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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
The constant switching between characters worked at times, but other times I felt as though they should have taken longer on each scene and dropped the pace. It was a bit too break-neck the whole way through, rather than varied (which I would have preferred). Still had an absolute blast watching it. Not a perfect movie, not even close. But what it is is a remarkable display of acting, writing and directing prowess on behalf of all those involved. I feel as though this will be one of those movies that was canned upon release ala blade runner, but lives on and becomes a cult classic in the next generation. | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:12 HeavenS wrote: ive been dying to watch this movie but i havent read the book. Im scared that if i watch the movie i will be depriving myself of a great read. Is the book very long? Should i just skip it and watch the movie or definitely book first? Honestly, you can watch the movie and then read the book without spoiling a great deal. The two are so very different.. I personally watched the trailer for the movie and got a picture for the characters and locations, then went and read the book and just recently watched the movie. The book isn't very long either, only 500 pages or so. It's an absolute page-turner too. Couldn't put it down. | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:18 deth wrote: Honestly, you can watch the movie and then read the book without spoiling a great deal. The two are so very different.. I personally watched the trailer for the movie and got a picture for the characters and locations, then went and read the book and just recently watched the movie. The book isn't very long either, only 500 pages or so. It's an absolute page-turner too. Couldn't put it down. I first seen the trailer and thought the movie looked amazing, didn't know it was a book at all. Found out it was a book just days before going to see it, so I didn't have a chance to read it first. When it came out we went to see it. I thought it was a "good" movie, but I left the theater slightly disappointed because I couldn't shake one thing from my mind: I felt like the plot was much deeper than I realized at the time, and I knew there was soooo many things that I missed, and that this movie will take much more than just seeing it more than once to fully understand it. This was partly due to not being able to understand some of the characters at times. Partly because when discussing the movie after seeing it I realized some characters were the same actor but I didn't recognize them at the time. Partly because I didn't fully understand the link between the characters who were the same actor in different timelines (and I'm sure theres some type of link there). I feel like I need to not only see the movie at least one more time to fully understand it, but I really think I need to read the book before seeing it. So I suggest others to read the book before going to see the movie, it may help the experience a bit. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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zimp
Hungary959 Posts
fails to say anything while filled with a bunch of stupidity about life. 2 points only to the makeup staff this is probably outdated data but i read in Obama's book published in 2006 that 95% of american people believe in god, 2/3rds of them belong to some curch, 37% of them is commited to christianity AND THERE ARE MORE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN ANGELS THAN THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. maybe this movie is for them | ||
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
On January 02 2013 12:29 RuskiPanda wrote: If you think the movie is epic just because it has a few characters (actors) connected across a few timelines then think again. It tried way too hard to be deep and interconnected but in the end I couldn't give 2 shits about any of the characters because every time there was room for character development it just cut to a different timeline. I was actually hoping some of the characters would die instead of inevitably hooking up at the end because its "fate". Sounds like you just didnt get it, rather than a fault with the movie itself. | ||
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squanzo
68 Posts
On January 02 2013 12:21 zimp wrote: it was 2/10 for me fails to say anything while filled with a bunch of stupidity about life. 2 points only to the makeup staff this is probably outdated data but i read in Obama's book published in 2006 that 95% of american people believe in god, 2/3rds of them belong to some curch, 37% of them is commited to christianity AND THERE ARE MORE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN ANGELS THAN THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. maybe this movie is for them Oh look, a terrible opinion. I don't even know where to start with you so I'll make this as simple as possible. They were adapting a book. They enjoyed the book so much that they wanted to make the movie. I never read the book, but I can tell you that the quality of this movie is top-notch. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but to pull of how seamless the movie works together with excellent direction and acting is not by accident. These are professionals, top notch in the business, making an amazing movie while staying true to the fiction the movie's based off of. If you didn't like it, fine, but to 'rate' it 2/10 just shows how truly ignorant you are. Personally I thought the movie was great. It encompasses a lot of the themes about life that you seem to dismiss given your 'analysis' on Americans believing in 'angels' or the fact that you simply read books about Obama rather than books like Cloud Atlas. | ||
