On December 25 2012 16:15 Flaccid wrote: Honest question:
How can there be a thread with any real discussion involving a felon shooting a bunch of firefighters and not allow folks to talk about guns? I understand that people get pissy about it one way or another, but otherwise it's just 'well gosh that sucks' without really talking about anything useful.
I don't read General as often as I'd like, but do these threads just go full retard each an every time without accomplishing anything? I guess that'd make sense.
They just want to keep everything organized. This isn't the thread for gun control debate. This is the thread for people to discuss which psychotic method should have been used to dispose of this psychopath if he hadn't been such a "pussy" and killed himself.
Because we all know what the real tragedy is here...
A volunteer firefighter and a police officer on christmas eve.. There are so many tragedies in the United States, I don't know what to say. My thougts with the families of course.
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote: I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.
It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.
No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.
Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine. 50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote: I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.
Because the majority of convicted killers don't murder firefighters on Christmas eve. It's an anomaly.
But they do have a tendency to repeat their crimes. Am I wrong in saying that? One could say that this particular criminal picked unusual targets and committed the crime at an unusual time..
It depends on what happens in prisons. Look up scandinavic countries. They release people from prisons, and most of the time the crime is never repeated and they become law-abiding citizens.
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote: I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.
It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.
No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.
Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine. 50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.
... do you really think things are gonna pan out that way ? .Anyway your signature show me how much of fallatious argument you can come up with
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote: I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.
It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.
No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.
Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine. 50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.
I think people in prisons should work hard and earn their living at least partially (or fully if they are skilled). Combined with proper counselling it actually may help them become law-abiding citizens faster (and it would be much cheaper for tax payers).
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote: I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.
It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.
No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.
Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine. 50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.
Your argument would have validity. If, and only if the death penatly wasn't 10x more expensive than putting someone behind bars for life. It's such a common myth that the death penalty is cheaper than sentencing for life.
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote: I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.
Because the majority of convicted killers don't murder firefighters on Christmas eve. It's an anomaly.
But they do have a tendency to repeat their crimes. Am I wrong in saying that? One could say that this particular criminal picked unusual targets and committed the crime at an unusual time..
It depends on what happens in prisons. Look up scandinavic countries. They release people from prisons, and most of the time the crime is never repeated and they become law-abiding citizens.
I suppose it's a matter of how you approach the prison system. From what I have seen, Americans regard prison as an institution to punish people, where Scandinavians try to rehabilitate their criminals.
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote: I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.
It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.
No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.
Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine. 50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.
Your argument would have validity. If, and only if the death penatly wasn't 10x more expensive than putting someone behind bars for life. It's such a common myth that the death penalty is cheaper than sentencing for life.
What is expensive about one bullet to the head? The system needs to be streamlined.
I think people in prisons should work hard and earn their living at least partially (or fully if they are skilled). Combined with proper counselling it actually may help them become law-abiding citizens faster (and it would be much cheaper for tax payers).
Then they just undercut wages in the private sector.Growing all their own food is fine but actually manufacturing stuff that is then onsold in the private sector? well i am against it.
Probably got the gun from a legal owner. The same way kids (and other mass shooters) get their drugs and guns from the easiest source available, their parents.
A sad thing to happen at this time of year. Thoughts and prayers with everyone suffering some hardship at this time.
On December 25 2012 21:19 TheSwamp wrote: I guess an arbitrary amount of time spent in a little box doesn't make a killer into a normal person.
It is really like sitting a two year old in the corner and expecting them to come out the other end never to draw on walls again. I love the way you put this though.
another psychopath tearing other innocent peoples lives and families apart.
so fucking pathetic.
another tragedy which could have been prevented if only we had more good guys with guns.
Yes, I hope we all learned a lesson here. Firefighters need assault rifles or better yet RPGs as standard equipment to protect themselves against psychos so scenes like this dont happen anymore.
Since you're from canada, i have reason to believe your post was sarcasm, but im not sure. Or maybe you meant more police officers. In any case, more guns is never the solution.
EPT
