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Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
December 25 2012 16:26 GMT
#161
On December 25 2012 22:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 22:03 Recognizable wrote:
On December 25 2012 21:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 20:51 kwizach wrote:
On December 25 2012 19:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.

No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.

Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine.
50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.


Your argument would have validity. If, and only if the death penatly wasn't 10x more expensive than putting someone behind bars for life. It's such a common myth that the death penalty is cheaper than sentencing for life.

What is expensive about one bullet to the head?
The system needs to be streamlined.


The legal costs of putting someone on death row and processing a death sentence far outweigh prison costs. Killing someone takes, as it should, enormously more effort in the courts. Those convicted on death row spend an average 178 months, close to 15 years, awaiting execution.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
December 25 2012 16:29 GMT
#162
Pretty fucked up
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elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
December 25 2012 16:32 GMT
#163
Seriously US needs to fix their weapon policy, there should be some kind of research before someone is allowed to just go to a store and buy a gun, its srsly fucked up.

There will always be this kind of shit when mentally retarded people can buy a gun like an child buys candy



User was temp banned for this post.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
December 25 2012 16:34 GMT
#164
I think it's quite unsettling that these types of murders are increasing in occurrence, on top of the rising rate of crime in the United States. These types of crimes where you have someone who decides he wants to have his twisted sense of fun before offing himself are the worse. Imagine yourself in the firefighters shoes. What can you possible do to even know if the call for your help isn't just a random prank to gun you down?
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 16:41:19
December 25 2012 16:39 GMT
#165
That said, this is really some messed up nonsense, no idea what a convicted killer was doing out of prison and why he hated firefighters, but I'm sure the media will continue to dig and exploit the victims for all it's worth just like the school shooting earlier.

Give it a rest, send your condolences and move on, and try to enjoy Christmas knowing that you are fortunate.

Edit: Saw the mod thing, seems kind of ridiculous because the debate was started in the OP, but edited.
Virtue
Profile Joined July 2010
United States318 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 16:57:34
December 25 2012 16:44 GMT
#166
On December 25 2012 11:08 CaffeineFree-_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 11:03 Bobgrimly wrote:
Did he play violent video games too? What will the media blame for this one?

The media didn't blame games, the NRA did.


The media was the first group to blame video games. There was even a thread about it on here because they were trying to blame Starcraft.

Some Democrat senators also blamed video games before the NRA and have proposed a bill to fund a study into the impact of violent video games on children.



I think if anything needs to be looked at a bit more, its the support for mentally ill people in the US. Gun control and Video games just seem to be false paths to a solution for these sorts of killings.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 16:47:03
December 25 2012 16:46 GMT
#167
This is actually heart breaking. Emergency services people who work around Christmas time is always a sad time for family members who don't get to see them, but to top this off, they get murdered on Christmas Eve. The most joyest of holidays around the world

My heart mourns in this sad sad event, i hope the families pull through in this awful awful time
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XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
December 25 2012 17:00 GMT
#168
On December 26 2012 01:26 Trumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 22:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 22:03 Recognizable wrote:
On December 25 2012 21:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 20:51 kwizach wrote:
On December 25 2012 19:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.

No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.

Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine.
50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.


Your argument would have validity. If, and only if the death penatly wasn't 10x more expensive than putting someone behind bars for life. It's such a common myth that the death penalty is cheaper than sentencing for life.

What is expensive about one bullet to the head?
The system needs to be streamlined.


The legal costs of putting someone on death row and processing a death sentence far outweigh prison costs. Killing someone takes, as it should, enormously more effort in the courts. Those convicted on death row spend an average 178 months, close to 15 years, awaiting execution.


Yea, you can't just put put one bullet into the guy's brain that easily.

Unlike criminals, we, as a society, see ourselves on the high moral ground, so we do not act on emotions or on hatred or on desire of vengeance ; but we seek justice (Whatever that means!)

I don't know for the US, but in Canada, even when one is guilty of a crime, if found to be "mad" or psychologically troubled, that person will not be guilty in a criminal way. For the sake of discussion, if we had the death penalty, the persons who are not criminally guilty probably wouldn't be executed

And finally, the reason why it takes so long to send someone to their death is because you want to be 100% sure that there isn't a mistake. A mistake = 1 innocent life taken away. I think there have been many cases, or suspicious cases in your history.
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
December 25 2012 22:23 GMT
#169
"I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down and do what I like doing best - killing people,"

The killers words from the 3 page letter police found.

what a psycho...
byah!
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
December 25 2012 22:32 GMT
#170
I love how even the OP confuses an AR-15 with an assault rifle.
People need to at least do some research into things before they say them.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
December 25 2012 22:43 GMT
#171
This is just disgusting. Who and why would do this?
On the internet if you disagree with or dislike something you're angry and taking it too seriously. == Join TLMafia !
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
December 25 2012 22:47 GMT
#172
Why do convicted criminals for murder are allowed to buy guns in the first place ?
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Diminisherqc
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada220 Posts
December 25 2012 22:49 GMT
#173
On December 26 2012 07:32 Ettick wrote:
I love how even the OP confuses an AR-15 with an assault rifle.
People need to at least do some research into things before they say them.


are you serious ...an ar-15 is basicly a m-16 labeled as semi-automatic for civilian sales...if you tell me a m-16 is not an assault rifle you are lieing to your self even if your playing on words

from wikipedia **The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963**
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 22:53:55
December 25 2012 22:49 GMT
#174
On December 26 2012 07:49 Diminisherqc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 07:32 Ettick wrote:
I love how even the OP confuses an AR-15 with an assault rifle.
People need to at least do some research into things before they say them.


are you serious ...an ar-15 is basicly a m-16 labeled as semi-automatic for civilian sales...if you tell me a m-16 is not an assault rifle you are lieing to your self even if your playing on words

from wikipedia **The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963**

Is a civilian AR-15 a select fire gun?
Last time I checked, it isn't.

