EPTOn December 25 2012 11:03 Bobgrimly wrote:
Did he play violent video games too? What will the media blame for this one?
Did he play violent video games too? What will the media blame for this one?
The media didn't blame games, the NRA did.
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CaffeineFree-_-
United States712 Posts
The media didn't blame games, the NRA did. | ||
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Ratch!
Peru258 Posts
Seriously, the guns on the US are a serious problem. And it's a tragedy being on Christmas eve. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On December 25 2012 11:08 CaffeineFree-_- wrote: The media didn't blame games, the NRA did. No, they did. http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/12/19/cnn-picks-their-game-to-blame-starcraft/ | ||
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Vore210
Ireland256 Posts
On December 25 2012 10:58 Gunther wrote: Putting them away for life would be 100% effective in stopping them from committing another murder too. As if that's a reasonable, humanitarian or possible solution. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On December 25 2012 11:14 Vore210 wrote: As if that's a reasonable, humanitarian or possible solution. Also, technically it wouldn't be 100% effective since there's nothing stopping them from killing another prisoner or guard. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 25 2012 11:13 Ratch! wrote: A 62 year old gamer I assume. Seriously, the guns on the US are a serious problem. And it's a tragedy being on Christmas eve. This guy killed his grandmother with a hammer. A gun was not needed to do this, he could have rigged a propane tank and blew them up for all that it mattered. It's his is mental state. The guns make it easier for people to kill people, but a crazy person with a lot of time can find a hundred other ways. | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
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thurst0n
United States611 Posts
On December 25 2012 09:59 peekn wrote: Jesus... This has to stop. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before we start doing something. These random acts are so terrible. My thoughts with their family's. The problem is it's really not as easy as simply "doing something". Making my clothes clean, feeding myself.. These are things that all I have to do is do something to make them happen. Obviously emotions run high in times like this. Personally I don't think anyone needs an assault rifle in their home, or for hunting. Hunting is/was a sport. Animals are even referred to as 'game'. I don't see the game in killing animals with an assault rifle. I'm not sure the necessity of that. Some people wouldn't even agree to hunting as a sport, they would say killing animals should only be done if it's for food or to end the suffering of the animal. Yet others would say we don't even need to kill animals for sustenance. So you see how hard it is to "just do something". No matter what you propose there will be people who outright oppose you for whatever reason. The real solutions is to create a society where these types of things are less common. It should also be noted that the frequency and commonality of these types of things is much more profound today that it would have been 10-15 years ago. Even if these types of murders were more common by a factor of 10, there simply wasn't a 24 hour news cycle, and people weren't as engaged. I may very well be wrong, but I believe 10-15 years ago, only the most astute news readers would get wind of this story. I'm only 26, so I don't have any actual basis or frame of reference for this. Day 9 always talks about being able to identify the underlying problem, and not merely the symptoms or surface issues. I believe that guns are tools. Tools are only the surface. Of course it's easier to kill someone with a sharp edge than a dull blade, much the same it's easier to kill someone firing 60 bullets a minute rather than 5 or 10. Some tools shouldn't be freely and readily available (chemical/nuclear weapons, assault rifles etc) but the stark reality is that if people want to hurt people they will. This is not my novel idea or thought. I think it was on reddit that I saw this visualized pretty well. Fertilizer, bullets, an airplane. These are just tools. The real problem is the people. First of all; too many kids are taught to hate from birth. I'm not talking about being taught physiological and physical differences between different races of humanity. I'm talking about they are taught that a skin color or sexual orientation actually makes another human not human. They have no respect for these people that aren't like them. They don't try to understand and they don't care to understand. They don't call it hate, because to them it's normal; not taboo. I don't think this particular type of teaching is what leads to the horrible events that happened recently in Connecticut and New York. I just think this is a major problem in our society that makes everything else harder. I think the real problem is that people don't have access to real help. It's interesting to me how many fallacies and illogical processes their are in our society (USA, I don't pretend to speak for Europe or any other country, each country is VERY different). Most people you talk to see no merit in many of the ways our society works, and even the most layman of the laymen can think of common sense ways to make things more efficient and better, but bureaucratic and politics constantly gets in the way. Imprisonment, education, welfare, you name it and pretty much everyone can think of a better way to do things. The bottom line is that we don't help each other. I realize that we are a capitalistic country but why does that mean we have to give up our values? If someone needs help they should get it as long as they aren't actively trying to leech off of society. If someone needs food they should have food as long as they contribute to society in some way. We aren't