EPTThe Flaw of Esports - Reinnn - Page 2
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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village_idiot
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:25 Numy wrote: Why do you have to tolerate them? You working for free anyway. You don't, that's the beauty about working for free, whether you work or not; nothing changes. But that's not real life, it's not the same. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
At this moment, one shouldn't expect too many full time (near-)full pay jobs in e-sports, no matter what game. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:27 Torte de Lini wrote: You don't, that's the beauty about working for free, whether you work or not; nothing changes. But that's not real life, it's not the same. Then what exactly was the point you were trying to make? | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
http://forum.gamesports.net/dota/showthread.php?8705-The-Flaw-of-Esports-Reinnn&p=128222&viewfull=1#post128222 | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:31 Numy wrote: Then what exactly was the point you were trying to make? You're saying he got his first taste of the real world, I disagree. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:35 Torte de Lini wrote: You're saying he got his first taste of the real world, I disagree. Nah, that was me that said that. And I don't think you understood what I meant. I'm just saying he shouldn't be surprised to discover douchebags in high places. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:39 starfries wrote: Nah, that was me that said that. And I don't think you understood what I meant. I'm just saying he shouldn't be surprised to discover douchebags in high places. Oh my bad, I was confused on who said what for a second. and I'll agree to that general statement. | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
Maybe he had the expectation of getting so good and wanted that they will pay for him, but it didnt happen if this was even possible because if you have to compete with other people who do it for free you really have to be outstanding. I think he would have been better of doing a regular paid work and spending some free hours as volunteer worker. And to your story of this manager having one room with his girlfriend and 12 or so people having to share one room ? Have a little self respect and quit after some shit, you have ro look for your life and your payment and if you dont get it you can try to demand it and if you fail you leave and look for something else. No one in this world will really look out for you, the only one who can do so is yourself. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:35 Torte de Lini wrote: You're saying he got his first taste of the real world, I disagree. To say he got his first taste is a bit misleading. It's definitely more like he tried forcing something that wasn't there. There was no way any of us who worked as volunteers (as if there is any other title) would be able to make any kind of consistent money let alone a living wage; most of us also knew that, he probably knew that too, but wanted to try, really hard. It didn't help that he wrote for MYM (again shady motherfuckers), and the hoopla around Dota 2 (OMG million dollar LANs) only gave him additional false hope. Now what we have here is a bit misguided little article regarding things that should have told him the reality of the situation, but he didn't heed them. Edit: I should add that most of us who volunteered for DotA articles/coverage knows who Rein is; he was one of the few that was reliable and took his responsibilities seriously which is more than what I could say for some of the others. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On August 08 2012 00:53 ]343[ wrote: Replace "underpaid workers" with "mostly volunteer workers." edit: dang, 7k CONGRATS ]343[! make a 7k troll blog now :DDDD. On topic, yeah no, writing in general does not pay bills so why would writing for an upstart new sport do it lol. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
There's a fair share of bad personalities here that get to be unchecked because of a lack of professionalism. Without a stable salary, you can't hold anyone mature enough to keep things going the right way. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
I don't understand the number of people, mostly around my age, that are convinced that they can just waltz into the top of the esports industry somehow. Be it players, casters, or community personalities, how hard is it to understand that competition might be fierce in a field largely considered a hobby to most people. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 08 2012 02:04 Offhand wrote: Yeah, what he did would be more or less equivalent to asking for a full time position after being hired as a temp. Sure, maybe you did great work and the people there are appreciative but that doesn't mean they can hire you fulltime with money that isn't there. Claiming he went above and beyond what was expected is great, but also not a garunteer of more money. Of course you put 12 hours a day into your DOTA job, you wanted to, you would have spent most of those 12 hours on DOTA related things anyway. I don't understand the number of people, mostly around my age, that are convinced that they can just waltz into the top of the esports industry somehow. Be it players, casters, or community personalities, how hard is it to understand that competition might be fierce in a field largely considered a hobby to most people. It's not even the competition for the non-players, but rather the money or the lack thereof. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
People like Slasher, one of the few decently payed esport journalist, obviously did since there was a huge fucking drops in tweets, liks, posts on team liquid and even arguably viewership for MLG events when he was laid off AND a huge raise of gamespot exposure on teamliqud and reddit from 0% to about 50% of all the coverage you see on these forums ( obviously he is not the only one they hired, but still ) Is this guy worth his salt ? Hes a dota journalist and i never played very much , even less followed, LoL Dota Hon Dota 2... etc But if he brings the views than he should start his own website and get that add revenue. If he is only an average quality writer that is hired by sites since non else wants to do the job for that low of a pay... though luck. A journalist job is to bring the views and it seems that a lot of them don't make the difference between them bringing the fucking views themselves or the website they are writing for bringing all those people there to read there article, that could have been done in the same way by anyone else. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
Most people that start helping do so in their late teens, while they are either still in high school or early in their college life. Their responsibilities tend to be close to non-existent, and this allows lots of free time and no need for money. In the majority of cases, life takes a different turn. Either the passion for eSports/their game dies, or you come into life circumstances of being an older individual that maybe bought a car, has a full-time job now, or any number of paths that siphons your time and requires more money; they suddenly need compensation that generally isn't offered in most areas of our hobby. I happened to be lucky and one of the few people that did glean compensation and eventually money from my involvement in eSports organizations but it was pittance in the grand scheme, and that's no surprise. Sure, there were ambitions of squeaking out a living doing something I loved, but I was far more realistic about the situation, and I still managed to burn myself out doing it. In the big picture, there have been some amazing things done by extremely passionate people in eSports, and that have got little real-world recognition, and that's a sad thing. Hopefully, as eSports tries to grow, more money can be evened out across the spectrum to truly allow some type of sustainable growth. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
He does highlight the way younger people are exploited in esports, which is a really common issue, but he was never even promised anything. He is saying he took a volunteer job, then decided to ask for money, and when they didn't give him enough he is surprised? What? I think the players winning tournaments and signing contracts and still not getting paid is a much bigger issue than whatever this is. . | ||
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