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On December 15 2012 10:53 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:42 RavenLoud wrote:On December 15 2012 10:30 101toss wrote:On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote:I guess that's the difference between guns and knives. Hmmm... that certainly explains all the kids who got knifed to death in China in the past few years Yeah, imagine if these murderers used guns instead. My point is that regardless of the measures in place, people will find ways to commit acts of mass violence. You could argue that fewer lives are at stake, but the potential for violence will always be there with the presence of mental instability. Right now it sounds like the general mentality is "5 kids got stabbed, but hey, it's better than 10 kids getting shot." The bottom line is, regardless of weapon, the event is still tragic and traumatic.
It is much easier to mass murder with a gun than with a knife. One, it takes less time to squeeze the trigger and one-shot people than to stab people. Help could arrive and save more lives in the case of the stabbing than in the case of the shooting.
Two, shooting is more impersonal, which makes it much easier to do than stabbing. One would be more averted to stabbing than shooting because you'd have to get up close to the victim. If your only way to mass murder was stabbing, then you'd be less likely to go through with it. And you'd do less harm without a firearm if you go through with it. 10 kids dead IS more tragic than 5 kids dead.
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On December 15 2012 11:03 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:54 Destro wrote:
This nationalistic bullshit needs to stop now. humans are humans, and unfortunately there are monsters amung us IN EVERY COUNTRY.
this isnt about china vs usa, this isnt about gun control vs knives, this is about respecting humanity and putting that back into the center of the ring. Unfortunately, in instances like these, people like to point fingers at something
point fingers at each other rather then themselves. we all have the blood on our hands.. when we allow our society to promote things above humanity.. people start to lose it... too many people out there doing bad things to each other... its because they have been de-humanized...
goes to show you what happens when we all fail as a society to help those with mental illness.
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Wait, no guns? And no one died? This is sorta of why there should be more gun control in the States. People who do these kinds of things aren't necessarily going to plan them out and think "with a gun I can kill more people," they will just grab what is available and go for it, if a gun is much more difficult to acquire. Obviously, though, these events will still take place, but without guns it is a lot harder to kill a lot of people, as demonstrated by the contrast between this case and the shooting in the Conneticut school.
However, this is also just circumstantial evidence, but I think it would be hard for anybody to argue that someone, on average, could cause just as much harm with a knife as with a gun in these situations.
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Edit: why did this get a warning? I mean compared to some of the other posts in this thread which didn't. Also, I think this post was pretty reasonable. I wasn't trying to piss anyone off or load blame on the U.S. for its gun laws. This thread just seemed like a good place to make a comparison.
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On December 15 2012 11:10 coasts wrote:
Wait, no guns? And no one died? This is sorta of why there should be more gun control in the States. People who do these kinds of things aren't necessarily going to plan them out and think "with a gun I can kill more people," they will just grab what is available and go for it, if a gun is much more difficult to acquire. Obviously, though, these events will still take place, but without guns it is a lot harder to kill a lot of people, as demonstrated by the contrast between this case and the shooting in the Conneticut school.
However, this is also just circumstantial evidence, but I think it would be hard for anybody to argue that someone, on average, could cause just as much harm with a knife as with a gun in these situations.
It's still horrifying, just imagine seeing a bunch of 5 year olds getting slashed by a maniac
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People should be encouraged to commit suicide. In all these massacres these guys ultimately want to do. If we just made it more noble to commit suicide it would solve a lot of these problems. Less dead children, more dead mentally disturbed is a grim calculus but ultimately I am okay with it.
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Hmm... according to some other sources, he was subdued by security guards. Imagine how difficult that would have been if he had an automatic rifle instead of a knife.
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On December 15 2012 11:13 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:10 coasts wrote:
Wait, no guns? And no one died? This is sorta of why there should be more gun control in the States. People who do these kinds of things aren't necessarily going to plan them out and think "with a gun I can kill more people," they will just grab what is available and go for it, if a gun is much more difficult to acquire. Obviously, though, these events will still take place, but without guns it is a lot harder to kill a lot of people, as demonstrated by the contrast between this case and the shooting in the Conneticut school.
