EPTOn August 03 2012 15:52 boyle wrote:
take baseball and softball out and make room for sc2, sure.
take baseball and softball out and make room for sc2, sure.
baseball and softball were already taken out this year
Starcraft II Considered For Future Olympics - Page 14
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Shellshock
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baseball and softball were already taken out this year | ||
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askTeivospy
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On August 03 2012 15:13 mahO wrote: You clearly have no freaking idea what you're talking about. If you go that way, I'd say that Starcraft 2 excellence is even harder to reach than most Olympics sports on a mental and physical level (you really believe it is easy to play 8 hours a day (on average) for 3 years, both mentally and physically?), lots of sports doesnt require such training, a lot of athletes have a job and still win at the olympics, find me one pro gamer capable of being top 10 SC2 in the world that doesnt play full time? Point made. I like Idra's comment about if you're exhausted from playing a video game then theres something wrong with you. I think you can become mentally tired of a game, but not physically unless there actually is something wrong with you. There is no physical component to SC2 or any other video game and only deluded people that have points as dull as hay think there are /roll eyes. IMO if you think SC2 is physical, I'd venture to say you've never done a day of work in your life | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
I'm concerned about how they would run the tournament, but a few more years of SC2 and presumably, there will be tournaments that "get it," even to the point of no extended series, and they can just borrow ideas or help. If it's something that will be streamed on NBC, I imagine certain levels of censorship will be required from players and possibly sportsmanship as well. Blizzard will also be in a rather strange position, in addition to the one they already occupy, as the game relies on their servers to run, and it relies on their balance as well. I'm not too worried about whether or not they'll do it right, as perfection is impossible, but they'll be in the spotlight in a very uncomfortable way whenever things go wrong. Like the anti-gamers, hopefully those issues are much better in the future. P.S. It should be in the Winter Olympics, furthering the Swedish progamer stereotype of nerds getting good at games while staying out of the cold. Edit: by the way, when I say it's not as big a deal as it sounds, it's still a big deal, but hopefully not some massive culture war that ends up in witchhunts. We're pretty averse to those. | ||
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SheaR619
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julianto
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Picklebread
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julianto
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On August 03 2012 15:54 askTeivospy wrote: I like Idra's comment about if you're exhausted from playing a video game then theres something wrong with you. I think you can become mentally tired of a game, but not physically unless there actually is something wrong with you. There is no physical component to SC2 or any other video game and only deluded people that have points as dull as hay think there are /roll eyes. IMO if you think SC2 is physical, I'd venture to say you've never done a day of work in your life My hands and back feel sooooo tired after a long session of SC2.  | ||
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Medrea
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Good going esports community! Keep plugging away! | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On August 03 2012 16:05 Picklebread wrote: No video games should ever be a part of the olympics. That would be a disgrace. Sorry but as much as I like SC2 this is what I feel. Imagine watching the camera go from Phelps/Bolt to some random kid playing tetris.. We have WCG/ESWC and people don't put that much effort into them. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
A person sitting in a chair, in front of a PC, playing with their keyboard and mouse, while the spectator watches a different screen to see the action. Even the other sports where 'tools'(as broad a term as I could think of) are used, the action is still centered upon the athletes use of their tools, and there is no disconnect between the athlete, their tool, and the end action performed(example: rifle is held in athletes hand, bullet is shot at skeet on screen, and pink spray is seen, all without camera change, it is a fluid event). Because of the monitor 'problem' mentioned above, spectator perspective is locked in an awkward spot where you can't view each competitor at the same time in non-fighting games. In BW/SC2 the cameraman will obviously do his best to 'inform' but there is incomplete information and missed action. In an FPS, you can only follow one perspective at once unless you split screen/PiP/etc to solve the problem. In other sports where there is direct competition, almost 100% of the action is caught on camera, with the only exceptions being things such as a run/break away in football/basketball, where still the only action not left in view is unimportant(athletes trailing the play). On top of all of this, video games are volatile. SC2 wasn't the same 2 weeks ago, and it wasn't the same a couple months before that, and a few months before that, etc back to release. HotS won't visually change the game TOO much, but it will drastically change it in a 'rules' sense. Also, visually, video games age, a problem no other game in the Olympics has to deal with. Technology may bring about newer bows or rifles, higher tech uniforms, suits, bikes, you name it, but the overall visual will barely change because humans are humans, and they are the foundation of every single event competed in. eSports would be the very first exception to that rule. A video game can actually be played without a human, the game itself is the foundation; there seems to be a very base disconnect between that and the 'value' of competition in all other Olypmic sport. | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