Also, in case you don't know, an assault rifle is defined as a select fire rifle that fires an intermediate cartridge.
An AR-15, being only semi-auto, is a military style semiautomatic rifle.
HoLe
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada183 Posts
December 25 2012 23:02 GMT
#175
For my sanity I would love to read a non-american murder story. Or no murder stories would also be cool.

Merry xmas I guess. People make me fucking yack.
Terran.
Diminisherqc
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 23:10:37
December 25 2012 23:05 GMT
#176
On December 26 2012 07:49 Ettick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 07:49 Diminisherqc wrote:
On December 26 2012 07:32 Ettick wrote:
I love how even the OP confuses an AR-15 with an assault rifle.
People need to at least do some research into things before they say them.


are you serious ...an ar-15 is basicly a m-16 labeled as semi-automatic for civilian sales...if you tell me a m-16 is not an assault rifle you are lieing to your self even if your playing on words

from wikipedia **The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963**

Is a civilian AR-15 a select fire gun?
Last time I checked, it isn't.

Also, in case you don't know, an assault rifle is defined as a select fire rifle that fires an intermediate cartridge.
An AR-15, being only semi-auto, is a military style semiautomatic rifle.


btw do we know if ti was a civilian ar 15 or not ?

ok as i said ,it's been tweaked to not be called an assault rifle,but if your not using it no one can tell its not select fire,admit were nto too far off it,so to go and call people that they dont check theyre fact is pushing it way above the top.Its not like people are calling a .22 an assault rifle lol
HoLe
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada183 Posts
December 25 2012 23:06 GMT
#177
On December 26 2012 07:49 Ettick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 07:49 Diminisherqc wrote:
On December 26 2012 07:32 Ettick wrote:
I love how even the OP confuses an AR-15 with an assault rifle.
People need to at least do some research into things before they say them.


are you serious ...an ar-15 is basicly a m-16 labeled as semi-automatic for civilian sales...if you tell me a m-16 is not an assault rifle you are lieing to your self even if your playing on words

from wikipedia **The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963**

Is a civilian AR-15 a select fire gun?
Last time I checked, it isn't.

Also, in case you don't know, an assault rifle is defined as a select fire rifle that fires an intermediate cartridge.
An AR-15, being only semi-auto, is a military style semiautomatic rifle.



Dude, he obviously knows.

He said "the select-fire AR-15 entered the US military..."

He never said ALL AR-15s are select fire for sucks sake.

The point he's trying to make is that there is obviously a crossover between civilian weaponry and military firearms. And the line between the two categories is so thin its almost negligible.

Stop putting words in people's mouths and give a little bit of charity to the case others are trying to make, maybe try rereading also.
Terran.
Diminisherqc
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 23:10:49
December 25 2012 23:09 GMT
#178
**double post **
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
December 25 2012 23:11 GMT
#179
On December 26 2012 08:05 Diminisherqc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 07:49 Ettick wrote:
On December 26 2012 07:49 Diminisherqc wrote:
On December 26 2012 07:32 Ettick wrote:
I love how even the OP confuses an AR-15 with an assault rifle.
People need to at least do some research into things before they say them.


are you serious ...an ar-15 is basicly a m-16 labeled as semi-automatic for civilian sales...if you tell me a m-16 is not an assault rifle you are lieing to your self even if your playing on words

from wikipedia **The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963**

Is a civilian AR-15 a select fire gun?
Last time I checked, it isn't.

Also, in case you don't know, an assault rifle is defined as a select fire rifle that fires an intermediate cartridge.
An AR-15, being only semi-auto, is a military style semiautomatic rifle.


btw do we know if ti was a civilian ar 15 or not ?

ok as i said ,it's been tweaked to not be called an assault rifle,but if your not using it no one can tell its not select fire,admit were nto too far off it,so to go and call people that they dont check theyre fact is pushing it way above the top.Its not like people are calling a .22 an assault rifle lol

.22 and .223 are quite different calibers actually...
Diminisherqc
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 23:21:28
December 25 2012 23:15 GMT
#180
On December 26 2012 08:11 Ettick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 08:05 Diminisherqc wrote:
On December 26 2012 07:49 Ettick wrote:
On December 26 2012 07:49 Diminisherqc wrote:
On December 26 2012 07:32 Ettick wrote:
I love how even the OP confuses an AR-15 with an assault rifle.
People need to at least do some research into things before they say them.


are you serious ...an ar-15 is basicly a m-16 labeled as semi-automatic for civilian sales...if you tell me a m-16 is not an assault rifle you are lieing to your self even if your playing on words

from wikipedia **The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963**

Is a civilian AR-15 a select fire gun?
Last time I checked, it isn't.

Also, in case you don't know, an assault rifle is defined as a select fire rifle that fires an intermediate cartridge.
An AR-15, being only semi-auto, is a military style semiautomatic rifle.


btw do we know if ti was a civilian ar 15 or not ?

ok as i said ,it's been tweaked to not be called an assault rifle,but if your not using it no one can tell its not select fire,admit were nto too far off it,so to go and call people that they dont check theyre fact is pushing it way above the top.Its not like people are calling a .22 an assault rifle lol

.22 and .223 are quite different calibers actually...


ok but why are you adding a caliber... when i never mentioned it ? i stricly mentionned .22 wich is not an assault rifle at all as i was using it to compare ,to top it off you ignored my answer and the one above me

**edit for bad english **
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