However, this is also just circumstantial evidence, but I think it would be hard for anybody to argue that someone, on average, could cause just as much harm with a knife as with a gun in these situations. It's still horrifying, just imagine seeing a bunch of 5 year olds getting slashed by a maniac
That's not an argument against gun control. I don't know why you keep stating that they're both horrible crimes when it's pretty freaking obvious that they are.
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I don't think this thread was made with the intention to promote conversation or to provide news commentary, or good intentions in general. The OP explicitly states that it's purpose is just to shift the ad hominem straw man nationalist attacks on the USA by directing the burden over to other countries by association (look they have violent horrible criminals too!) and prompting further ad hominem straw man attacks on China, forgetting that in both regions the general populace overwhelmingly condemns actions like this (which is bloody freaking obvious). It should be obvious that any people would want to disassociate themselves from the actions of individuals sharing our ethnicity / culture / country who commit atrocious actions, unless there is a logical conclusion that can be drawn between the motivation of the individual that's inherent with the ethnicity / culture / country.
That being said, the event did invoke a great deal of grief and anger in China, and one of the first reactions was why the police didn't arrive on the scene fast enough, or why the perpetrator wasn't apprehended fast enough by the guards.
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This story is equally as important to discuss as the Connecticut one. Both are tragedies that deserve quiet reflection and serious dialogue. This should not be downplayed just because no one was killed (although that is, of course, a very fortunate difference between this and the Connecticut case).
As I said in the other thread, I will pray that the families can recover from this, and that this never happens again.
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On December 15 2012 10:38 FeyverN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:34 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 15 2012 09:50 FeyverN wrote:On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote:I guess that's the difference between guns and knives. Not really, a knife can kill people as well. Chances are, this Chinese man was running around stabbing people very fast and didn't have enough time to stab people 3 or more times because everyone would have evacuated by the third stabbing. Pens can kill people too, I guess they are equal to guns. Yes, but as someone else said in this thread there is a difference between what you're saying and intent. I guarantee if this guy was actually trying, all 22 of these people would be dead. Then again, it would take more time to kill people so it would probably be around 15.
Pretty sure you never killed anything then.
Even kill a chicken with a machete is frigging HARD work, there is no way some crazy person would be able to kill 22 people, or 5, if you give him all day.
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like anyone who is too much of a pussy to handle life, bugs out and lets everyone else handle the aftermath. Sad for everyone else involved.
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that's really scary. Eventhough noone dies, it's a really bad incident..
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On December 15 2012 12:05 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:38 FeyverN wrote:On December 15 2012 10:34 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 15 2012 09:50 FeyverN wrote:On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote:I guess that's the difference between guns and knives. Not really, a knife can kill people as well. Chances are, this Chinese man was running around stabbing people very fast and didn't have enough time to stab people 3 or more times because everyone would have evacuated by the third stabbing. Pens can kill people too, I guess they are equal to guns. Yes, but as someone else said in this thread there is a difference between what you're saying and intent. I guarantee if this guy was actually trying, all 22 of these people would be dead. Then again, it would take more time to kill people so it would probably be around 15. Pretty sure you never killed anything then. Even kill a chicken with a machete is frigging HARD work, there is no way some crazy person would be able to kill 22 people, or 5, if you give him all day.
Your telling me if some full grown man ran into an elementary school with a machete he couldn't kill a shit load of people?
I'm still in awe that there was no fatalities in this incident.
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Can we maybe put the fact that no one died near the top or in the title? I see that a man slashed 22 children and I immediately assumed the worst, spent a few minutes assuming most of them died. Can't tell you how relieved I was at that last line.
Terrible thing this is.
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In before Americans saying China is a communist country.
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