EPTOn August 06 2012 21:04 m4inbrain wrote:
If we find living organisms on mars, the next thing will be a tank, i guess.
If we find living organisms on mars, the next thing will be a tank, i guess.
We'll prob find a mass relay on mars.
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
We'll prob find a mass relay on mars. | ||
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Left4Cookies
Denmark803 Posts
I'd like to be around for that party. I think... | ||
m4inbrain
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On August 06 2012 21:07 Morfildur wrote: There is no perfect time for space exploration, it will always cost a lot and have no immediate benefits, so every generation could say "Not now, let our children do that" and nothing would ever get done. Then the asteroid comes, everything goes boom and the last thing we would say was "Why didn't we just do it?" How does the mars rover in any way prevent an asteroid hitting earth? Of couse you could always say "theres no perfect time", but with a bit of common sense you can say "its a bad time right now", because the whole world is going apeshit at the moment. EU going down the drain, god knows what happens in syria, etc etc. Theres stuff to be done, dont jump the gun. And dont bring arguments like "then the asteroid comes", because its actually not just invalid, but would point out that maybe advancing in technology that could help us prevent that would be wiser spended money (im not saying that, but does not change the fact). edit We'll prob find a mass relay on mars. Dibs on the Normandy. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
I hope NASA will release a live stream with the view from the cameras | ||
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Switzerland674 Posts
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On August 06 2012 21:13 m4inbrain wrote: How does the mars rover in any way prevent an asteroid hitting earth? Of couse you could always say "theres no perfect time", but with a bit of common sense you can say "its a bad time right now", because the whole world is going apeshit at the moment. EU going down the drain, god knows what happens in syria, etc etc. This project has been running for some time though, so it's not like the US government decided 3 months ago to fund this project despite the economic situation. The project started in 2004, when the economic climate was much better. Also, projects like this would suffer immensely from significant budget fluctuations. The people involved are often so deeply committed that you can't simply sack half of them when the economy is bad and then rehire them 2 years later. It doesn't work that way. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On August 05 2012 21:02 Twinkle Toes wrote: Thank you for your reply, unfortunately it will also be your undoing. Let me throw back at you everything that you say: 1. Assuming "you think about it in the perspective of the entire human race", what are the benefits? 2. Do those future expected benefits outweigh the benefits of putting money now where it is needed, like more jobs, healthcare, etc.? Surely someone between us needs to do some research, and you know what, it ain't me bro. Sorry for being harsh on you. To you second point, I would say yes. The future is the only thing worth investing in for humans because it's all we have. Otherwise we are just sitting around doing nothing until our sun dies out. That's not really in our nature. | ||
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On August 06 2012 21:13 m4inbrain wrote: How does the mars rover in any way prevent an asteroid hitting earth? Of couse you could always say "theres no perfect time", but with a bit of common sense you can say "its a bad time right now", because the whole world is going apeshit at the moment. EU going down the drain, god knows what happens in syria, etc etc. Theres stuff to be done, dont jump the gun. And dont bring arguments like "then the asteroid comes", because its actually not just invalid, but would point out that maybe advancing in technology that could help us prevent that would be wiser spended money (im not saying that, but does not change the fact). The Moon landing happened when the cold war was at it's peak and soldiers died in vietnam, did it hurt to spend that money on space exploration? Not at all, we got many advantages from that. The world will always be in chaos, people will always kill each other, starve and/or live in poverty. The world is not "going apeshit" at the moment... well, at least not more than usual. That won't change for another 500 years, so when would be a good time to go exploring? The asteroid example was just to emphasize the point i was trying to make: We can delay and delay until our grandchildren have grey beards that tickle their own feet but there is a lot of knowledge to gain from space exploration that we cannot gain otherwise and until we actually go out there, we won't know what we are missing. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
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Left4Cookies
Denmark803 Posts
On August 06 2012 21:17 Diks wrote: I want to see Mars in 1080p !! I hope NASA will release a live stream with the view from the cameras It's only got a 720p camera though  . The next rover will hopefully have a 3D IMAX camera. | ||
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m4inbrain
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On August 06 2012 21:28 Morfildur wrote: The Moon landing happened when the cold war was at it's peak and soldiers died in vietnam, did it hurt to spend that money on space exploration? Not at all, we got many advantages from that. The world will always be in chaos, people will always kill each other, starve and/or live in poverty. The world is not "going apeshit" at the moment... well, at least not more than usual. That won't change for another 500 years, so when would be a good time to go exploring? The asteroid example was just to emphasize the point i was trying to make: We can delay and delay until our grandchildren have grey beards that tickle their own feet but there is a lot of knowledge to gain from space exploration that we cannot gain otherwise and until we actually go out there, we won't know what we are missing. The world (especially yours and mine, coming from germany) is pretty much fucked beyond recognition, chances are that also americas economic will collapse (especially if we go down the drain). Dont talk out of your arse just to make a point, you should know better. Im not talking about wars in vietnam, im talking about the fact that the world-economics are threatened at the moment. Severly. I dont care about a "straight up" war, like vietnam was. Syria can (and will, if the wrong decisions are made) get alot worse than that. This project has been running for some time though, so it's not like the US government