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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 03 2012 04:17 GMT
#221
It's not even the physical side that bothers me. My problem is with the idea of an Olympic "sport" that would last all of one Olympics. Maybe two or three at most? Horrible idea.

Maybe decades down the line when we have a game that manages to last a lifetime, but right now it's a total joke to even consider.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
August 03 2012 04:20 GMT
#222
The only video game I would even consider to be a potential Olympiad is Tetris
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frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
August 03 2012 04:20 GMT
#223
Who's to say that SC3 ought to be considered a different sport from SC2? Since the SC2 expansions will clearly be out before 2020, the people in this thread appear to be fine with calling them same sport as SC2 itself, so is it completely obviously the case that the differences in SC3 will make it a different sport?

Consider some athletic sport analogies. I'd say the introduction of the DH in American League baseball is comparable in magnitude to introducing new units and it completely altered the required skill sets for a number of players. Adjustments over time to the strike zone, height of the pitcher's mound, and ball composition are similarly comparable to stat alterations. You could of course make similar comparisons in other sports such as with the constant rule-changing in the NBA and NFL and their respective introductions of such game-changers the 3-point line and the 2-point conversion.

The strongest counter-claim, it seems to me, is that SC2 players more or less have to completely relearn the new game, and as the current BW pro transition is showing, it can take them quite some time to adapt. This is certainly a compelling difference, but there are a few challenges to it. First, this is nearly as true of the expansions as it is of the sequels, but everyone here seems fine labeling them the same sport. Second, there are limited comparisons even to this type of change in athletic sports. For instance, baseball's outlawing of the spitball ended the careers of many who thrived off of it (though most of these were grandfathered) and the DH rule can make certain inept fielders more or less completely incapable of succeeding in the National League.

In short, there might not be anything completely revolutionary in thinking of the chain of SCs as a single, continuous sport undergoing gradual changes but surviving through them, and perhaps we should adjust to thinking this way.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 04:25:52
August 03 2012 04:24 GMT
#224
On August 03 2012 12:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 12:01 Praetorial wrote:
Poll: Should video games even be in the Olympics?

No, all forms of competitive activity in the Olympics should be highly physical (27)
 
71%

Yes, physical activity shouldn't be the sole focus (11)
 
29%

I don't know (0)
 
0%

38 total votes

Your vote: Should video games even be in the Olympics?

(Vote): Yes, physical activity shouldn't be the sole focus
(Vote): No, all forms of competitive activity in the Olympics should be highly physical
(Vote): I don't know




This is a poorly worded question.

In what way is shooting or equestrian sports physical activity?

Sure it requires training and practice to become a truly skilled contestant but so do e-sports.

By your wording of said question a huge number of events could be invalidated because they arent physical enough.


This has been argued in previous threads.

Things like equestrian and shooting are 90% physical skill, whereas an esport is 90% mental skill.

Who's to say that SC3 ought to be considered a different sport from SC2? Since the SC2 expansions will clearly be out before 2020, the people in this thread appear to be fine with calling them same sport as SC2 itself, so is it completely obviously the case that the differences in SC3 will make it a different sport?

Consider some athletic sport analogies. I'd say the introduction of the DH in American League baseball is comparable in magnitude to introducing new units and it completely altered the required skill sets for a number of players. Adjustments over time to the strike zone, height of the pitcher's mound, and ball composition are similarly comparable to stat alterations. You could of course make similar comparisons in other sports such as with the constant rule-changing in the NBA and NFL and their respective introductions of such game-changers the 3-point line and the 2-point conversion.

The strongest counter-claim, it seems to me, is that SC2 players more or less have to completely relearn the new game, and as the current BW pro transition is showing, it can take them quite some time to adapt. This is certainly a compelling difference, but there are a few challenges to it. First, this is nearly as true of the expansions as it is of the sequels, but everyone here seems fine labeling them the same sport. Second, there are limited comparisons even to this type of change in athletic sports. For instance, baseball's outlawing of the spitball ended the careers of many who thrived off of it (though most of these were grandfathered) and the DH rule can make certain inept fielders more or less completely incapable of succeeding in the National League.

In short, there might not be anything completely revolutionary in thinking of the chain of SCs as a single, continuous sport undergoing gradual changes but surviving through them, and perhaps we should adjust to thinking this way.


