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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2012 19:54 GMT
#761
So is there another Press Conference tonight?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DomiNater
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States527 Posts
August 06 2012 20:13 GMT
#762
On August 07 2012 04:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So is there another Press Conference tonight?


Yes, In 3 hours according to the mohawk guy.

‏@tweetsoutloud
So much Internet! In the surface ops room watching breathtaking landing images and Mt Sharp. Watch the press conference at 4pm PT? #MSL
After I captured the elephant in the room, swept her under the rug for the hell of it... I welcome you to the melting through, of a planet that was selfish in its development of a healthy view.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 20:23:00
August 06 2012 20:21 GMT
#763
On August 07 2012 02:29 biology]major wrote:
aren't 200+ mph winds common on mars? there is no telling when curiosity can be blown to pieces


200+ mph maybe, but only 1/100th the atmospheric pressure. Very little actual force.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
August 06 2012 21:03 GMT
#764
I guess I'll never understand the importance of these types of things or why everyone gets so excited. To me, it just seems like a waste of 2.5 billion dollars that will accomplish very little (virtually nothing).

Even after I read 2 pages of why the Curiosity rover is important I can't see the value in it.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 21:18:11
August 06 2012 21:05 GMT
#765
On August 07 2012 06:03 xrapture wrote:
I guess I'll never understand the importance of these types of things or why everyone gets so excited. To me, it just seems like a waste of 2.5 billion dollars that will accomplish very little (virtually nothing).

Even after I read 2 pages of why the Curiosity rover is important I can't see the value in it.


[image loading]

Apparently creating a wonder for the future, and inspiring children for a love of the Sciences, Mathematics, and Engineering while we expand humanity's presence beyond this planet has no value. Nope, all this is just a waste of money. Nothing ever of value comes from these pointless investments of money. I'm sure that's what people said to Einstein when hew as researching the useless General Theory of Relativity, when it turned out to be massively important to, you know, EVERYTHING in the modern world from Satellites that let your internet and phones work to the modern buildings you walk in every day. Yep, scientific progress is fucking stupid. Why would anyone want to reach out to the stars and inspire the youth to do practical things like engineering and math and science instead of sitting around playign video games all day.

You do realize how fucking important it would be for us to leave this planet? Helium-3 on the moon makes Nuclear Fusion possible, and if we find Oil on Mars? Do you fucking realize how big of a deal that is? And to move humanity out of Earth's sphere alone is a huge deal for preserving it. Distasters are a frequent thing on this planet, especially near-life ending ones. The amount of minerals and shit that could come from Mineral Rich Asteroids in mining operations?



When we stop dreaming and stop looking to the stars, we stop progressing. This kind of shit inspires people. If it doesn't inspire you, I honestly feel sorry for you.

We spend more than almost the entire world combined on our military program, and less than half a cent to the tax dollar on the space program. And yet, you are SERIOUSLY arguing that the space program is the fucking issue here? We're not even in the top 20 in sciences and math in the world. It shocks me that people are arguing we should cut them even more out of our lives. Imagine if a man set foot in mars in the next 15 years. Just put that into perspective. A man sets foot on another fucking planet for the first time in history. Could you imagine how that would influence the world? Both politically, economically, and philosophically? How much that will influence people to become engineers and scientists?

I'm done editing a promise.

EDIT: Just kidding I'm a liar

http://spinoff.nasa.gov/spinoff/spinsearch?BOOL=AND&ALLFIELDS=&CENTER=&BOOLM=AND&MANUFACT=&STATE=&CATEGORY=&ISSUE=&Spinsort=ISSUED
AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2197 Posts
August 06 2012 21:21 GMT
#766
Pre-landing press conference aired again right now. Was listening to the ops director saying "...we may not make it." and you could see the nervousness on his face, gave me some epic chills to see and hear that while knowing that they did in fact make it.
CORN GIRL + Flash + FanTaSy + CholeraSC + iNcontroL 4 eva <3
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
August 06 2012 21:23 GMT
#767
Ouch, 15 gs of deceleration, luckily it's a rover, not a person.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
August 06 2012 21:24 GMT
#768
On August 07 2012 06:23 oBlade wrote:
Ouch, 15 gs of deceleration, luckily it's a rover, not a person.