decided 3 months ago to fund this project despite the economic situation. The project started in 2004, when the economic climate was much better. Also, projects like this would suffer immensely from significant budget fluctuations. The people involved are often so deeply committed that you can't simply sack half of them when the economy is bad and then rehire them 2 years later. It doesn't work that way. That on the other hand is a good argument, i knew it ran for some while now, but somehow oversaw the fact. Youre right, well. Doesnt really matter to me, as i said, im glad i can watch new pictures from mars in high quality - its just that if americans say "well, wasted", theyre not entirely wrong. edit: not wasted, but bad timing | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On August 06 2012 21:34 TOloseGT wrote: I wouldn't worry about the asteroids up there, we still have Bruce Willis. Speak for you american ! Paris was destroyed in Armageddon !!! In fact, in all americans disaster/action movies, London or Paris is destroyed, dunno why ^^ More seriously, I'm curious to know what this rover will learn us, i'm always amazed by these things and all progress humans can do for and with science. | ||
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United States7483 Posts
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On August 06 2012 21:46 m4inbrain wrote: The world (especially yours and mine, coming from germany) is pretty much fucked beyond recognition Nah, it really isn't. And it's not like the problems you cited are easily solved by throwing more money at them. The amount of money spent on the space program is pretty minimal anyways. edit: oops maybe that's political debate so I'll remove it if asked and I'll just add that this is pretty sweet especially since my university has some involvement  | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On August 06 2012 20:59 m4inbrain wrote: I agree and disagree at the same time. Im stoked for whats happening on mars right now, but it also has to be asked, if it is the right time. No one (at least not me) is neglecting the fact that we actually need to explore space, but then again, as you said: it will not even affect our lifetimes. We are talking about hundreds of years (which are needed to actually set up a colony and terraform, im not talking about a basecamp with a tent on mars, but "having a new planet"), so the question "is it the right time to spend (not waste, but spend) billions of dollars etc?" is not that far fetched. To be honest, i dont think so. Im stoked for the pictures and data we will get to see, but do i think it is the right time to spend so much money, for little to no outcome (for "us")? No, i dont think so. Stop talking about how much that mission will advance us in science, technology etc - it wont. It wont have any effect on our normal days life, at all, except we get some beautiful REAL pictures from another world. So in essence.. I dont think that its a waste of money at all, i just wish they would have spend it to a smarter time. Even IF the world was as screwed up currently as you're describing, and it isn't, space programs and scientific research will be the absolutely last thing we need to cut back on. There is literally, without exaggerating, a million other things to cut back on in economic times before you have to reach for money from scientific research. The money spent on massive achievements like this is a piss in the ocean compared to the ridiculous costs of fairly insignificant things on a larger scale. Also, scientific revolutions are one of the few things that could actually take the world out of a depression. If there's one thing to spend money on during shitty times, it's research. Also, you have no basis to argue that the information we'll be getting today and in the next few months won't affect us profoundly and we'll only benefit in hundreds of years time. | ||
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Wortie
Netherlands212 Posts
People who think this a huge money drain are stupid as well. People who don't dream are stupid too. Why, Money is just a human invention. I'ts not like, when a crisis happens. There are suddenly less people who can work or something. I'ts not like there is suddenly less effort into something because there is a crisis. For example, if you would ban facebook, there will be probably a lot more money in the world, because less people would go on facebook during their job. Does it make any sence to ban facebook? Ofcourse not. But you could also make many arguements that facebook isn't contributing to society today. A lot of people are so fucking shortsighted about the whole science and research thing that it is making me sick. The people who lived during the Marie Curie time, probably thought that researching some invisible rays from metal was stupid too. But you don't complain now, when someone makes a fucking picture of your skeleton with the same radiation. If you really want to take money from somewhere, then just take it from the military. I can't think of anything in the world, that would benefit from killing other humans. Except for maybe the funeral service. | ||
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United States5110 Posts
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Thenerf
United States258 Posts
On August 06 2012 21:17 Diks wrote: I want to see Mars in 1080p !! I hope NASA will release a live stream with the view from the cameras I actually collect images and each new mission they get better and better. Video is doubtful(but hopeful) because you can imagine the amount of power and time it takes to transmit an HD image let alone video. @DannyJ Yep, basically hundreds of people track a project for 10 years and hope it doesn't crash. They're relieved because its usually 50/50 odds these things work. They're the guys trying to see if it works the first time and it often doesn't. | ||
imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On August 06 2012 21:17 Diks wrote: I want to see Mars in 1080p !! I hope NASA will release a live stream with the view from the cameras You wouldn't really be able to watch a stream because the way they are transmitting the data routes it through a satellite orbiting Mars. So they store the data and send it through in one big go. Also the data is very compressed and has to be processed once received. On August 06 2012 22:36 Thenerf wrote: Yep, basically hundreds of people track a project for 10 years and hope it doesn't crash. They're relieved because its usually 50/50 odds these things work. They're the guys trying to see if it works the first time and it often doesn't. I think they said that so far only 40% of missions to Mars have been successful. Given all the new tech they are using in getting the rover there it's pretty amazing it all went so smoothly. | ||
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