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ETisME
12891 Posts
On January 02 2013 12:21 zimp wrote: it was 2/10 for me fails to say anything while filled with a bunch of stupidity about life. 2 points only to the makeup staff this is probably outdated data but i read in Obama's book published in 2006 that 95% of american people believe in god, 2/3rds of them belong to some curch, 37% of them is commited to christianity AND THERE ARE MORE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN ANGELS THAN THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. maybe this movie is for them damn, how closed mind you have to be? evolution is a THEORY. It's not a LAW of science. It contradicts several LAWs: second law of thermodynamics and Law of Biogenesis. It seems you aren't much different to those people you so despise. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On January 02 2013 12:21 zimp wrote: it was 2/10 for me fails to say anything while filled with a bunch of stupidity about life. 2 points only to the makeup staff this is probably outdated data but i read in Obama's book published in 2006 that 95% of american people believe in god, 2/3rds of them belong to some curch, 37% of them is commited to christianity AND THERE ARE MORE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN ANGELS THAN THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. maybe this movie is for them What ? Hoky fucking wath the fuck haha. I'm totally atheist and still I really loved this movie. I don't see your point there tbh. | ||
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Tilorn91
Serbia218 Posts
Something about the pacing, beautiful picture and music, stories and the overall feel of the movie just resonated with me. Found it beautiful, relaxing, enjoyable and thrilling all at the same time. Last time I felt like this was watching Inception. | ||
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Jamial
Denmark1289 Posts
On January 02 2013 13:49 ETisME wrote: damn, how closed mind you have to be? evolution is a THEORY. It's not a LAW of science. It contradicts several LAWs: second law of thermodynamics and Law of Biogenesis. It seems you aren't much different to those people you so despise. Awhathuhareyouserious? lol.. no it's not a law of science, but it's the best explanation there is. Atleast there's more data supporting that, than data support god/angels............ | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On January 02 2013 13:49 ETisME wrote: Evolution is as much a theory as the theory of gravity. damn, how closed mind you have to be? evolution is a THEORY. It's not a LAW of science. It contradicts several LAWs: second law of thermodynamics and Law of Biogenesis. Evolution does not contradict any law of thermodynamics, it is based on understood chemical rections which do not contradict the seconds law of thermodynamics. While life maintains a structured order for itself, it overall increases entropy. Life is not a closed system, but the second law of thermodynamics applies to closed systems only. Where did you get your physics from? Evolution is an observed fact. Evolution is consistent with DNA comparisons, fossils, the geographical distribution of species and everything else. It also does not contradict the proposed law of biogenesis. Evolution kicks in when we have life already. How life arose in the first place is called abiogenesis. Since there is no clear distinction between life and some very complex chemical reactions, abiogenesis does not pose a threat to the hypothesis of getting life out of natural chemical reactions. The abiogenesis issue has not been solved yet, but not because the lack of theories, instead because of many competing theories, many of them quite plausible. All relying on natural phenomena only. | ||
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FatChunk
Canada93 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 02 2013 12:21 zimp wrote: it was 2/10 for me fails to say anything while filled with a bunch of stupidity about life. 2 points only to the makeup staff this is probably outdated data but i read in Obama's book published in 2006 that 95% of american people believe in god, 2/3rds of them belong to some curch, 37% of them is commited to christianity AND THERE ARE MORE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN ANGELS THAN THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. maybe this movie is for them I'm trying to imagine how you could post something like this with a straight face. I imagine that you would say the exact same thing in a review for a Studio Ghibli movie, for example, because they almost all have some kind of magic or folk mythology incorporated into the themes and plots. Or do they get a pass because they are Japanese, and the non-West are forgiven for their superstitions because they're exotic and noble savages? Or perhaps at this point you come to realize that fiction could simply be what it is? | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On January 02 2013 12:21 zimp wrote: it was 2/10 for me fails to say anything while filled with a bunch of stupidity about life. 2 points only to the makeup staff this is probably outdated data but i read in Obama's book published in 2006 that 95% of american people believe in god, 2/3rds of them belong to some curch, 37% of them is commited to christianity AND THERE ARE MORE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN ANGELS THAN THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. maybe this movie is for them So you're basing the stupidity of all Americans on a book written by an American? Ok. Anyhow, it didn't really wow me as a movie but it was OK. