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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 06:36:40
August 09 2012 06:34 GMT
#81
I feel like there may be a connection between his badly written blog post and his lack of success as a writer...
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 09 2012 07:05 GMT
#82
On August 09 2012 15:34 Belisarius wrote:
I feel like there may be a connection between his badly written blog post and his lack of success as a writer...

Pretty much everyone who knows him here and in posts linked here speak favorably about his writing.
It really seems like the money just wasn't there, which is a big part of the problem.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
rEalGuapo
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany832 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 07:36:27
August 09 2012 07:32 GMT
#83
I'm not sure where his expectations come from.

He may have college education but it clearly is nowhere near the field of writing.

So he asks for 2k a month with no qualification other than a little volunteer work when he was young?
Sounds reasonable...

Also, isn't journalism the go-to job if you want to be underpaid? I think this applies to every country. Yes there are VERY few that make good money with it but 1.8k is probably more than 80% of the journalists on this planet make..
BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
August 09 2012 07:51 GMT
#84
Will esports ever grow large enough? I get the feeling viewership levels are stagnating lately....
“Life is a grindstone, and whether it grinds a man down or polishes him up depends on the stuff he's made of.”
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 08:00:55
August 09 2012 08:00 GMT
#85
On August 08 2012 00:46 Gotmog wrote:
http://reinnnn.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/the-flaw-of-esports-system.html?m=1

Quite an interesting read...
It's from a (now) former dota writer/editor...but i am willing to bet that this applies everywhere.

It's a long article, but i found it worth a read.


I reject the premisse that mapmakers and commentators should be paid enough to make a living out of it.
Few exceptions might be made, but as a whole, no.
With the exception of Khaldor and Artosis, no SC2 commentators reached the degree of professionalism, knowledge, talent, and dedication required in classical industries to be paid for your work.

I mean, no one can denies that the exponentially growing number of commentators among the Starcraft 2 foreign community is kind of ridiculous.
Now for every tournament there are like 10 commentators, most being ex-unsuccessful players.



On the other hand, the money scandals touching the players are an entirely different, outrageous story, and sadly, used to be quite common in War3.

Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
August 09 2012 13:42 GMT
#86
Also, isn't journalism the go-to job if you want to be underpaid? I think this applies to every country. Yes there are VERY few that make good money with it but 1.8k is probably more than 80% of the journalists on this planet make..


1.5k a month comes out to an annual salary of $18,000. Working 8 hours a day on minimum wage in the U.S. nets some an annual salary of $20,880. So the "good money" that he's asking for is actually quite small. He'd be making more money working full time at a McDonalds.z
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 09 2012 13:55 GMT
#87
On August 09 2012 22:42 thedz wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also, isn't journalism the go-to job if you want to be underpaid? I think this applies to every country. Yes there are VERY few that make good money with it but 1.8k is probably more than 80% of the journalists on this planet make..


1.5k a month comes out to an annual salary of $18,000. Working 8 hours a day on minimum wage in the U.S. nets some an annual salary of $20,880. So the "good money" that he's asking for is actually quite small. He'd be making more money working full time at a McDonalds.z


Working full time @ McD is a much tougher job also.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
August 09 2012 14:02 GMT
#88
On August 09 2012 22:55 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 22:42 thedz wrote:
Also, isn't journalism the go-to job if you want to be underpaid? I think this applies to every country. Yes there are VERY few that make good money with it but 1.8k is probably more than 80% of the journalists on this planet make..


1.5k a month comes out to an annual salary of $18,000. Working 8 hours a day on minimum wage in the U.S. nets some an annual salary of $20,880. So the "good money" that he's asking for is actually quite small. He'd be making more money working full time at a McDonalds.z


Working full time @ McD is a much tougher job also.

And probably not his dream job..
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
trainRiderJ
Profile Joined August 2010
United States615 Posts
August 09 2012 14:09 GMT
#89
On August 09 2012 15:34 Belisarius wrote:
I feel like there may be a connection between his badly written blog post and his lack of success as a writer...

Completely agree. It was downhill from the very first poorly written, run-on sentence.
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
August 09 2012 16:26 GMT
#90
Where is all the money in esports going? If it's not to the writers, then it has to be the players right?
EG.lectR
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States617 Posts
August 09 2012 16:44 GMT
#91
The greatest flaw with e-sports is the belief that everyone knows everything about e-sports.

@colindeshong
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
August 09 2012 16:44 GMT
#92
On August 10 2012 01:26 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Where is all the money in esports going? If it's not to the writers, then it has to be the players right?

What money?
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Rob28
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada705 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 16:46:20
August 09 2012 16:45 GMT
#93
On August 10 2012 01:26 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Where is all the money in esports going? If it's not to the writers, then it has to be the players right?


First, there's probably not all that much money involved in e-sports. They basically make their money off advertising revenue or subscription services, which is meager considering e-sports are not mainstream. Reporters are paid by the outlets they report to... not by the e-sport association they are reporting on (usually). E-sport leagues and tournies pay players, news outlets pay reporters. If the news outlet is struggling to make ad revenue, then they cannot pay reporters.

If you want to succeed as a reporter, you need to report for much larger news outlets. If PC Gamer Magazine started reporting SC2 matches, you could probably make a living wage, but otherwise it's unrealistic to think you can do so off of a mildly busy somewhat unknown website.

"power overwhelming"... work, dammit, work!
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 17:47:30
August 09 2012 17:46 GMT
#94
On August 09 2012 23:02 Grend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 22:55 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 09 2012 22:42 thedz wrote:
Also, isn't journalism the go-to job if you want to be underpaid? I think this applies to every country. Yes there are VERY few that make good money with it but 1.8k is probably more than 80% of the journalists on this planet make..


1.5k a month comes out to an annual salary of $18,000. Working 8 hours a day on minimum wage in the U.S. nets some an annual salary of $20,880. So the "good money" that he's asking for is actually quite small. He'd be making more money working full time at a McDonalds.z


Working full time @ McD is a much tougher job also.

And probably not his dream job..


My point is that 1.8k a month being more than what 80% of journalists make is a pretty absurd assertion.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
August 09 2012 17:50 GMT
#95
Making money in E-sports is like making money as an actor, only the top .0001% of people trying will ever actually succeed so it's mostly a pipe dream to try.
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