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On September 21 2012 06:21 Vanimar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:08 ImAbstracT wrote:On September 21 2012 06:05 Vanimar wrote:
I might actually try it, thanks :D First few days honestly suck as your body transitions. After a month I have lost about 15 pounds. I feel much better, have more energy, and even feel like I can think more clearly. I do still eat some processed foods (vegan, of course), but I eat much more fruits and vegetables. For anyone who is serious about trying to switch (even for a limited time) watch the documentary Vegucated. It covers 3 ordinary people as they switch to veganism for 6 weeks. It is a very interesting and entertaining movie!. Well I think the whole "thinking clearer" might be due to you increased discipline and a feeling of self-efficacy. The weight loss might also be a side effect of you actually considering what you eat before you eatit (just naming POSSIBLE variables that might interfere, not saying you are wrong per se). I don't really care for the whole animal love side or whatever. Not that I don't like animals, but it's survival of the fittest. And If I can decrease my risk of dieing it seems fit to me. If all I have to do is start actually thinking about what I eat, well then I think even a different causal reason might bring me closer to that goal. Worth a shot in any case. I'm trying to figure out what to eat for breakfast though, most websites only give fancy stuff, not really suitable for everyday usage :D
I eat fruit a good but. Toast. Tofu scrambles (which actually taste just like eggs if done right). Almond milk (or soy, hemp, rice, etc) and granola. Tea or coffee.
I guess the biggest hurdle was trying to lose our emotional attachment to food. Start to "eat to live" instead of "living to eat".
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On September 21 2012 06:21 KwarK wrote:
Complaining about how natural milk or eggs are on the internet is kinda odd. By that logic if nature had meant for us to remotely communicate abstract ideas with each other we'd be telepathic. Nature has no intention and humans are animals following our primal desires to consume, we use milk because we want to, nothing unnatural about it.
Using anesthesia on a bull you're castrating is fairly absurd, it won't make the post op any less painful for it and if you're really that concerned about animals avoiding pain you might as well go out to Africa and start tranquilising zebra as lions catch them. You're not torturing the thing, you're doing a simple medical procedure. Regarding animals getting their neck slit while they're still alive, that's pretty much the point. If the animal were already dead then you wouldn't slit it's neck, you'd go "someone has already done this one, pass me the next one" and then slit that one's throat. You slit their throat in order to kill them, that's the idea, of course you do it while they're still alive. If you didn't and still proceeded to carve them up to make steaks I think that'd be crueler.
I'm sure our ancestors were a bit crueler in how they killed animals. Or at least, less efficient.
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I am vegan for ethical reasons. The health and evironmental improvements are a nice bonus, but not my reason.
I see comments above like Veganism is extreme. Well, just because something is an ethical normal now, doesn't make it NOT extreme. Slavery was common in many counties about 150 years ago... Think about it.
Finally, here is YouTube video discussing the fate of farmed animals in the United States.
10 Billions Lives
Yes, 10 billion animals die for food consumption each year in the States.
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On September 21 2012 06:21 kingcoyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:17 ImAbstracT wrote:On September 21 2012 06:14 kingcoyote wrote:On September 21 2012 06:10 ImAbstracT wrote:
You can literally eat all the fruits, veggies, nuts, and plant based foods you want without worrying about being overweight.
What? You could sit on your couch all day and eat nothing but potato chips and drink soda and beer and have a perfectly vegan diet and be a lardass. I did it. I've been vegetarian my entire life and ended up at 220 lbs at 5'11' before I dropped back down to 170. Not eating animal products doesn't magically erase Calories from oils, sugar and alcohol. We are not talking about processed foods like that. Of course. Skittles and Oreos are vegan too. I was speaking just of whole and raw vegetables, fruits, etc. Even if you cut out processed foods, it's not a true statement. Try eating 4,000 Calories worth of nuts every day and not exercise and see what happens. Weight change is a numbers game - if you take in more than you burn off, you put on weight. It doesn't matter where it comes from. To say that plant-based foods let you not worry about being overweight is just spreading misinformation.
Okay, you are right. If all you did was eat only nuts all day then yeah you would be overweight. That isn't what I was talking about, but none the less sorry for not being more specific.
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On September 21 2012 06:22 wei2coolman wrote:
I personally couldn't go vegetarian, much less vegan. I love my meats, and animal products far too much.
Mad respect to those who can do it without the "holier than art thou'" attitude.
As someone who has been vegetarian since birth, I can say I've noticed a very distinct inverse correlation between how long someone has been a vegetarian and how much of a dick they are about it. The recent converts are the absolute worst about that kind of stuff.
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On September 21 2012 06:25 kingcoyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:22 wei2coolman wrote:
I personally couldn't go vegetarian, much less vegan. I love my meats, and animal products far too much.
