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On February 05 2013 10:52 Hitch-22 wrote:It's so hard it seems for everyone not to put the "evil" spin on everything these days, government, military and now even Twitch  This is a very nice business model, Nazgul said somewhere in here a much better version of this, but some negative things occur, this doesn't mean it's not moving in the right direction.
At some point, we needed to give money directly to Twitch or somebody. I used to pay for cable tv(a lot more than $9) and I am willing to pay for Twitch if it means I get better quality stuff.
Just putting it out there right now, I will pay cash money for a Roku/Apple TV app so I don't have to deal with any bullshit with a PC or my Iphone(Airplay). Cash money on a monthly basis, higher than $9. Listen and understand. Cash money.
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On February 05 2013 10:42 banzaiib wrote:
I use adblock, and I'm not sure why the vast majority of people don't. I'm not saying anyone should or should not use it, I'm just saying I fricking love it. yeah yeah... you can say, "well if everyone did that, there would be nothing to watch," but that isn't true. Twitch and youtube would just figure out a way around it. Bottom line is, adblock is not seriously enough affecting "impressions" to warrant doing anything about it directly... unless I'm completely wrong and twitch has yet to implement a solution, but I see this "subscription move" on twitch's part as evidence against that. They're simply making bank on the vast majority of peoples' ignorance of adblock and how to use it. I watched ads during the superbowl, because I couldn't block them, but 1/2 the time, i just muted the TV (they were pretty bad... I mean, how the hell was there a pistacio harvesting commercial during the damned superbowl... but I digress). Are you saying I shouldn't mute my TV? Same logic as saying I shouldn't use adblock. <shrug>
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You are wrong.
Adblock is cutting ad revenue for the sites/streamers by way more then 50%.
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I think the timing for introducing Turbo is a bit off (with the demise of Own3d, the proud wearers of tinfoil hats can see all kinds of things in it), and the service itself is interesting, but not something that I'd personally be interested in. Most of the streams I watch a lot of are semi-professional in terms of having ad breaks built into the programming, and some include non-Twitch ads directly in the video feed. I can subscribe directly to specific channels and support them, and unless I'm going to be subscribing to enough channels to surpass the $9 a month, it's okay for me to see ads here and there on other channels I might watch every once in a while.
There's some credence to be given to the argument over direct subscriber revenue - if paying $9 a month conveys the same benefits across all channels then why subscribe to only one channel? (I see a rise coming in the number of "Sub only" chats. It's the only real difference that I can see between Turbo and sub to a channel.) But then, someone else has already said that better programming and better quality programming is the better bet, to offer real quality to bring subscriptions up.
I'm mixed over it, really. I mean, between the bogeyman of ad-block, and a cable-esque move from "a la carte" to "bundled" channel price models, it makes me scratch my head. It could be the greatest thing since sliced bread, or it could be market consolidation.
Not that it directly affects me, as a streamer, since my max concurrents of 3 puts me a LOOOOONG way from partnership or even thinking I'm worth watching. :D
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On February 05 2013 09:27 Alexj wrote:PS. All that said, $5 will probably be too high for a single channel subscription. We should push Twitch to lower the subscription cost ot $3-4, while still giving $2-2.5 of it to streamers. Current 50/50 split doesn't seem fair (it may be well-founded economically, but not seeming fair still counts)
Streamers can set their subscription rates to whatever they want, and it doesn't even need to be monthly. I agree though, a lot of people are paying for subscriptions that they don't really want, but I still would rather see that money go towards streamers than to Twitch.
On February 05 2013 10:42 banzaiib wrote:
I use adblock, and I'm not sure why the vast majority of people don't. I'm not saying anyone should or should not use it, I'm just saying I fricking love it. yeah yeah... you can say, "well if everyone did that, there would be nothing to watch," but that isn't true. Twitch and youtube would just figure out a way around it. Bottom line is, adblock is not seriously enough affecting "impressions" to warrant doing anything about it directly... unless I'm completely wrong and twitch has yet to implement a solution, but I see this "subscription move" on twitch's part as evidence against that. They're simply making bank on the vast majority of peoples' ignorance of adblock and how to use it. I watched ads during the superbowl, because I couldn't block them, but 1/2 the time, i just muted the TV (they were pretty bad... I mean, how the hell was there a pistacio harvesting commercial during the damned superbowl... but I digress). Are you saying I shouldn't mute my TV? Same logic as saying I shouldn't use adblock. <shrug>
adblock negates about 70% of paid impressions, so yes, you're incorrect. Sure it's not killing the industry, but streaming is barely sustainable as is. As a corollary to your argument about everyone using adblock, I would say, if nobody used adblock, we would have a lot more people willing to stream part-time or full-time, and they'd have a much easier time doing so with more realistic (400-600) viewerbases. You should disable it for streams that you support.
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pay for gom, pay for mlg gold pay for proleague, pay for nasl. i'm tapped out on money to spend now and twitch offers nothing substantial for $8.99 anyhow. twitch would have probably been better off opting for a pay what you want strategy. all the cheapskates use adblock anyway while other people can choose how much they want to pledge.
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Can sb explain me why our lovely spam advertisement industry is such a bitch when it comes to internet advertising?
I don't look at them in my weekly newspaper or monthly magazin, I even didnt watch one commercial on Superbowl. Cant serious remember one product and i watched the whole thing...btw the half time show was boring this season. Somehow they are just interested in "Stream Viewers" and thats it. Why not same way with internet ?
