EPTChinese man slashes 22 children at a school - Page 5
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nOlifeTERRAN
United States153 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 15 2012 15:22 101toss wrote: Not sure if this counts but Libya (Syria is also a mess as well) Not that any of this contextual, by any means Sorry but, can you find me one instance where civilians possessing guns has ever stopped the government from becoming a dictatorship? The whole purpose is as a preventive measure, if there's a war going on or if a civil war is going on it's entirely different in terms of people arming themselves / recieving international aid / foreign military aid. Unless your argument is that the same gun rights should exist for people engaged in military combat as there exists for peacetime civilians. Since when has the civilian reserved firearms yielded by an untrained populace ever going to pose actual threats to a military force unless the country already spiraled into a civil war? In which case an oppressive government or a split of representations of the populace has already happened? In both of these examples the dictatorship has been in place for decades already. | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
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Sindriss
Denmark263 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On December 15 2012 09:48 RavenLoud wrote: I guess that's the difference between guns and knives. User was warned for this post may i know why this deserved a warning? PM me if it's controversial or something, genuinely curious | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On December 15 2012 09:50 FeyverN wrote: Not really, a knife can kill people as well. Chances are, this Chinese man was running around stabbing people very fast and didn't have enough time to stab people 3 or more times because everyone would have evacuated by the third stabbing. Excuse me I just did some googling and it seems the fact that knife wounds are less frequently fatal than gunshot wounds is debated (it seems much of the evidence and arguments against come from American sources, interestingly). Anyway I personally researched this a while back and found it to be pretty conclusive, especially for wounds in areas like the stomach. But I previously stated it was an established fact and it seems actually like it's in dispute. (Don't want to post loads of sources but you come across things like this a lot  "The Journal of Trauma (36:4 pp516-524) looked at all injury admissions to a Seattle hospital over a six year period. The mortality rate for gunshot wounds was 22% while that for stab wounds was 4%. Even among patients that survived, gunshot wounds were more serious -- the mean cost of treatment for these patients was more than twice that for stab wounds." Argument aside, this is horrific news and very saddening. Same as the Connecticut shooting. Targeting children just feels so 'unfair'. They haven't even had half a chance at life. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On December 15 2012 14:00 sCCrooked wrote: You are weighing lives against lives. Stop trying to act like you'd even dare utter to the victims of a tragedy that killed 100 people that the other tragedy across the world 140 people is just so much worse and thusly we should be "thankful" in any way that the other one that killed 100 people happened. Both sides of this argument are exemplified in Walter White's backfiring attempt to assuage the student's morale at his school after the plane crashed. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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footballexpert
China13 Posts
On December 15 2012 09:49 kochanfe wrote: Holy fucking shit... glad to know there are fucked up people in other countries not only in the USA... User was warned for this post Why u are fucking glad? | ||
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FeyverN
United States104 Posts
He worded what he meant to say poorly. He just meant that its reassuring to know that his country isn't corrupted. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On December 15 2012 09:49 kochanfe wrote: Holy fucking shit... glad to know there are fucked up people in other countries not only in the USA... User was warned for this post A man with a knife slashed 22 children and one adult outside an elementary school in Henan province Friday morning, China's worst such incident in more than a year This was the worst attack in China for a year, and no one died. It has only been a few months since the last shootout in USA, and every time there is a shootout USA there are casualties. USA is the only developed country in which shootouts is a major concern. | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On December 15 2012 18:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote: may i know why this deserved a warning? PM me if it's controversial or something, genuinely curious Apparently not allowed to start that discussion. | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
On December 15 2012 23:33 RavenLoud wrote: Apparently not allowed to start that discussion. Because big TL brother, but shhhh... | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On December 15 2012 22:47 FeyverN wrote: He worded what he meant to say poorly. He just meant that its reassuring to know that his country isn't corrupted. I have some bad news for both of you: the evil in other countries doesn't negate the evil in yours, both are equally unacceptable. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
On December 15 2012 15:15 Caihead wrote: Sorry but, can you find me one instance where civilians possessing guns has ever stopped the government from becoming a dictatorship? Government oppression in the US already exists on minorities and has historically existed through its history despite the second amendment existing since its inception. In practicality almost every war-torn region or under developed region in the world has civilians wielding weapons and that's never stopped anything. Since when has the civilian reserved firearms yielded by an untrained populace ever going to pose actual threats to a military force unless the country already spiraled into a civil war? In which case an oppressive government or a split of representations of the populace has already happened? Look at the terrorists in Afghanistan/Iraq... They have next to 0 training and they have not been a push over to not only the most powerful military nation but the entire coalition... Or the IRA. Or Syria/Libya Obviously an untrained population would be defeated by a military in an open war but any resistance group that would willingly engage in open combat with a major military nation would clearly be mentally deficient. + Show Spoiler + Trying to take every gun out of the hands of every Canadian/American is stupid because many people rely on them for safety. Most forestry workers in the far north need a weapon in case a bear comes to fuck them up. Lots of farmers need them to keep their livestock safe from wolves/w.e. If I was living in some sketchy ghetto in a large city in the states where breaking and entering happens all the time I would definitely have a weapon for self defence too. People who are fucked in the head will kill however they can. If they can use a gun they will, knives, their hands, bombs, whatever. The problem is not guns the problem is the horrible mental care. Go to the downtown east side where all the drug users are in Vancouver something like 90% of them had no other option but to live there after all the mental health institutions closed.... | ||
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dynwar7
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