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http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Houstonarea police officer bystander fatally shot after/7742088/story.html
HOUSTON - A traffic stop turned into a fatal shooting on Christmas Eve when a gunman killed a police officer and bystander in the parking lot of a Houston body shop, police said.
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The suspect, identified by Cannon as Harlem Harold Lewis, 21, and the white truck eventually pulled into a nearby Maaco body shop, where Bellaire police Cpl. Jimmie Norman approached the vehicle. Cannon said an argument apparently erupted, and the suspect pulled out a .380 calibre handgun and shot Norman.
"The saddest thing is that the officer, who is deceased, didn't have the opportunity to pull his weapon and defend himself," Cannon said. "It happened that fast."
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He said a man then walked out of the body shop, and the suspect shot him.
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^^ Yeah, this is a country of 300,000,000+ people. Someone gets shot every day. Big shock.
By the way, I am still waiting on the OP to provide a source for his claim that the man had an assault rifle. I haven't been able to find any yet.
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This is so absolutely terrible....
RIP
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Prayers with the families and everyone affected. Such a sad story.
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On December 25 2012 13:02 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 12:32 Jormundr wrote:On December 25 2012 11:51 Pufftrees wrote:On December 25 2012 11:42 Jormundr wrote:On December 25 2012 11:35 Pufftrees wrote:
Feel terrible for the family and friends of the victims, very sad.
To the people who want US to make the firearms illegal, maybe we should just make murder illegal instead... solve the root of the problem Very catty, Mr. Slax, but the reality is that we should probably have a lot more stringent gun laws. Our gun laws are far more lax than our drug laws, and see relatively zero enforcement comparatively. as successful as the war on drugs is, I think sometimes less government intervention is better True. But there should be a higher standard for legal gun ownership, more incentive to sell arms back to the government, and quick elimination of the 'grey areas' involved in firearm trades. For too long the government has acted like a sloth in filling this void. Overall disarmament should be the goal of any population that is not at constant war, but we'd be lokky if this was achieved within the next 50 years. I don't see any reason at all that we should work towards disarmament here. Fact is, the killer in this instance, as a convicted felon who had, in the past murdered a family member was already not allowed to own a firearm - and he had one. People who want guns are going to get ahold of them - the only thing gun control laws do is remove them from the possesion of people on the other side.
You're making a circular argument. Guns are too easy to get, so we need guns. This is DPRK level propaganda from the NRA (the lobby for gun manufacturers). The hilarious part is that the NRA benefits as much from the 'ruthless criminals' owning guns as much as they do from the so called 'law abiding citizens' who own guns. With the exceptions of countries that have mandatory military service and training and those that are currently unstable, (think Somalia, Israel, Sudan, Congo) disarmament is ideal. Mandatory military service is an exception to the rule because it generally has a system to weed out the people who break under stress, as well as periodic tests to make sure that their constituents are not insane. Background checks, ethics tests, and basic military tactic classes should be prerequisites for owning a gun. You should understand basic concepts such as bullet penetration through common building materials, establishing and evaluating the extent of damage done to friendlies in your field of fire, and be able to fire within a basic accuracy range.
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strange i haven't seen this on any of the major stations or websites. this is one fucked up story though.
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how did a convicted killer obtain an assault rifle???
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On December 25 2012 13:06 izmatic wrote:
so for all those using the backs of dead fireman to further advocate their arguement of banning guns. This man was a convicted felon, guns WERE BANNED for him. we see how well that stopped him from getting one. Soooooo can we just grieve for the dead a bit before hurling our arguements from our morally high soap boxes
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Just makes me sad that there are such fucked up people in this world.
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On December 25 2012 13:26 SEA KarMa wrote:
how did a convicted killer obtain an assault rifle???
Illegal means I assume. I mean he is a convicted killer and doing criminal things isn't far out of reach for him.
