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On March 27 2013 20:24 crappen wrote:
I just saw the ending (last 40min) another time just now, and what a Holy movie this is. I cried just as much this time, and in a way I have never cried before, I laughed at the same time. This movie is a True Love story that has no ending, cause that it what it Teaches. Love has no end, no bounderies, and no time. Through Love, Truth will be told. All the Kindness and Love in this movie lives within me, and I connect to it so well. I feel so much appreciation, and that nothing can be robbed from me, cause I am and Have Everything, and to Have, is to give all to all. This is what is meant with being in a Forgiven state of Mind.
Through Love, Truth will be revealed.
This is pretty much exactly my reaction to Braid after I finished it. I was in that state for 2 weeks lol, I wanted everyone to realise what a brilliant art piece that game is. I wish this movie recreated the feeling but I just turned it off after 1.5 hours, couldn't watch it anymore because it bore me to death 
I think a bit part of it is that I'm older now, finished college, have job, responsibilities and stuff and just dont put time and mental effort into movies as much as they require, especially this one. Nowadays I only watch movies that are relaxing after all that everyday stress. Same thing happened to me with video games basically. I can appreciate the quality of a lot of movies/games/books, but I just cant be bothered to play/watch/read them. I guess I have become this "casual" fellow everyone here speaks of with despise :D
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On March 17 2013 01:08 Spekulatius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 23:28 levelping wrote:On March 16 2013 23:11 Spekulatius wrote:On March 16 2013 22:13 levelping wrote:On March 16 2013 21:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On March 16 2013 21:32 levelping wrote:On March 16 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On March 16 2013 17:37 Spekulatius wrote:On March 16 2013 10:26 Daray wrote:On March 16 2013 10:12 Spekulatius wrote:That movie is a waste of time and money imo. But I'm open to being convinced otherwise. Can anyone who claims to have "understood" the movie try and explain what is so "deep" about it? If it's only about the Karma thing, I don't see what the hype is all about and why it needed 6 plots(which for themselves were more than mediocre, except maybe for the composer's part) to tell one story? + Show Spoiler +(I'll be up in a few hours, will be checking for answers then) Trying to convince someone why a movie is good is a waste of time... it's like trying to explain why a joke was funny. Hmm, I guess it's worse than that. There's not much to "understand" nor is there a "deep" meaning, if you didnt like it then it's not your cup of tea, just move on... geez. No need to "geez" me. I was genuinely trying to find out why some people find it to be such a meaningful movie which made me weary if I missed something. It probably wouldn't change my opinion of it much but it could make me disrespect the people less who say "oooh Cloud Atlas is so deep if you didn't like the movie you simply didn't get it". Pretentious hipsters will be pretentious hipsters. This kind of people will take even a putrid pile of shit and call you a moron for failing to see some deeper, hidden meaning (that is often not there, btw), they're literally nothing more than tryhard posers seeking validation from their peers, which they accomplish by pretending to enjoy pretentious or obscure art. It has little to do with the art in question, it could be great or it could be terrible, the problem is how idiotic and petty this kind of people is. I haven't seen Cloud Atlas yet and I might choose to do so at some point in the near future. Hopefully it will prove to be more than just a pretentious flick full of faux-philosophy. Calm down geez. Daray didn't even talk about a deeper meaning. He explicitly says there isn't much to understand... I wasn't even talking about Daray... you're taking my words out of context. Read Spekulatius' post again, then read mine again. And if you're still not sure, you can look at some of the earlier pages on this thread to see exactly what I'm talking about. ^^ Ah. I see. So you took a conversation between two people to go on your own tangential rant about pretentious hipsters. Alright, please do carry on. @ Spekulatius I'd admit that I am speaking as someone who read the synopsis of the book so from a technical point of view I can apprecite the difficulties they had to deal with when adapting the story for a visual medium. I think some of the execution bits that didn't really sit well (like the make up on actors) is really a limitation of film because unlike a book where you can identify a character as possibly a reincarnation or as having shades of another character, or even not address the point entirely and let the reader through the exposition draw his inferences, the film has to be slightly more directed, and so you need visual queues like the make up. Personally I found it a bit odd too, but given the limitations I was willing to give it a pass. Which stories did you find bland? I think that the slave ship one is arguably the weakest since there's nothing much going on, and maybe the one about the