Holy shit lol
SiegeFlank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States410 Posts
August 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#769
I think I've rewatched the full animation video of the Curiosity landing at least 5 times now. It still blows my mind that such an absurd feat of engineering like that was actually made into a reality. 2012 really shaping up to be an awesome year for science.
Bird up
AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2197 Posts
August 06 2012 21:29 GMT
#770
Yeah, it kind of put things in perspective when they said that Curiosity had traveled 56 million kilometres... "and now we have just 12 hours left to go" lol.

Two years of info still to come from that little sucker, given that it keeps functioning. Fucking awesome.
CORN GIRL + Flash + FanTaSy + CholeraSC + iNcontroL 4 eva <3
Poyo
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada790 Posts
August 06 2012 21:32 GMT
#771
On August 07 2012 06:29 AlgeriaT wrote:
Yeah, it kind of put things in perspective when they said that Curiosity had traveled 56 million kilometres... "and now we have just 12 hours left to go" lol.

Two years of info still to come from that little sucker, given that it keeps functioning. Fucking awesome.



At least 2 years *fingers crossed*

Opportunity has been driving around Mars for 8 years now.
Poyo! poyo! poyo! poyo! poyo!
erkicman
Profile Joined October 2010
United States206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 22:03:55
August 06 2012 21:47 GMT
#772
On August 07 2012 00:52 Vega62a wrote:
Anybody who brings the argument "this is a waste of money, it could be spent better on earth" is massively shortsighted.

For starters, NASA has the smallest budget of any major federal agency. The Olympics cost three times as much as the Curiosity mission. Simply put, NASA doesn't get a lot of money. We could triple its budget and it would STILL be small potatoes as government agencies go.

NASA employs some of the world's smartest engineers, and asks them to solve problems that literally nobody has ever solved before, and to accomplish things so incredible they boggle the mind. In two years they have more than halved the size of the landing ellipse. If you don't know what that means, look it up. It's freaking incredible.

What do you think happens when you take a bunch of really smart engineers and tell them to solve a problem? A bunch of problems pop up along the way, and the engineers solve those too. When they solve those problems, the rest of us get a bunch of really incredible technology. NASA doesn't keep it for themselves. These technologies create new industries. New jobs.

You want to get out of a global recession? Advance. You want to advance? Do something you've never done before.

I can't believe anybody could be so shortsighted as to say funding NASA would not directly benefit everyone on the planet. They literally have no idea what they're saying.

Edit: Seriously though, read that technology link. It's a list (no idea if comprehensive) of uses that people have found for technologies pioneered by NASA. Read that, and then come back and tell me that NASA is a waste of money, ever.


It really makes me sad that Teamliquid doesn't have a "like button" for posts like these. This post basically sums up my opinion on the matter completely. It's very depressing reading posts on CNN ("DOWN WITH NASA!") after reading something like the post quoted here.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 21:57:24
August 06 2012 21:53 GMT
#773
On August 07 2012 06:05 Candadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 06:03 xrapture wrote:
I guess I'll never understand the importance of these types of things or why everyone gets so excited. To me, it just seems like a waste of 2.5 billion dollars that will accomplish very little (virtually nothing).

Even after I read 2 pages of why the Curiosity rover is important I can't see the value in it.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Apparently creating a wonder for the future, and inspiring children for a love of the Sciences, Mathematics, and Engineering while we expand humanity's presence beyond this planet has no value. Nope, all this is just a waste of money. Nothing ever of value comes from these pointless investments of money. I'm sure that's what people said to Einstein when hew as researching the useless General Theory of Relativity, when it turned out to be massively important to, you know, EVERYTHING in the modern world from Satellites that let your internet and phones work to the modern buildings you walk in every day. Yep, scientific progress is fucking stupid. Why would anyone want to reach out to the stars and inspire the youth to do practical things like engineering and math and science instead of sitting around playign video games all day.

You do realize how fucking important it would be for us to leave this planet? Helium-3 on the moon makes Nuclear Fusion possible, and if we find Oil on Mars? Do you fucking realize how big of a deal that is? And to move humanity out of Earth's sphere alone is a huge deal for preserving it. Distasters are a frequent thing on this planet, especially near-life ending ones. The amount of minerals and shit that could come from Mineral Rich Asteroids in mining operations?

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIZU8cQWXc



When we stop dreaming and stop looking to the stars, we stop progressing. This kind of shit inspires people. If it doesn't inspire you, I honestly feel sorry for you.