fighting for resources any more (or yet). We can afford to help each other out and work together. But it goes further than food. If someone needs mental help they should get that too. If your mother/father, brother/sister wasn't able to feed themselves, would you feed them? If they couldn't afford to buy food, would you help them with that? Or would you let them stay on your couch if they didn't have a place to live? What about your neighbor? Why are other members of the community any different? Bottom line people need real help and they can't get it. The tools that people use to hurt others is not the problem. I don't know what the real answers are but I think we can start acting like a community not just in our little niches'. Not just with our close personal friends that we're comfortable with, but everyone in our lives. If you're really only living to own things and make money, then why don't you go steal and rob a bank? The end result is the same, you'll have more thrill doing it. Society is people coming together to create something better. If you only care about yourself anyways, then please do not call yourself part of my society, you haven't done anything real to contribute to my society? Going to work 9-5 is not contributing to society. Instead of a plea for someone to do SOMETHING. Ask yourself what have you done to help prevent such atrocities? This should probably have been a blog. We are in this together, lets start acting like it huh? | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On December 25 2012 11:17 SafeAsCheese wrote: This guy killed his grandmother with a hammer. A gun was not needed to do this, he could have rigged a propane tank and blew them up for all that it mattered. It's his is mental state. The guns make it easier for people to kill people, but a crazy person with a lot of time can find a hundred other ways. How many murders-by-propane tank have happened? Or any other elaborate device? So far the only people I can think of are those guys who did the Oklahoma City bombing, the unibomber and that guy who sent out that poison in the mail around September 11th. And obviously September 11th, although that will never happen in that fashion again. So that is 4-5 major incidents over the last almost 20 years. Now compare that to the number of gun deaths caused by maniacs. Seems like the presence of guns make it much more likely that an insane person will succeed in murder. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On December 25 2012 11:08 CaffeineFree-_- wrote: The media didn't blame games, the NRA did. Right, the media blames guns. One short clip from CNN doesn't refute that either. | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
R.I.P. all those serving in the line of duty. Much respect. | ||
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Kyhol
Canada2575 Posts
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KwarK
United States43989 Posts
On December 25 2012 11:06 Xpace wrote: But they do have a tendency to repeat their crimes. Am I wrong in saying that? One could say that this particular criminal picked unusual targets and committed the crime at an unusual time.. A proportion of convicted criminals will become reoffenders. On the other hand, a proportion of non offenders will become first time offenders. I think the system works better if you don't punish people pre-emptively. | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
On December 25 2012 11:20 thurst0n wrote: Day 9 always talks about being able to identify the underlying problem, and not merely the symptoms or surface issues. I believe that guns are tools. Tools are only the surface. Of course it's easier to kill someone with a sharp edge than a dull blade, much the same it's easier to kill someone firing 60 bullets a minute rather than 5 or 10. Some tools shouldn't be freely and readily available (chemical/nuclear weapons, assault rifles etc) but the stark reality is that if people want to hurt people they will. This is not my novel idea or thought. I think it was on reddit that I saw this visualized pretty well. Fertilizer, bullets, an airplane. These are just tools. The real problem is the people. Indeed, and that's why I'm advocating for the freedom for every American man to bear biological weapon. To protect himself and his family from a world gone crazy. Do you think Jew people would have had to suffer such oppression during WW2 would they have had free access to biological weapons? | ||
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Cocoba
Canada352 Posts
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
To the people who want US to make the firearms illegal, maybe we should just make murder illegal instead... solve the root of the problem | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On December 25 2012 10:19 Tarot wrote: You guys already have the highest incarceration rate in the world (by far). I think it's a bit past just keeping criminals in prisons longer. Can't argue that but is a convicted killer really one of the guys we let go? This isn't some random dude who got caught with pot, had a buncha tickets, didn't show up to court, or some other random non-violent offense. He's a convicted murderer, he should be in there for life. Not setting places on fire and then killing volunteer firefighters with an assault rifle. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On December 25 2012 11:35 Pufftrees wrote: Feel terrible for the family and friends of the victims, very sad. To the people who want US to make the firearms illegal, maybe we should just make murder illegal instead... solve the root of the problem Very catty, Mr. Slax, but the reality is that we should probably have a lot more stringent gun laws. Our gun laws are far more lax than our drug laws, and see relatively zero enforcement comparatively. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
EDIT: he owned a assault rifle? double wtf. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
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