nuclear conspiracy was rather forgettable. Still I think the neo seoul, the post apocalyse, and the one with the gay lovers were sufficiently engaging. As for the link between the stories, my personal take away is that there really isn't much more than the factual connection that was offered in the plot. If you must have a common thread it's probably something like "how people respond to oppression" but I think that's so general it isn't really useful. I just see the episodes as little windows in time across a big time scale, with some factual connections that arise out of history. Which I think presents a nice sense of connectedness to the past and the future through casaulity. I don't think this is particularly deep, but it doesn't have to be deep for you to relish the notion for 3 hours or so. I liked the gay lover story. The postapocalyptic one was just bad sci-fi mixed with a touch of Robinson Crusoe. The slavery ship story was, well, just another slavery story. The nuclear conspiracy? Forgettable, I agree. And Halle Berry is a terrible actress. Neo Seoul was basically anything Orwell, mixed with the likes of Matrix or Tron and Bicentannial man. Nothing that we haven't seen before. The Cavendish publisher story tried to be funny, really wasn't. Oppression is a recurring theme. But the movie brought nothing new to the discussion. The view on oppression, slavery, subordination, fight for autonomy and humanity, was just a repetition of something I've read or watched before. And that's not really worth sitting three hours in a cinema imo. Thanks for responding though, I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. On March 16 2013 22:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
Do people really get offended when someone says that they don't 'get' a film?
I don't get romantic comedies. For the most part i don't get 80s style action flicks.
Just because i don't get them, doesn't mean i don't understand them, its a completely different thing.
If you don't 'get' a movie, it means it doesn't connect with you, you don't feel what the film-makers want you to get.
So yeah, i would say that you don't get cloud atlas if you didn't enjoy it. For me it has some sort of intangible quality, which alot of the movies that i like seem to have. Its hard to explain, but if you don't get it, its not an insult to you (more an insult to the film makers if anything).
It might just be a language thing. I equate "not getting the movie" with "not intellectually understanding a movie". "Feeling" a movie is different from "getting" a movie. I "get" the fun in chick flicks, I just don't "feel" it, meaning I don't feel anything watching most RomComs but I get what people see in it. You might be right if "getting it" and "understanding it" are two different kinds of things in English. Then again, I don't usually converse in English, so I might just have expressed myself badly :/ If I might be so bold as to suggest, I think your main issue with the film shouldn't really be that oppression is a theme handled before. I think lots of themes have been done before, and so you don't need to really reinvent the wheel insofar as themes go to make a good movie. The recent Lincoln moive for examlpe is all about a struggle for opression and it's a great movie. Personally I also think that Cloud Atlas did it a bit differently in that rather than simply saying Opression Bad! it is more so trying to say that Opression Happens. I don't think it goes so far as to do the usual oppression bad, freedom good. Again, whether oppression is bad, can be overcome or is inherent, is something the movie leaves to you to decide. I think your main issue is that you don't like the exposition. Which is a fair comment. I would agree that halle berry is not a strong actress. As for the specific plot details, I think that the two future episodes while not perfect, had enough sci-fi things to keep them interesting. The neo seoul design should be commended I think, in the way you "paint" empty rooms with holograms (?) and create food out of thin air. The post apocalyspe suffers from halle berry, but I actually enjoyed the slang/lingo that was used (i'm not sure how the german translation sounded like). For something that is supposed to be the retarded version of english, it was actually very rich in the allusions and imagery. O yes and the The Cavendish publisher. I actually found that really funny because i'm a sucker for british comedy, and it has tom hanks speaking in a hilarious english accent (again, points that might be lost in a german transaltion). Hugho Weaving in a dress was odd though. Just wanna say I watched the original version as I usually did. Halle Berry speaking "retarded" English wasn't bad, admittedly, but the whole "creating food out of thin air" and "holograms as wallpapers" is simply copied from Star Trek. Thank you for trying, but I don't think my overall impression of the movie will change anymore.
I don't understand the general attitude of "It's been done before, therefore it must be bad". Everything has been done before. That's not at all a criteria for whether something is good or bad. It's the overall experience that matters, not whether detail X or concept Y has been done before (because as far as films go, it has. Always).
I'm not saying that you have to love the film, but please do dislike it for better reasons. 