We spend more than almost the entire world combined on our military program, and less than half a cent to the tax dollar on the space program. And yet, you are SERIOUSLY arguing that the space program is the fucking issue here? We're not even in the top 20 in sciences and math in the world. It shocks me that people are arguing we should cut them even more out of our lives. Imagine if a man set foot in mars in the next 15 years. Just put that into perspective. A man sets foot on another fucking planet for the first time in history. Could you imagine how that would influence the world? Both politically, economically, and philosophically? How much that will influence people to become engineers and scientists?

I'm done editing a promise.


It's funny that you posted that picture. Do you know how "inspiring" the Statue of Liberty and the Eiffel Tower are today? They are nothing more than tourist attractions. And I'd be more than happy to see the Pyramids destroyed. Why preserve "wonders" that are a testament to slavery?

You speak a lot about the importance of inspiring future children to be scientists, mathematics, and engineers. Doesn't that seem like a selfish motive-- hoping impressionable children are manipulated into becoming slaves to the scientific community?

" inspire the youth to do practical things like engineering and math and science" Ah, of all the words I've heard in relation to math, something that isn't required in nearly any of the world's jobs, practical is one I've not heard. And $2.5 billion to look at rocks on Mars is practical to you? I think you need to look up the definition of the word.

Yea, ok we spend too much money on the military, I've heard that argument many times. But, is that seriously your argument? People say the Rover is a waste of money and you point the finger to something else? That is not how you argue and it's immature to be honest, but I'll bite.

Look, technology and society is evolving at an exponentially faster rate than humanity. We are just smart monkies, after all. We have animalistic instincts, carnal desires, and we are all utterly selfish. Look at the most powerful and successful nations in the world's history: The United States, Great Britian, and Rome. Wars sculpted these countries and will always be a part of the world as long as primitive creatures like humans rule it.

If man steps foot on Mars it will be the equivalent of moving a fraction of a nano-meter from the Earth's surface (in relation to the universe). Sorry if I'm not inspired by that.

If man makes the world self sustainable-- yes that will be inspiring. So I guess you can lump me in with all the people that say that we should fix our world's problems before embarking on huge scientific endeavors. Of course I know crime or poverty can never be completely eliminated, but imagine if the entire world was like most of Europe. Can we aim for that? Can we aim for a low birth rate and a very small amount of starving citizens before we spend billions to look at rocks?

Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 21:58:28
August 06 2012 21:58 GMT
#774
On August 07 2012 06:53 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 06:05 Candadar wrote:
On August 07 2012 06:03 xrapture wrote:
I guess I'll never understand the importance of these types of things or why everyone gets so excited. To me, it just seems like a waste of 2.5 billion dollars that will accomplish very little (virtually nothing).

Even after I read 2 pages of why the Curiosity rover is important I can't see the value in it.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Apparently creating a wonder for the future, and inspiring children for a love of the Sciences, Mathematics, and Engineering while we expand humanity's presence beyond this planet has no value. Nope, all this is just a waste of money. Nothing ever of value comes from these pointless investments of money. I'm sure that's what people said to Einstein when hew as researching the useless General Theory of Relativity, when it turned out to be massively important to, you know, EVERYTHING in the modern world from Satellites that let your internet and phones work to the modern buildings you walk in every day. Yep, scientific progress is fucking stupid. Why would anyone want to reach out to the stars and inspire the youth to do practical things like engineering and math and science instead of sitting around playign video games all day.

You do realize how fucking important it would be for us to leave this planet? Helium-3 on the moon makes Nuclear Fusion possible, and if we find Oil on Mars? Do you fucking realize how big of a deal that is? And to move humanity out of Earth's sphere alone is a huge deal for preserving it. Distasters are a frequent thing on this planet, especially near-life ending ones. The amount of minerals and shit that could come from Mineral Rich Asteroids in mining operations?

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIZU8cQWXc



When we stop dreaming and stop looking to the stars, we stop progressing. This kind of shit inspires people. If it doesn't inspire you, I honestly feel sorry for you.

We spend more than almost the entire world combined on our military program, and less than half a cent to the tax dollar on the space program. And yet, you are SERIOUSLY arguing that the space program is the fucking issue here? We're not even in the top 20 in sciences and math in the world. It shocks me that people are arguing we should cut them even more out of our lives. Imagine if a man set foot in mars in the next 15 years. Just put that into perspective. A man sets foot on another fucking planet for the first time in history. Could you imagine how that would influence the world? Both politically, economically, and philosophically? How much that will influence people to become engineers and scientists?

