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Do not discuss gun control, or the right to own/use guns in this thread. Please take any such discussion to this thread or you will be banned.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
December 25 2012 07:34 GMT
#121
On December 25 2012 15:14 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 15:12 dreamsmasher wrote:
On December 25 2012 15:10 paradox719 wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:19 Tarot wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

You guys already have the highest incarceration rate in the world (by far). I think it's a bit past just keeping criminals in prisons longer.


We should start executing them.

Seems to work for Singapore.


no desire to ever live there, I would rather not live in the United States if it became like singapore.


-_- have you been to Singapore, it's a great country / city, clean streets, nice food, nice weather, fine security, good standard of living.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159254/latin-americans-positive-world.aspx#1
Sounds like a swell place!
ChosenBrad1322
Profile Joined April 2012
United States562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 07:39:06
December 25 2012 07:38 GMT
#122
On December 25 2012 09:59 peekn wrote:
Jesus... This has to stop. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before we start doing something. These random acts are so terrible.

My thoughts with their family's.


Edit: Nvm I just noticed the update to NOT discuss any sort of law.

Thoughts and prayers to the victims, its rough what is going on now a days :/
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
December 25 2012 07:48 GMT
#123
On December 25 2012 16:34 nttea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 15:14 Caihead wrote:
On December 25 2012 15:12 dreamsmasher wrote:
On December 25 2012 15:10 paradox719 wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:19 Tarot wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

You guys already have the highest incarceration rate in the world (by far). I think it's a bit past just keeping criminals in prisons longer.


We should start executing them.

Seems to work for Singapore.


no desire to ever live there, I would rather not live in the United States if it became like singapore.


-_- have you been to Singapore, it's a great country / city, clean streets, nice food, nice weather, fine security, good standard of living.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159254/latin-americans-positive-world.aspx#1
Sounds like a swell place!

For what it's worth, the stat is for those responding "yes". A lot of Singaporeans ostensibly could be responding with no comments or generally be annoyed by the questions (such is their culture). I think there was an Economist editorial from someone who had lived in Singapore for many years questioning the veracity of the survey. But I don't want to derail too far to Singapore.

This was yet another terrible, terrible tragedy this year, and it's just so shocking that firefighters, of all people, were apparently targeted man...
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 03:10:26
December 25 2012 07:52 GMT
#124
Another shooting in America?? Man...my heart goes out to you guys, this has certainly been a rough year for ya First it's kids, now it's Firefighters...this especially pisses me off coz firefighters, like paramedics, are there on call all the time to save lives and provide a very valuable service.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17694 Posts
December 25 2012 07:56 GMT
#125
Fuck this makes me angry. Shooting at firefighters and paramedics who are trying to do their job is truly wrong and evil.

My deepest condolences to the families.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
December 25 2012 08:01 GMT
#126
On December 25 2012 11:14 Vore210 wrote:
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On December 25 2012 10:58 Gunther wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:51 Vore210 wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.


The real question is why wasn't he properly rehabilitated. When 60-74% of your incarcerated criminals re-offend within 3 years, you know your "lock em up to sort em out" mentality is not working.

And yet no doubt lots of people will call for stricter sentencing. I really despair of Average Joe sometimes.

Putting them away for life would be 100% effective in stopping them from committing another murder too.


As if that's a reasonable, humanitarian or possible solution.


Let's get real though. The system is already overburdened with costs. Adding additional expenses to cover to personal rehabilitation of every criminal in the US system as they do in, say, Norway, would be unrealistically expensive. Wouldn't it?

I know nothing on this subject really, so maybe it's actually the case that the fancy sort of rehab they advocate for in certain EU countries such as Norway is not actually as fancy as it appears, and actually costs far less to sustain. I'd like to know more about this, if anyone happens to know...
jckwik
Profile Joined June 2008
United States7 Posts
December 25 2012 08:11 GMT
#127
I also live about 5 minutes from where this happened. I spent the day today dealing with friends and neighbors who knew the victims. One was my age, a year or so out of high school. The other was also a police officer and a very respected member of the community. Both taken well before their time.

I don't want to argue about gun laws (and can't now), because that's not the point of what happened today. What happened today was a tragedy of human lives being needlessly thrown away by a man no longer capable of reasonable human thought. This was not a ploy for attention. The asshole shot himself after he'd done the deed. You don't do something for attention just to kill yourself (not unless you're a terrorist and you're actually delivering a message with it).

Also, I don't think the media blew it out of proportion. In a large country it made top news headlines, yes, and it most likely was not the ABSOLUTE worst thing to happen in America today. However, it needed to be mentioned that 'hey, even people who are trying to protect the public are no longer safe from psychos'. It becomes out of proportion if it's top news for the next week as well. And for us here in Webster, it's going to be news for a while, because we lost two respected members. It's going to take time for the entire town to cope, and while some people may just disregard this story, respect should be paid because it's not just the two brave men who died, but it's also about the family, friends, and community that now has to pick up the pieces.

Thank you for all your kind words in this thread, and thank you for taking the time to read my thoughts on this.
CycoDude
Profile Joined November 2010
United States326 Posts
December 25 2012 08:15 GMT
#128
what the fuck is wrong with people? also, why is a convicted killer free??
Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
December 25 2012 08:20 GMT
#129
Setting a Trap and killing Firefighters, srsly? Thats a new one, and just fucking disgusting.
President of the ReaL Fan Club.
darkmetabee
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada24 Posts
December 25 2012 08:24 GMT
#130
...
Speechless.
Murdering those who put their lives on the line everyday.
You betcha they would have risked their life to save you murderer.
Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
December 25 2012 08:25 GMT
#131
People with murderous intent will murder, regardless of guns.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 25 2012 08:31 GMT
#132
On December 25 2012 17:25 Pulselol wrote:
People with murderous intent will murder, regardless of guns.

However, I imagine that four firefighters could stop a man who wasn't wielding a gun. Worst case, he might have killed one and injured another.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
December 25 2012 08:52 GMT
#133
its incredibly sad and infuriating that people who are waiting on call solely for the purpose of going out to help and save peoples lives get killed like that

and that fucking terrible murderder coward takes his life

arghlasjdklsahdlasj
byah!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 25 2012 09:57 GMT
#134
Really sad news, my condolences to the family of those who passed away and my prayers for those two firefighters who are currently fighting for their lives in the hospital. Hope that this kind of tragedy never happens again, one can dream
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
December 25 2012 10:06 GMT
#135
Disgusting, RIP especially on xmas eve
Live and Let Die!
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
December 25 2012 10:27 GMT
#136
Maybe it's time to reconsider the death penalty.

Bludgeon an elderly woman with a hammer, live to see the light of day? Really?

I don't believe in reforming the antisocial and the deranged, I never have and I never will.

Each one of us only gets one chance, and so should they.
Avarail
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom17 Posts
December 25 2012 10:30 GMT
#137
this is horrible, firefighters save life, they were trying to help and they got a bullet in return
"You're gonna eat lightnin' and you're gonna crap thunder! " micky,rocky
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
December 25 2012 10:34 GMT
#138
this is the fucking saddest thing I've read about in months.. and I read a lot of sad shit :/
get rich or die mining
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4393 Posts
December 25 2012 10:42 GMT
#139
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.This guy was obviously a nutjob - should have at least been locked up in a mental home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
December 25 2012 11:51 GMT
#140
On December 25 2012 19:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.

No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
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