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On December 25 2012 11:42 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 11:35 Pufftrees wrote:
Feel terrible for the family and friends of the victims, very sad.
To the people who want US to make the firearms illegal, maybe we should just make murder illegal instead... solve the root of the problem Very catty, Mr. Slax, but the reality is that we should probably have a lot more stringent gun laws. Our gun laws are far more lax than our drug laws, and see relatively zero enforcement comparatively.
as successful as the war on drugs is, I think sometimes less government intervention is better
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Please no mass media attention about the killer, its obvious that he wanted attention from this killing because he chose to kill firefighters.... Lets just focus on the victims
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RIP - Condolences to the families of these people.
No doubt the gun control policy will be an issue but sometimes there will always be black sheep in humanity. No one will understand how did events happen but taking the lives of innocents, one must wonder what was this man thinking.
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This happened about 5 minutes from me, and about 2 minutes from my grandma's house. Pretty sickening. My dad knows one of the survivors, who got shot in the butt and is having pelvis/spine complications.
Don't know what to say, I don't feel like getting into the gun control debate or the media coverage debate or the mental health debate right now.
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This is so wrong on so many levels. How did this convicted killer get hold of a weapon? And why is he free? How on earth is that possible? So many people must have done a really shitty job and that made it possible for this mentally fuked person to do this. This must be the nail in the coffin for the gun law debate. At least i hope so. Or will the gun lobbiests say that the firefighters should be escorted by the police or carry guns themselves?
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What the fuck? on Christmas Eve?  RIP
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The perfect post.
If he wasn't armed with a gun, I wonder just how many of them he could've killed.. Oh wait, none.
I guess firefighters should be armed too now according to NRA-logic? Those poor families, the argument keeps getting more ridiculous (pro-arms advocates of course).
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On December 25 2012 11:51 Pufftrees wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 11:42 Jormundr wrote:On December 25 2012 11:35 Pufftrees wrote:
Feel terrible for the family and friends of the victims, very sad.
To the people who want US to make the firearms illegal, maybe we should just make murder illegal instead... solve the root of the problem Very catty, Mr. Slax, but the reality is that we should probably have a lot more stringent gun laws. Our gun laws are far more lax than our drug laws, and see relatively zero enforcement comparatively. as successful as the war on drugs is, I think sometimes less government intervention is better
True. But there should be a higher standard for legal gun ownership, more incentive to sell arms back to the government, and quick elimination of the 'grey areas' involved in firearm trades. For too long the government has acted like a sloth in filling this void. Overall disarmament should be the goal of any population that is not at constant war, but we'd be lokky if this was achieved within the next 50 years.
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Starting to get the feeling that corrupt people in the U.S. are purposely releasing criminals/felons that have a high probability to commit crimes that will get on the news to spur up gun control debates. Hearing stories like this always suck, just remember if you live in the USA you have the right to bear arms, and the government/politicians do not care if this is taken away or not in the end, they just want to get re-elected.
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Fuck the world sometimes.
Just fuck the world...
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On December 25 2012 11:30 freakhill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 11:20 thurst0n wrote:
Day 9 always talks about being able to identify the underlying problem, and not merely the symptoms or surface issues. I believe that guns are tools. Tools are only the surface. Of course it's easier to kill someone with a sharp edge than a dull blade, much the same it's easier to kill someone firing 60 bullets a minute rather than 5 or 10. Some tools shouldn't be freely and readily available (chemical/nuclear weapons, assault rifles etc) but the stark reality is that if people want to hurt people they will. This is not my novel idea or thought. I think it was on reddit that I saw this visualized pretty well. Fertilizer, bullets, an airplane. These are just tools. The real problem is the people. Indeed, and that's why I'm advocating for the freedom for every American man to bear biological weapon. To protect himself and his family from a world gone crazy. Do you think Jew people would have had to suffer such oppression during WW2 would they have had free access to biological weapons?
Short answer. Yes I do.
I was raised Jewish but now consider myself atheist. It should be noted that Jews were not the only people targeted by Nazi Germany.
I feel I have to tread lightly, I'm not sure how serious you are about the biological weapons or if you're being 'devils advocate'. But I"ll bite.
I just don't think any society needs biological weapons. I do live in the real world, and I will be the first to point out when people are trying to be Utopian. There are certain realities we just all have to accept.
Nazi Germany is a horrible analogy. The Nazi regime had complete power of the region, they had the backing of entire communities which would ridicule and demean all those not chosen (or the chosen people ;-)). It's not just about bearing arms, it's also about the right to ASSEMBLE freely. The Jewish people say "Never Again", yet it's happening in other places around the world. I think the saddest thing about this whole thing is that there are systematic executions of people throughout the world, and most people in America don't know about it, if they do they forget about it 5 minutes after the read the news article (I include myself here). Why are 4 murders worse than what's going on in North Korea? Judaism teaches that every life has an infinite value. This logic means that for one person to be murdered is just as bad/wrong as 6 million people.
I just think our focus as a society is consistently on straw men. I am a hypocrite. I do nothing about it. I just hope my awareness eventually can lead to action. I wish the news was talking about real solutions instead of trying to find a scapegoat and trying to monetize everything including these tragedies and literally the worst day of peoples lives.
The story in my eyes is "Man never got the help he needed and ended the life of 4 Firefighters"
On December 25 2012 12:34 Emnjay808 wrote:
Fuck the world sometimes.
Just fuck the world...
Also this.
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I hope this will push a real revolution, not some reformation, of the justice system and the way we look at safety. I really think that at this point it is too easy to get powerful weapons and I think it is time for the U.S. as a country to band together with the notion that guns do kill people, it's not just people that kill people. Also, good that you edited out the pun, it's a bit to early for those  . I hope this furthers the gun debate in a way that is meaningful with so many staunch gun rights groups trying to halt debate.
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You don't mess around with firefighters. No way Jose. Don't mess.
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This makes me sick to think about... I feel so bad for their families...
The world disgusts me at times, I try my best to look at the positive but things like this...
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man this is really really sad... Christmas of all times...
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On December 25 2012 12:32 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 11:51 Pufftrees wrote:On December 25 2012 11:42 Jormundr wrote:On December 25 2012 11:35 Pufftrees wrote:
Feel terrible for the family and friends of the victims, very sad.
To the people who want US to make the firearms illegal, maybe we should just make murder illegal instead... solve the root of the problem Very catty, Mr. Slax, but the reality is that we should probably have a lot more stringent gun laws. Our gun laws are far more lax than our drug laws, and see relatively zero enforcement comparatively. as successful as the war on drugs is, I think sometimes less government intervention is better True. But there should be a higher standard for legal gun ownership, more incentive to sell arms back to the government, and quick elimination of the 'grey areas' involved in firearm trades. For too long the government has acted like a sloth in filling this void. Overall disarmament should be the goal of any population that is not at constant war, but we'd be lokky if this was achieved within the next 50 years.
I don't see any reason at all that we should work towards disarmament here.
Fact is, the killer in this instance, as a convicted felon who had, in the past murdered a family member was already not allowed to own a firearm - and he had one. People who want guns are going to get ahold of them - the only thing gun control laws do is remove them from the possesion of people on the other side.
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I am trying really hard not to post something about gun control.
RIP you guys showed the world there are goodness in mankind, I am sorry that the ugly side of the world has taken your lives.
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so for all those using the backs of dead fireman to further advocate their arguement of banning guns. This man was a convicted felon, guns WERE BANNED for him. we see how well that stopped him from getting one. Soooooo can we just grieve for the dead a bit before hurling our arguements from our morally high soap boxes
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