And Turbo is in my opinion a nice thing for twitch but just wreck the subs button with this option.
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On February 05 2013 11:32 Terranist wrote:
pay for gom, pay for mlg gold pay for proleague, pay for nasl. i'm tapped out on money to spend now and twitch offers nothing substantial for $8.99 anyhow. twitch would have probably been better off opting for a pay what you want strategy. all the cheapskates use adblock anyway while other people can choose how much they want to pledge.
Actually, I think most people pay for the user icon.
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Imo, the subscriber benefits are pathetic. The idea in general is fine, but I don't see anything worthwhile that would inspire me to spend 9 bucks. Hell, I can watch an endless slew of professionally created movies and tv shows for less than that via netflix.
Again, I like the idea, and believe they should aim for a better payment plan than merely ads, but some more interesting benefits would be nice.
However, as someone mentioned, if things turn into a system where only x amount of viewers per region can watch w/o paying, then the subscription would mean more for me. But as it is, I've never run into a problem of not being allowed/able to watch a stream.
Edit: Nvm, I forgot how much I've always wanted taupe as my text color.
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so how does the streamer benefit from this? do they get any money out of this when the premium viewers are on their stream or does twitch just implement this now because zero competition and allows them to make more money and screw out the streamers.... esports!
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As soon as I get a part time job Ill get this. Love twitch, and I understand that not everyone can get the full quality service that twitch has to offer since the number of viewers are staggering.
I tend to lag a lot when I watch specific streams, like Korok's for example. Im sure if you've been around twitch long enough, you've discovered certain streams that lag for you specifically even though you know 100% sure that its not on your end.
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I don't think it's a bad thing twitch makes more money and if you don't want so sub to like 5 different channels you can just get the turbo thingy. I'm rather shocked how the majority uses ad-block. It's so easy to sit through 20 seconds of this stuff and do something different for a second to support the streamer,the site or your favorite youtuber.
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It's only a matter of time until premium content on Twitch is reserved for people that fork out more money. I can't imagine this model working out for MLG or ESL. Next month: "now introducing Turbo Gold Premium"
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they should integrate a donation system like Afreeca's balloons/stickers, I would totally shoot balloons at my favorite streamers lol. It honestly adds a lot to the viewer/broadcaster dynamic and makes watching streams much more enjoyable lol
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honestly nothing i would pay for
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On February 05 2013 13:02 brieN wrote:
so how does the streamer benefit from this? do they get any money out of this when the premium viewers are on their stream or does twitch just implement this now because zero competition and allows them to make more money and screw out the streamers.... esports!
Read the article please, Ad-free Twitch: No pre-rolls, no mid-rolls, no companions, no display ads, and broadcasters still get paid. All you see are front-page takeovers. they are still counting the person with Turbo as seeing the add.
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would be nice if they'd just fix the way the application works with ads. So many times the stream would freeze after an ad, or stay black screen with audio, etc etc. Wouldn't mind sitting through the ad if I didn't have to sit through it every time it freezes and I have to reload.
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Hmm i really think this will be better for the players.
Many, many people use adblock (OH HELLO I AM AN AD YOU CAN'T MUTE SUP SON), but quite a few wouldn't mind 9$ a month.
Yep, really like it will consider subscriping.
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On February 05 2013 11:09 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 10:42 banzaiib wrote:
I use adblock, and I'm not sure why the vast majority of people don't. I'm not saying anyone should or should not use it, I'm just saying I fricking love it. yeah yeah... you can say, "well if everyone did that, there would be nothing to watch," but that isn't true. Twitch and youtube would just figure out a way around it. Bottom line is, adblock is not seriously enough affecting "impressions" to warrant doing anything about it directly... unless I'm completely wrong and twitch has yet to implement a solution, but I see this "subscription move" on twitch's part as evidence against that. They're simply making bank on the vast majority of peoples' ignorance of adblock and how to use it. I watched ads during the superbowl, because I couldn't block them, but 1/2 the time, i just muted the TV (they were pretty bad... I mean, how the hell was there a pistacio harvesting commercial during the damned superbowl... but I digress). Are you saying I shouldn't mute my TV? Same logic as saying I shouldn't use adblock. <shrug>
<3 You are wrong. Adblock is cutting ad revenue for the sites/streamers by way more then 50%.
Cutting into it short term yes, long term no, making people watch ads just to support streamers when they have no intention of buying the products in the first place does nothing other than lower the CPM rate for the ad because the company isnt getting the return they expect.
Example, company gets 1000 impressions, they expect $20 in sales from it, so the CPM will be $10
Lets say people stopped using adblock, and just watched to support, say its 20% of people do this. that turns this 1000 impressions into 800 because 200 are completely pointless and will never buy the product. This means that the company doesn't see a $20 sale, they see $16 so the next time they buy addspace they will lower the CPM to accomodate for the reduction in sales.
This was a rough off the top of my head but you should get the point. In the long run let adblock people adblock but just tell them to piss off if they EVER ask for anything from the streamer or organisation running the stream because they are useless to them.
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I'd rather donate $9 to the developers of AdBlock.
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Does no other adblock user feel guilty for using it when watching streams? It seriously hurts me when I find myself enjoying streams that I'm not subbed to because I know I'm stealing from the streamer.
$9 to alleviate that guilt is fine by me. I really don't care how much goes to twitch since it makes me feel like less of a dick.
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