Mad respect to those who can do it without the "holier than art thou'" attitude. As someone who has been vegetarian since birth, I can say I've noticed a very distinct inverse correlation between how long someone has been a vegetarian and how much of a dick they are about it. The recent converts are the absolute worst about that kind of stuff.
Gotta justify the change, after all.
I prefer the other poster's thought - moderation.
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On September 21 2012 06:18 Otolia wrote:
Guys, I have this crazy idea ! What about moderation ? You know something that ISN'T extremism ...
With the same reasoning, we should stop eating corns because it takes too much water, stop growing tomatoes and potatoes in Europe because it's not originated from there and various other funny aberrations.
Im not a vegan but since when does being consistent and steadfast in your beliefs makes you an extremist. I would rather be called a "radical" than be forever blowing in the wind, not living by any code.
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On September 21 2012 06:25 kingcoyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:22 wei2coolman wrote:
I personally couldn't go vegetarian, much less vegan. I love my meats, and animal products far too much.
Mad respect to those who can do it without the "holier than art thou'" attitude. As someone who has been vegetarian since birth, I can say I've noticed a very distinct inverse correlation between how long someone has been a vegetarian and how much of a dick they are about it. The recent converts are the absolute worst about that kind of stuff.
I dunno. It's just most vegans always rub me the wrong way. I always feel they got a stick up their ass and always have to explain to everyone why their diet is superior, at almost every meal. It's pretty annoying... I really haven't had any issues with vegetarians. It's like dealing with someone with food allergies who bitch about their food allergies, except they purposely chose to do that to themselves, so you just end up having no sympathy for them, because they chose that lifestyle.
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On September 21 2012 06:26 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:25 kingcoyote wrote:On September 21 2012 06:22 wei2coolman wrote:
I personally couldn't go vegetarian, much less vegan. I love my meats, and animal products far too much.
Mad respect to those who can do it without the "holier than art thou'" attitude. As someone who has been vegetarian since birth, I can say I've noticed a very distinct inverse correlation between how long someone has been a vegetarian and how much of a dick they are about it. The recent converts are the absolute worst about that kind of stuff. Gotta justify the change, after all. I prefer the other poster's thought - moderation.
I don't find anything moderate about killing an animal or abusing an animal for milk/eggs.
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On September 21 2012 06:10 ImAbstracT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:08 stevarius wrote:On September 21 2012 06:05 Vanimar wrote:
I might actually try it, thanks :D That's nice, but I'll stick to my large consumption of meat products AND milk. For a thread on veganism, it sure disgresses too often into problemss that are caused by other factors rather than meat, such as diabetes, obesity, etc. There is a connection between diabetes (type 1 I believe) and obesity to animal product consumption. You can literally eat all the fruits, veggies, nuts, and plant based foods you want without worrying about being overweight. *This is just from some sources I have read. Don't use my posts to make your dietary choices.*
You realise that nuts provide an enormous amount of calories, right?
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On September 21 2012 06:30 SolonTLG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:26 JinDesu wrote:On September 21 2012 06:25 kingcoyote wrote:On September 21 2012 06:22 wei2coolman wrote:
I personally couldn't go vegetarian, much less vegan. I love my meats, and animal products far too much.
Mad respect to those who can do it without the "holier than art thou'" attitude. As someone who has been vegetarian since birth, I can say I've noticed a very distinct inverse correlation between how long someone has been a vegetarian and how much of a dick they are about it. The recent converts are the absolute worst about that kind of stuff. Gotta justify the change, after all. I prefer the other poster's thought - moderation. I don't find anything moderate about killing an animal or abusing an animal for milk/eggs.
I think we can have a discussion about veganism without the PETA tag lines.
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On September 21 2012 06:25 kingcoyote wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:22 wei2coolman wrote:
I personally couldn't go vegetarian, much less vegan. I love my meats, and animal products far too much.
Mad respect to those who can do it without the "holier than art thou'" attitude. As someone who has been vegetarian since birth, I can say I've noticed a very distinct inverse correlation between how long someone has been a vegetarian and how much of a dick they are about it. The recent converts are the absolute worst about that kind of stuff.
LOL, I am fairly recent vegan (about 1 year), so I guess I am in the "dick" category of my life. In all seriousness, its awesome that you've been veggie since birth, are you vegan though? If not, why (curious)?
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On September 21 2012 06:10 ImAbstracT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:08 stevarius wrote:On September 21 2012 06:05 Vanimar wrote:
I might actually try it, thanks :D That's nice, but I'll stick to my large consumption of meat products AND milk. For a thread on veganism, it sure disgresses too often into problemss that are caused by other factors rather than meat, such as diabetes, obesity, etc. There is a connection between diabetes (type 1 I believe) and obesity to animal product consumption. You can literally eat all the fruits, veggies, nuts, and plant based foods you want without worrying about being overweight. *This is just from some sources I have read. Don't use my posts to make your dietary choices.*
Just skimming the thread and saw this. Just no, don't try to confuse people like this. This is 100% wrong. If you eat more calories than your body burns for energy they get converted to fats for storage. This works for all kinds of foods, not only meat... I've seen grossly obese vegetarians and underweight people who eat chiefly fast food. Weight is only a singular component of health and there are more factors weighing on it than diet.