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.....ok the only think that i can come up with that make sence is although i wasent too keen on it ... i think morgan freeman may be actually true when he says media glorification of killer (ex we always know the name of the killer but not the victims )is a part of the problem.Sound to me like someone that wanted to go out in the spotlight
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This just has been a terrible year in general...wtf is up with all the shootings lately...
And you would be surprised how easy it is to purchase a gun whether it auto or semi, legal or illegally in the US in some states
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On December 25 2012 13:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:
^^ Yeah, this is a country of 300,000,000+ people. Someone gets shot every day. Big shock.
By the way, I am still waiting on the OP to provide a source for his claim that the man had an assault rifle. I haven't been able to find any yet.
Yea. It is a big shock. There's going to be a some kids out there who found out their dad died on Christmas eve.
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How does a convicted killer gets his hands on a assault rifle?
That's just the thing, he doesn't do it LEGALLY.
So anything that the government does to hamper LEGAL gun control is just leaving people defenseless against criminals who regardless of laws, would continue to get their weaponry illegally.
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On December 25 2012 13:53 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:
^^ Yeah, this is a country of 300,000,000+ people. Someone gets shot every day. Big shock.
By the way, I am still waiting on the OP to provide a source for his claim that the man had an assault rifle. I haven't been able to find any yet. Yea. It is a big shock. There's going to be a some kids out there who found out their dad died on Christmas eve.
And there's going to be a hundred other families who receive the shock of a family member dying in a car accident, or dying of heart disease or dying of.... etc. etc. HUNDREDS of families, all on Christmas Eve. lt's tragic, but it's part of life.
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On December 25 2012 13:57 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:53 a176 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:
^^ Yeah, this is a country of 300,000,000+ people. Someone gets shot every day. Big shock.
By the way, I am still waiting on the OP to provide a source for his claim that the man had an assault rifle. I haven't been able to find any yet. Yea. It is a big shock. There's going to be a some kids out there who found out their dad died on Christmas eve. And there's going to be a hundred other families who receive the shock of a family member dying in a car accident, or dying of heart disease or dying of.... etc. etc. HUNDREDS of families, all on Christmas Eve. lt's tragic, but it's part of life.
I'm sorry but you are going off on a tangent here. We are talking about a murder not an accident, what's wrong with you?
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On December 25 2012 14:02 leo23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:57 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 13:53 a176 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:
^^ Yeah, this is a country of 300,000,000+ people. Someone gets shot every day. Big shock.
By the way, I am still waiting on the OP to provide a source for his claim that the man had an assault rifle. I haven't been able to find any yet. Yea. It is a big shock. There's going to be a some kids out there who found out their dad died on Christmas eve. And there's going to be a hundred other families who receive the shock of a family member dying in a car accident, or dying of heart disease or dying of.... etc. etc. HUNDREDS of families, all on Christmas Eve. lt's tragic, but it's part of life. I'm sorry but you are going off on a tangent here. We are talking about a murder not an accident, what's wrong with you?
he also dodged the 2 guy answering for source of an assault rifle .. haha 
back to topic ... to add to my previous post . i think this shocks me even more than the last shotting we had. I am not really sure why .volunteer fireman too ... so fucked up
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On December 25 2012 14:02 leo23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:57 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 13:53 a176 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:
^^ Yeah, this is a country of 300,000,000+ people. Someone gets shot every day. Big shock.
By the way, I am still waiting on the OP to provide a source for his claim that the man had an assault rifle. I haven't been able to find any yet. Yea. It is a big shock. There's going to be a some kids out there who found out their dad died on Christmas eve. And there's going to be a hundred other families who receive the shock of a family member dying in a car accident, or dying of heart disease or dying of.... etc. etc. HUNDREDS of families, all on Christmas Eve. lt's tragic, but it's part of life. I'm sorry but you are going off on a tangent here. We are talking about a murder not an accident, what's wrong with you?
Murder has been illegal for a long time. Obviously what we are talking about here is the statistical probability of death.
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