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Aside from the actors, the sextet, the birthmark, and a string of flashbacks really seem to be the only things connecting the characters across timelines (very loosely, might I add). It's fairly obvious that there's an element of reincarnation - where the same souls tend to interact with one another despite the timelines being separated by centuries. There also seems to be a certain element of escaping captivity or fighting for freedom in some way, shape, or form. I'm not really sure how the actions of individuals were rippling across time and space, or if the actions of those in the past were even significant in the future in any way (aside from the obvious connections - the sextet, Erving's book, the letters, the preaching of the Korean clone and her cult in the future). I didn't really feel like I'd experienced much more than a 3 hour long Wachowski Bros. circle jerk about reincarnation, destiny, and a sort of "chosen one". Not really my cup of tea, but in no way a terrible movie. At least some people will think about freedom and lack of freedom a little differently due to movies like this. You really do need to slap people in the face to make such a point, though, and I'm not convinced that they got their point across to the entire audience - especially those who didn't understand wtf they saw. | ||
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zimp
Hungary959 Posts
On January 02 2013 13:28 squanzo wrote: Oh look, a terrible opinion. I don't even know where to start with you so I'll make this as simple as possible. They were adapting a book. They enjoyed the book so much that they wanted to make the movie. I never read the book, but I can tell you that the quality of this movie is top-notch. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but to pull of how seamless the movie works together with excellent direction and acting is not by accident. These are professionals, top notch in the business, making an amazing movie while staying true to the fiction the movie's based off of. If you didn't like it, fine, but to 'rate' it 2/10 just shows how truly ignorant you are. Personally I thought the movie was great. It encompasses a lot of the themes about life that you seem to dismiss given your 'analysis' on Americans believing in 'angels' or the fact that you simply read books about Obama rather than books like Cloud Atlas. haha. you really think that? they don't make these adaptations because they enjoy the books so much, they make them because its usually huge business. if i'm buying their product, of course i have high standards, and if i'm displeased with it, i will rate it bad. apparently they screw it up and i'm not alone because the movie fails to make profit. as for the novel i can't say anything because i didn't read it. but if they make a movie it should be standing alone fine without the book. however this story telling was a complete crap. taken from the movie's wikipedia stite: "The official synopsis for Cloud Atlas describes the film as: An exploration of how the actions of individual lives impact one another in the past, present and future, as one soul is shaped from a killer into a hero, and an act of kindness ripples across centuries to inspire a revolution." so this movie is about reincarnation (?). i don't believe in that shit, but i thought those people who believe in angels believe in that too so thats why i guessed what i wrote. On January 03 2013 03:27 koreasilver wrote: I'm trying to imagine how you could post something like this with a straight face. I imagine that you would say the exact same thing in a review for a Studio Ghibli movie, for example, because they almost all have some kind of magic or folk mythology incorporated into the themes and plots. Or do they get a pass because they are Japanese, and the non-West are forgiven for their superstitions because they're exotic and noble savages? Or perhaps at this point you come to realize that fiction could simply be what it is? i watched a few studio ghibli movies and actually when i saw the trailer of this, i thought this movie is gonna be somewhat similar to those. But no. the difference between those and this was that this shit atlas tried to be theoretically possible while throwing in some seemingly big ideas about life that were actually a bunch of jibberish. basicly what they did in matrix 2 and 3 and also inception but those movies were at least a bit more logical and more spectacular. but this one wasn't even spectacular by today's standards. Studio Ghibli animes are much more free, they are real fictions. i don't agree with their ideas mostly, but they're much more clever. the ones i saw were mostly circulating around human emotions, not populist big ideas. they are sick products of the human brain. they are enjoyable crazy pieces of art. On January 03 2013 05:04 mierin wrote: So you're basing the stupidity of all Americans on a book written by an American? Ok. Anyhow, it didn't really wow me as a movie but it was OK. No dude. Not all americans, just the mass. You know, if i'm in a room with 10 stupid people that doesn't make me stupid too. | ||
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