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On September 21 2012 06:32 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:30 SolonTLG wrote:On September 21 2012 06:26 JinDesu wrote:On September 21 2012 06:25 kingcoyote wrote:On September 21 2012 06:22 wei2coolman wrote:
I personally couldn't go vegetarian, much less vegan. I love my meats, and animal products far too much.
Mad respect to those who can do it without the "holier than art thou'" attitude. As someone who has been vegetarian since birth, I can say I've noticed a very distinct inverse correlation between how long someone has been a vegetarian and how much of a dick they are about it. The recent converts are the absolute worst about that kind of stuff. Gotta justify the change, after all. I prefer the other poster's thought - moderation. I don't find anything moderate about killing an animal or abusing an animal for milk/eggs. I think we can have a discussion about veganism without the PETA tag lines.
For the record, I f*cking hate PETA! Their advertizements are often misogynistic and exploit women's bodies to achieve thier goals. I would like to know why you think eating animals ISN'T extreme?
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Rice and fish is all I need. And some steaks once in a while.
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On September 21 2012 06:36 SolonTLG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:32 wei2coolman wrote:On September 21 2012 06:30 SolonTLG wrote:On September 21 2012 06:26 JinDesu wrote:On September 21 2012 06:25 kingcoyote wrote:On September 21 2012 06:22 wei2coolman wrote:
I personally couldn't go vegetarian, much less vegan. I love my meats, and animal products far too much.
Mad respect to those who can do it without the "holier than art thou'" attitude. As someone who has been vegetarian since birth, I can say I've noticed a very distinct inverse correlation between how long someone has been a vegetarian and how much of a dick they are about it. The recent converts are the absolute worst about that kind of stuff. Gotta justify the change, after all. I prefer the other poster's thought - moderation. I don't find anything moderate about killing an animal or abusing an animal for milk/eggs. I think we can have a discussion about veganism without the PETA tag lines. For the record, I f*cking hate PETA! Their advertizements are often misogynistic and exploit women's bodies to achieve thier goals. I would like to know why you think eating animals ISN'T extreme?
It's natural, no? Lions eat zebras and stuff. Sharks eat fish.
I don't see any protests against Lions from eating zebras and gazelles, do I?
Sure I think most people should cut down on their meat consumptions, out of health reasons, but I don't see any inherent moral wrong doing out of the current meat eating society.
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Let's pretend for a moment that nature does confer some sort of conceptual intent predicated on design, how do we explain how harmonious human digestion and an omnivorous diet are? The human body explicitly secretes enzymes and metabolic agents that do wonders with animal tissue. Then again, taking behavioral cues from nature is a terribly silly way to go about things, but I can see no good reason to eliminate animal products given whatever signal we take from the world around us. A very large portion of my diet consists of eggs, red meat, chicken, and milk, and yet my lipid panel is incredibly healthy and my heart is stronger and more efficient than ever. Guess why? I don't overeat, I exercise regularly, and most importantly, I incorporate these things into my daily routine. If shunning all animal products helps you do those things, well more power to you, just do not pretend you've discovered some golden path to the Mountain of Holier Than Though through vegan diets.
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On September 21 2012 06:36 EffervescentAureola wrote:
Rice and fish is all I need. And some steaks once in a while.
What would it take for you to give up the fish and occasional steaks?
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On September 21 2012 06:41 SolonTLG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:36 EffervescentAureola wrote:
Rice and fish is all I need. And some steaks once in a while. What would it take for you to give up the fish and occasional steaks?
An act of God?
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On September 21 2012 06:36 SolonTLG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:32 wei2coolman wrote:On September 21 2012 06:30 SolonTLG wrote:On September 21 2012 06:26 JinDesu wrote:On September 21 2012 06:25 kingcoyote wrote:On September 21 2012 06:22 wei2coolman wrote:
I personally couldn't go vegetarian, much less vegan. I love my meats, and animal products far too much.
Mad respect to those who can do it without the "holier than art thou'" attitude. As someone who has been vegetarian since birth, I can say I've noticed a very distinct inverse correlation between how long someone has been a vegetarian and how much of a dick they are about it. The recent converts are the absolute worst about that kind of stuff. Gotta justify the change, after all. I prefer the other poster's thought - moderation. I don't find anything moderate about killing an animal or abusing an animal for milk/eggs. I think we can have a discussion about veganism without the PETA tag lines. For the record, I f*cking hate PETA! Their advertizements are often misogynistic and exploit women's bodies to achieve thier goals. I would like to know why you think eating animals ISN'T extreme?
Circle of Life bro.
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