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nOlifeTERRAN
Profile Joined September 2010
United States153 Posts
December 15 2012 06:27 GMT
#81
Yeah I was banned from a justin.tv channel for talking about it... seriously some people just don't care, it's so sad. A guy was making fun of it and I told him that he's an asshole, and to keep stuff like that to himself. Channel mod tells me to shut up and bans me...
Heh Stem
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 06:32:36
December 15 2012 06:30 GMT
#82
On December 15 2012 15:22 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 15:15 Caihead wrote:
On December 15 2012 14:22 delarien123 wrote:
On December 15 2012 11:06 julianto wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:53 101toss wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:42 RavenLoud wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:30 101toss wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:45 FeyverN wrote:

* I later found out that no one died.


I guess that's the difference between guns and knives.


Hmmm...

that certainly explains all the kids who got knifed to death in China in the past few years

Yeah, imagine if these murderers used guns instead.

My point is that regardless of the measures in place, people will find ways to commit acts of mass violence. You could argue that fewer lives are at stake, but the potential for violence will always be there with the presence of mental instability.

Right now it sounds like the general mentality is "5 kids got stabbed, but hey, it's better than 10 kids getting shot." The bottom line is, regardless of weapon, the event is still tragic and traumatic.

It is much easier to mass murder with a gun than with a knife. One, it takes less time to squeeze the trigger and one-shot people than to stab people. Help could arrive and save more lives in the case of the stabbing than in the case of the shooting.

Two, shooting is more impersonal, which makes it much easier to do than stabbing. One would be more averted to stabbing than shooting because you'd have to get up close to the victim. If your only way to mass murder was stabbing, then you'd be less likely to go through with it. And you'd do less harm without a firearm if you go through with it. 10 kids dead IS more tragic than 5 kids dead.


Listen banning guns is the last thing we should do. Guns keep the government from becoming a dictatorship. If everyone has a gun in the United States do you really think the government would try and oppress us? It sucks that people get hurt more, but it is far better to live with the fear of dying by guns than to live my life being oppressed by the government. The very real threat that any government can become a dictatorship will always be there. Just because we live in the USA does not mean it is not a real threat.


Sorry but, can you find me one instance where civilians possessing guns has ever stopped the government from becoming a dictatorship? Government oppression in the US already exists on minorities and has historically existed through its history despite the second amendment existing since its inception. In practicality almost every war-torn region or under developed region in the world has civilians wielding weapons and that's never stopped anything. Since when has the civilian reserved firearms yielded by an untrained populace ever going to pose actual threats to a military force unless the country already spiraled into a civil war? In which case an oppressive government or a split of representations of the populace has already happened?

Not sure if this counts but Libya (Syria is also a mess as well)

Not that any of this contextual, by any means


Sorry but, can you find me one instance where civilians possessing guns has ever stopped the government from becoming a dictatorship?

The whole purpose is as a preventive measure, if there's a war going on or if a civil war is going on it's entirely different in terms of people arming themselves / recieving international aid / foreign military aid. Unless your argument is that the same gun rights should exist for people engaged in military combat as there exists for peacetime civilians.


Since when has the civilian reserved firearms yielded by an untrained populace ever going to pose actual threats to a military force unless the country already spiraled into a civil war? In which case an oppressive government or a split of representations of the populace has already happened?


In both of these examples the dictatorship has been in place for decades already.
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RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 06:40:44
December 15 2012 06:40 GMT
#83
These 22 children are gonna had trauma. Thankfully no one died from this accident.
Sindriss
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark263 Posts
December 15 2012 07:13 GMT
#84
Good thing that guns are so restricted in China. If 22 children were shot with a gun, I would dread how bad it would have been.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
December 15 2012 09:02 GMT
#85
On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:45 FeyverN wrote:

* I later found out that no one died.


I guess that's the difference between guns and knives.



User was warned for this post


may i know why this deserved a warning? PM me if it's controversial or something, genuinely curious
cool beans
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 09:17:13
December 15 2012 09:06 GMT
#86
On December 15 2012 09:50 FeyverN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:45 FeyverN wrote:

* I later found out that no one died.


I guess that's the difference between guns and knives.


Not really, a knife can kill people as well. Chances are, this Chinese man was running around stabbing people very fast and didn't have enough time to stab people 3 or more times because everyone would have evacuated by the third stabbing.


Excuse me I just did some googling and it seems the fact that knife wounds are less frequently fatal than gunshot wounds is debated (it seems much of the evidence and arguments against come from American sources, interestingly). Anyway I personally researched this a while back and found it to be pretty conclusive, especially for wounds in areas like the stomach. But I previously stated it was an established fact and it seems actually like it's in dispute.