 On August 03 2012 16:12 fortheGG wrote: Sorry but as much as I like SC2 this is what I feel. Imagine watching the camera go from Phelps/Bolt to some random kid playing tetris.. We have WCG/ESWC and people don't put that much effort into them. Maybe you shouldn't compare "some random kid" with the two biggest stars of the olympics. There are "sports" like gun shooting and horse riding at the olympics for christ sake. As long as some fat 50 year old housewife (hi @ shooting competition) is able to take part in the olympics I don't think Flash would be totally out of place. | ||
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Talin
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It has a much longer history and tradition, definitely a worthy representative of gaming as a whole It's already withstood the test of time whereas other games may (and probably will) easily die out in the next 4 years It has simple rules and is easy to watch, yet is extremely difficult and challenging to play on a high level It has abstract visuals instead of space bugs and elves. But if it were my call, no way any game would ever make it to the Olympics. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 03 2012 07:30 aeroblaster wrote: You put LoL up on that list but not Dota 2? mega hard fail dude LoL has a way larger fanbase due to it being free to play and dota2 isnt open to everyone yet and alot of people I know dont wanna go through the hurdle of getting themselves a beta key when theycan just play LoL | ||
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Starburst
United States108 Posts
On August 03 2012 14:41 FFGenerations wrote: can you explain what we're watching? does waving the sword block the gun bullets or something? It can. Basically, the game is a Third Person Shooter that when released was probably supposed to be akin to CoD, except TPS of course. However, due to some errors in the code, the were a lot of cancels that people discovered that have lead to the game that you see in that video. If you're more interested in the mechanics, I can try answering that to the best of my ability, but it's rather hard to describe and would take quite a while to explain. I'm willing to tell people if they're interested, though. It'd be nice to contribute to that community somehow since it's quite dead atm. | ||
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realbutter
Ireland28 Posts
The computer itself could be considered as a motor. The reasoning for this rule seems to be that any sort of "motor" acts as a barrier between the athletes skill and their performance. If you think of it in this sense then factors such as lag, computer difficulties, etc. prevent players from performing at their maximum skill. WCS already exists and I'm sure if there is enough demand going into the future an E-Sports Olympics that takes places every 4 years (or however often) will be concieved. Let's work on getting E-Sports more mainstream and accpeted before trying to call them all Olympics sports. Being able recognised on a wider scale and audience first would be a much better goal than just jumping for being an Olympic sport. tl;dr E-sports don't seem suitable for Olympics. Insted aim to be accepted as serious competition, gain a wider audience and the rest will follow. | ||
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ScienceNotBusiness
United States91 Posts
On August 03 2012 07:36 Vestrel wrote: That reporter is so quick to be dismissive. "That's sad." is her first reaction Really? She has no idea. ..Actually she's one of those people who bash badminton and she works for Fox News so I guess I'm not really surprised Sending angry tweets brb Ya, it's Megyn Kelly. She's a highly paid Fox News cunt. What can you expect? She probably got a pat on the back for saying that. You know, Fox News has to pretend like they're being neutral in their news, while at the same time they secretly bash, distort, and censor everything and everyone that they don't like. | ||
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ScienceNotBusiness
United States91 Posts
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Schlootle
United States54 Posts
On August 03 2012 15:52 boyle wrote: take baseball and softball out and make room for sc2, sure. Baseball was pretty boring when it was in the Olympics though, all of the best players didn't care enough about it because MLB, unlike the NHL, won't pause the season so their athletes can compete and represent their countries. Also a World Series trophy/rings is miles ahead of the priority list for them than a little national pride and a gold medal. And Softball kinda got shafted, it was only removed because of its loose affiliation to Baseball. I do not want SC2 in the Olympics though because 1. Pro gaming is just not accepted enough for it to not be ridiculed and 2. the Olympics are just plain boring to be honest. Does anyone ever watch swimming matches, volleyball, badminton, track and field, gymnastics, weight lifting, or all the other "small" time sports they premier? Even just an average annual regular season for MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL or even the MLS obtains much more spectators and is really just a bigger deal than a few gold medals everyone forgets about 2 weeks afterwards. After winning a World Series or the Super Bowl, the teams hometown will be celebrating it until the next season starts, but for the Olympics, it is just not as great or entertaining as it used to be. | ||
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ain
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