I'm done editing a promise.


It's funny that you posted that picture. Do you know how "inspiring" the Statue of Liberty and the Eiffel Tower are today? They are nothing more than tourist attractions. And I'd be more than happy to see the Pyramids destroyed. Why preserve "wonders" that are a testament to slavery?

You speak a lot about the importance of inspiring future children to be scientists, mathematics, and engineers. Doesn't that seem like a selfish motive-- hoping impressionable children are manipulated into becoming slaves to the scientific community?

" inspire the youth to do practical things like engineering and math and science" Ah, of all the words I've heard in relation to math, something that isn't required in nearly any of the world's jobs, practical is one I've not heard. And $2.5 billion to look at rocks on Mars is practical to you? I think you need to look up the definition of the word.

Yea, ok we spend too much money on the military, I've heard that argument many times. But, is that seriously your argument? People say the Rover is a waste of money and you point the finger to something else? That is not how you argue and it's immature to be honest, but I'll bite.

Look, technology and society is evolving at an exponentially faster rate than humanity. We are just smart monkies, after all. We have animalistic instincts, carnal desires, and we are all utterly selfish. Look at the most powerful and successful nations in the world's history: The United States, Great Britian, and Rome. Wars sculpted these countries and will always be a part of the world as long as primitive creatures like humans rule it.

If man steps foot on Mars it will be the equivalent of moving a fraction of a nano-meter from the Earth's surface (in relation to the universe). Sorry if I'm not inspired by that.

If man makes the world self sustainable-- yes that will be inspiring. So I guess you can lump me in with all the people that say that we should fix our world's problems before embarking on huge scientific endeavors. Of course I know crime or poverty can never be completely eliminated, but imagine if the entire world was like most of Europe. Can we aim for that? Can we aim for a low birth rate and a very small amount of starving citizens before we spend billions to look at rocks?




The pyramids weren't built by slaves, they were built by skilled laborers who were well-paid for their services, and represent one of Man's first architectural triumphs. Don't go spouting random unfounded beliefs about human achievement without backing them up.

Wikipedia wrote:
The Greeks, many years after the event, believed it must have been built by slave labor. Archaeologists now believe that the Great Pyramid of Giza (at least) was built by tens of thousands of skilled workers who camped near the pyramids and worked for a salary or as a form of tax payment (levy) until the construction was completed, pointing to worker's cemeteries discovered in 1990 by archaeologists Zahi Hawass and Mark Lehner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques

The exploration to Mars is inexpensive, and worth it to find out new things. When the first men played with fire, maybe they got burned and maybe it was a lot of effort, and maybe nobody knew what it would be good for, but in time they learned to control it and use it to keep them warm and cook their food.

Science and the pursuit of knowledge and the broadening of our horizons need no justification.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 06 2012 21:59 GMT
#775
Everybody. Scrap all future NASA plans; xrapture wasn't impressed.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Tarot
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada440 Posts
August 06 2012 22:03 GMT
#776
On August 07 2012 06:59 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Everybody. Scrap all future NASA plans; xrapture wasn't impressed.

Demolish all the world wonders. I hear he doesn't like those either.
Left4Cookies
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Denmark803 Posts
August 06 2012 22:04 GMT
#777
On August 07 2012 07:03 Tarot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 06:59 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Everybody. Scrap all future NASA plans; xrapture wasn't impressed.

Demolish all the world wonders. I hear he doesn't like those either.


Put the money in the bank. It'll only take about 132 years with an annual interest of 2.5% to reach the annual military overseas expenses.
Engineering's like math. But LOUDER!
HomeWorld
Profile Joined December 2011
Romania903 Posts
August 06 2012 22:05 GMT
#778
I hear that that guy wants his 7$ back (a sum that each american tax payer contributed to the success of Curiosity) for sniffing purposes.
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
August 06 2012 22:06 GMT
#779
On August 07 2012 07:05 HomeWorld wrote:
I hear that that guy wants his 7$ back (a sum that each american tax payer contributed to the success of Curiosity) for sniffing purposes.


He could buy a lottery ticket and a 40 oz with that.
Nanikure
Profile Joined August 2010
United States53 Posts
August 06 2012 22:19 GMT
#780
Don't worry xrapture, I'll drop an extra $7 to NASA so you can get yours back to solve poverty with.
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