(Don't want to post loads of sources but you come across things like this a lot

"The Journal of Trauma (36:4 pp516-524) looked at all injury admissions to a Seattle hospital over a six year period. The mortality rate for gunshot wounds was 22% while that for stab wounds was 4%. Even among patients that survived, gunshot wounds were more serious -- the mean cost of treatment for these patients was more than twice that for stab wounds."

Argument aside, this is horrific news and very saddening. Same as the Connecticut shooting. Targeting children just feels so 'unfair'. They haven't even had half a chance at life.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
December 15 2012 09:16 GMT
#87
On December 15 2012 14:00 sCCrooked wrote:
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On December 15 2012 13:55 RavenLoud wrote:
On December 15 2012 13:52 sCCrooked wrote:
On December 15 2012 13:50 RavenLoud wrote:
On December 15 2012 13:40 sCCrooked wrote:
On December 15 2012 12:05 ragz_gt wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:38 FeyverN wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:34 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:50 FeyverN wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote:
[quote]

I guess that's the difference between guns and knives.


Not really, a knife can kill people as well. Chances are, this Chinese man was running around stabbing people very fast and didn't have enough time to stab people 3 or more times because everyone would have evacuated by the third stabbing.


Pens can kill people too, I guess they are equal to guns.

Yes, but as someone else said in this thread there is a difference between what you're saying and intent. I guarantee if this guy was actually trying, all 22 of these people would be dead. Then again, it would take more time to kill people so it would probably be around 15.


Pretty sure you never killed anything then.

Even kill a chicken with a machete is frigging HARD work, there is no way some crazy person would be able to kill 22 people, or 5, if you give him all day.

It still isn't a viable or decent argument to say "imagine if it were a gun" because it wasn't.

Just in general to anyone saying similar things, grow up. You're talking about children being harmed on a large scale. Its not acceptable no matter if anyone died or not. There's no lesser of 2 evils when peoples' lives are at stake.

How is saying "using knifes = less deaths" in any way the same as "children being harmed on a large scale is acceptable"?

Of course I agree that there's no lesser of the 2 evils in terms of their intent, nor does gun control tackle any of the real causes of the problem. However, if someone attacked the school in which your child attends, I think you'd be relatively more relieved if the attacker has knifes instead of guns.


You, sir are obviously not a parent. Anything that could have the potential to take lives, especially those of your child no matter if its a gun, knife, machette, katana, spear or whatever. The panic and instinctive reaction is the same. I repeat again, there's no lesser of 2 evils in a case like this. People were hurt on a massive scale. In my opinion, its not acceptable to weigh peoples' lives like that. Both situations demand a good look at society and how it handles its deranged or potentially violent.

Bullshit,
Are you honestly saying that the amount of deaths doesn't matter?


You are weighing lives against lives. Stop trying to act like you'd even dare utter to the victims of a tragedy that killed 100 people that the other tragedy across the world 140 people is just so much worse and thusly we should be "thankful" in any way that the other one that killed 100 people happened.

Both sides of this argument are exemplified in Walter White's backfiring attempt to assuage the student's morale at his school after the plane crashed.

Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 15 2012 09:27 GMT
#88
These attacks have been occurring a lot the past few years in China, a lot more frequent then the shootings in the States but but our population is over 7x larger and most of it attributes to psychiatric issues. There was a stabbing in a Shanghai day-care center last year.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
footballexpert
Profile Joined September 2012
China13 Posts
December 15 2012 10:12 GMT
#89
On December 15 2012 09:49 kochanfe wrote:
Holy fucking shit... glad to know there are fucked up people in other countries not only in the USA...

User was warned for this post

Why u are fucking glad?
LG-IMMVP FIGHTING!
FeyverN
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States104 Posts
December 15 2012 13:47 GMT
#90
On December 15 2012 19:12 footballexpert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:49 kochanfe wrote:
Holy fucking shit... glad to know there are fucked up people in other countries not only in the USA...

User was warned for this post

Why u are fucking glad?

He worded what he meant to say poorly. He just meant that its reassuring to know that his country isn't corrupted.
fuck
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
December 15 2012 13:57 GMT
#91
On December 15 2012 09:49 kochanfe wrote:
Holy fucking shit... glad to know there are fucked up people in other countries not only in the USA...

User was warned for this post


A man with a knife slashed 22 children and one adult outside an elementary school in Henan province Friday morning, China's worst such incident in more than a year

This was the worst attack in China for a year, and no one died. It has only been a few months since the last shootout in USA, and every time there is a shootout USA there are casualties. USA is the only developed country in which shootouts is a major concern.
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
December 15 2012 14:33 GMT
#92
On December 15 2012 18:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:45 FeyverN wrote:

* I later found out that no one died.