This would be like arguing that BW and WoL are the same game. We'll skip the arguments and just get to the conclusion; they aren't.
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althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
August 03 2012 04:26 GMT
#225
If you can have Equestrian (a sport for horses) and shooting (certainly less physical than top-level starcraft), then there's no reason to not have Starcraft. Tetris, definitely not, and LoL is kinda hard to watch for spectators, but Starcraft is not only more popular than many Olympic sports (and so is LoL), it is also more competitive and more accessible.

It's great to watch (does anybody watch LoL that doesn't play it?) and has proven longevity (Broodwar was played for 14 years).
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MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
August 03 2012 04:27 GMT
#226
im sure south korea would be very willing to accept starcraft as a new game
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FeUerFlieGe
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1193 Posts
August 03 2012 04:29 GMT
#227
I don't understand why people have this itch on eSports being recognized as a legitimate sport. You're only admitting that eSports is a joke until it's recognized as a sport. It doesn't need to be a sport. Why? BECAUSE IT'S A FREAKING E-SPORT!!!!! There is a reason we don't call games we play on computers sports. You should be proud of that. Proud to be a gamer. If you are not, if you want more gratification, if you feel under entitled because what goes on here isn't considered a sport, you may leave and never come back. Go play some water polo or something.
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MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 04:29:48
August 03 2012 04:29 GMT
#228
wow that lady "that's sad". no lady you're sad for being such a myopic and ignorant person despite your position in the media
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Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1801 Posts
August 03 2012 04:30 GMT
#229
If StarCraft 2 gets a single governing body, it should be an Olympic event (notice I don't say sport). Currently there are a few things here and there that set the rules but they aren't consistent enough. If the StarCraft community gets one, it would be easy to determine what rules to follow. Now, it would still be possible to pick what rules or map pool by just picking from say WCS or GSL. It would be nice for eSports to show up in the Olympics because then we wouldn't be as ridiculed by the general public.

Even if SC3 comes out shortly after SC2 being in the Olympics, it wouldn't matter because people would have been intrigued enough by watching SC2 to do some sort of research or atleast acknowledge it as a real event that requires training and practise just as any other sport does.

All in all, StarCraft probably should get in. It is going to happen sometime or another, why not now?
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 03 2012 04:30 GMT
#230
Sorry to sound like an ass, but when I saw the link began with www.foxnews... I instantly figured this to be BS.
I will come back and apologize if any of these games actually becomes olympic, which luckily for me won´t happen.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 03 2012 04:31 GMT
#231
StarCraft: BroodWar.
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EnergizerBunny
Profile Joined January 2012
29 Posts
August 03 2012 04:34 GMT
#232
BroodWar obviously, but voted Tetris for that poll.
I deleted SC2 because it sucks
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 03 2012 04:34 GMT
#233
Olympics for me is about competition, training and mental strenght.
The world is probably not ready for watching a video game as a true 'sport' but I am. And I'm willing to bet he will be real one day. Perhaps after 2020, who know.

But limiting Olympics and sport to " physical effort" is very close minded in my opinion.
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Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
August 03 2012 04:37 GMT
#234
I don't really like the idea of an e-sport becoming an olympic event but if it did I think counter-strike would be a more fitting game with the team dynamic.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
August 03 2012 04:39 GMT
#235
SC2 doesn't have the proven longevity or physicality to be in the Olympics. Plus I'd say it's a stretch to realistically happen unless SC2 gains much more world wide popularity.

But if archery is in the Olympics, it doesn't seem so out of the question
http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/archery/story/_/id/8204730/summer-olympics-2012-legally-blind-south-korean-archer-im-dong-hyun-sets-world-marks
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 04:58:21
August 03 2012 04:44 GMT
#236
On August 03 2012 07:32 StateofReverie wrote:


handicap olympics (olympics ez mode)
#1 lol
#2 tic tac toe
#3 wow



rofled hard

Maybe once we've been on the same balance patch for at least a decade. Rule changes exist in olympic sports, but they're few and far between.
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
August 03 2012 04:46 GMT
#237
I'd prefer to keep video and computer games out of the Olympics. That's what WCGs was made for.
cresse
Profile Joined July 2012
United States59 Posts
August 03 2012 04:49 GMT
#238
I agree, but having such an insanely huge platform for esports would be incredible. Absolutely insane. I would go fucking nuts seeing MVP vs DRG in a bo7 finals at the goddamn Olympics. How insane would that be. I would lose my shit so hard
ArnaudF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France993 Posts
August 03 2012 04:50 GMT
#239
Sc2 players would be an.embarassement to any delegation
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
August 03 2012 04:54 GMT
#240
-_-
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