadcasters?
Like if i paid for the turbo sub and was watching a stream but see no ad's how will the broadcasters get money if i'm not seeing them? Reading the comments, someone said this. I couldn't find the exact comment by a twitch employee though. Read some of the new comments from the staff before talking. Twitch automatically records when a Turbo member watches, and counts it as though an ad was watched, even though an ad isn't shown. So the broadcaster still gets paid the same. GunRuns comment: Broadcasters are paid on a per-impressions basis for ads. If a Turbo user would have seen an ad, it's recorded and the broadcaster is paid as if the user had been shown one. does gunrun comment means that if the Twitch Turbo user is from a country that doesnt get ad, the broadcaster won't get anything since if the user wasn't turbo nothing would be gained anyway?
Yes that is correct. You do not get money that you would not have gotten anyways. If you wouldn't have served that viewer an ad, why would you get paid for not serving that viewer an ad? Turbo or otherwise.
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It's so hard it seems for everyone not to put the "evil" spin on everything these days, government, military and now even Twitch  This is a very nice business model, Nazgul said somewhere in here a much better version of this, but some negative things occur, this doesn't mean it's not moving in the right direction.
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