I guess that's the difference between guns and knives.



User was warned for this post


may i know why this deserved a warning? PM me if it's controversial or something, genuinely curious

Apparently not allowed to start that discussion.
MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
December 15 2012 14:40 GMT
#93
On December 15 2012 23:33 RavenLoud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 18:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:45 FeyverN wrote:

* I later found out that no one died.


I guess that's the difference between guns and knives.



User was warned for this post


may i know why this deserved a warning? PM me if it's controversial or something, genuinely curious

Apparently not allowed to start that discussion.


Because big TL brother, but shhhh...
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
December 15 2012 14:52 GMT
#94
On December 15 2012 22:47 FeyverN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 19:12 footballexpert wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:49 kochanfe wrote:
Holy fucking shit... glad to know there are fucked up people in other countries not only in the USA...

User was warned for this post

Why u are fucking glad?

He worded what he meant to say poorly. He just meant that its reassuring to know that his country isn't corrupted.

I have some bad news for both of you: the evil in other countries doesn't negate the evil in yours, both are equally unacceptable.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 15 2012 23:28 GMT
#95
the condition of left at home kids by migrant workers is a genuine bad situation for china. these cities that enjoy their cheap labor should stop being such rent seeking assholes and open up their schools. but nooo.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
tokicheese
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada739 Posts
December 16 2012 02:30 GMT
#96
On December 15 2012 15:15 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 14:22 delarien123 wrote:
On December 15 2012 11:06 julianto wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:53 101toss wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:42 RavenLoud wrote:
On December 15 2012 10:30 101toss wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:45 FeyverN wrote:

* I later found out that no one died.


I guess that's the difference between guns and knives.


Hmmm...

that certainly explains all the kids who got knifed to death in China in the past few years

Yeah, imagine if these murderers used guns instead.

My point is that regardless of the measures in place, people will find ways to commit acts of mass violence. You could argue that fewer lives are at stake, but the potential for violence will always be there with the presence of mental instability.

Right now it sounds like the general mentality is "5 kids got stabbed, but hey, it's better than 10 kids getting shot." The bottom line is, regardless of weapon, the event is still tragic and traumatic.

It is much easier to mass murder with a gun than with a knife. One, it takes less time to squeeze the trigger and one-shot people than to stab people. Help could arrive and save more lives in the case of the stabbing than in the case of the shooting.

Two, shooting is more impersonal, which makes it much easier to do than stabbing. One would be more averted to stabbing than shooting because you'd have to get up close to the victim. If your only way to mass murder was stabbing, then you'd be less likely to go through with it. And you'd do less harm without a firearm if you go through with it. 10 kids dead IS more tragic than 5 kids dead.


Listen banning guns is the last thing we should do. Guns keep the government from becoming a dictatorship. If everyone has a gun in the United States do you really think the government would try and oppress us? It sucks that people get hurt more, but it is far better to live with the fear of dying by guns than to live my life being oppressed by the government. The very real threat that any government can become a dictatorship will always be there. Just because we live in the USA does not mean it is not a real threat.


Sorry but, can you find me one instance where civilians possessing guns has ever stopped the government from becoming a dictatorship? Government oppression in the US already exists on minorities and has historically existed through its history despite the second amendment existing since its inception. In practicality almost every war-torn region or under developed region in the world has civilians wielding weapons and that's never stopped anything. Since when has the civilian reserved firearms yielded by an untrained populace ever going to pose actual threats to a military force unless the country already spiraled into a civil war? In which case an oppressive government or a split of representations of the populace has already happened?

Look at the terrorists in Afghanistan/Iraq... They have next to 0 training and they have not been a push over to not only the most powerful military nation but the entire coalition... Or the IRA. Or Syria/Libya

Obviously an untrained population would be defeated by a military in an open war but any resistance group that would willingly engage in open combat with a major military nation would clearly be mentally deficient.


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Trying to take every gun out of the hands of every Canadian/American is stupid because many people rely on them for safety. Most forestry workers in the far north need a weapon in case a bear comes to fuck them up. Lots of farmers need them to keep their livestock safe from wolves/w.e. If I was living in some sketchy ghetto in a large city in the states where breaking and entering happens all the time I would definitely have a weapon for self defence too.

People who are fucked in the head will kill however they can. If they can use a gun they will, knives, their hands, bombs, whatever. The problem is not guns the problem is the horrible mental care. Go to the downtown east side where all the drug users are in Vancouver something like 90% of them had no other option but to live there after all the mental health institutions closed....
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dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
December 16 2012 02:33 GMT
#97
First things first...no matter how bad this seems....we should be thankful no one died..
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
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