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The novel was absolutely incredible, however they way the movie was done, it just seemed to drag on and on and bored me. The way it jumped around the timeline really didn't work for this movie either and I didn't feel the same connection with the characters as I did with the novel. I'm not usually one that hates movies based on books, more often than not I enjoy the cinematic adaptations. I was really excited for the movie though which made it all the more disappointing. The trailer really hooked me in and sent chills down my spine. But if you haven't read the novel yet though, it definitely is worth a read.
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On March 27 2013 20:24 crappen wrote:
I just saw the ending (last 40min) another time just now, and what a Holy movie this is. I cried just as much this time, and in a way I have never cried before, I laughed at the same time. This movie is a True Love story that has no ending, cause that it what it Teaches. Love has no end, no bounderies, and no time. Through Love, Truth will be told. All the Kindness and Love in this movie lives within me, and I connect to it so well. I feel so much appreciation, and that nothing can be robbed from me, cause I am and Have Everything, and to Have, is to give all to all. This is what is meant with being in a Forgiven state of Mind.
Through Love, Truth will be revealed.
I'll be watching it again soon. Pretty stoked.
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This movie bored me to death, I quit watching it after about two hours. This is the first time in my life that I actually quit a movie before it finished. I even managed to get through Dante 01 and Pi but this one..I just couldn't stand it. It just goes on and on with no fucking clear direction.
The ending might be cool, your message can be strong, but if you make me sit two fucking hours to get to that, all I am going to feel is disappointment.
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I watched last night, had to watch again this morning on BR. Okay, I am amazed. This film has gone out of its way to solidfy the Wachowski's as not only good directors of modern cinema, but excellent. While I have not always loved their films, I am amazed by the craft and effort they put in and in the case of CA here, this film was utterly mind boggling in the structure and logistics, as well as how much I loved it.
The call backs and connections from one story to the next (which were all actually a single story, not 6 separate) was brilliant, the little details of things that either call back to the past or foreshadow the future age were wonderful to see. I have seen twice, picked up on many of them, but I have to sit and watch this a few more times I am sure to pick up more of those connections. The choice of having the actors play various characters was outstanding because of the film structure, the way it puts them together and in many ways they are playing different characters but with an over arching story for their actor in the characters that they play (Mainly in the character sets of Berry, Hanks, and Sturgess.)
I have not been so excited after seeing a film for quite a while. Now it was not a perfect film by any means, there were a few issues with pacing and things that I think they could have done a bit better storytelling wise, but looking at the entire piece as it is as well as the various obstacles that they faced while trying to shoot such an epic, I don't see them as major problems in the grand scheme of things.
I can also understanding some people being bored or not liking it - it is not a film for everyone, but none of The Wachowski's work ever is. It is a film that requires a ton of effort, but those challenging films I personally love. It takes a lot of dedication to watch this with the effort and eyes that I believe they want the audience to see this story with.
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On May 16 2013 11:56 TheAmazombie wrote:
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I can also understanding some people being bored or not liking it - it is not a film for everyone, but none of The Wachowski's work ever is. It is a film that requires a ton of effort, but those challenging films I personally love. It takes a lot of dedication to watch this with the effort and eyes that I believe they want the audience to see this story with.
Having watched this movie a third time, simply because it is so amazing, I would like to say that I did not follow any story, or put in any effort at all to enjoy this movie's message to me. When I started watching this movie for the first time, without any knowledge at all what this movie was about, I just opened up. I did look at the time after about 2 hours, wondering if I should stop and and go to bed, but I just continued, and the last 45minutes shows what cannot be described in words. It's like being in Love, you cant explain it, or describe it at all to someone who has never felt it themselves.
There is something so much stronger in this movie, then a simple story of people. I felt like Sonmi, finding out who I am when watching this movie. When she sits at the end, being excised, she is in such a peaceful state, so much joy. This is the message that the music and the movie showed me.
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Not sure if I liked it because of Wachowski, or I've just grown cynical of Hollywood movies that anything resembling "deep" is automatically good.
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I only saw this film for the first time last night, so I'm finding it provident that this thread got bumped up today.
Whilst the cross-ethnicity makeup was a little cringy at times, I loved this movie. I think it goes to show that a movie doesn't need to follow the same setup-conflict-resolution pattern that dominates the performing arts. Here there are six concurrent storylines, six different genres ranging in seriousness from lighthearted to tragic to cartharticly uplifting.
I dunno, this movie just affected and entertained me in ways that films generally don't anymore.
Edit: As much as I enjoyed it, I completely understand why some people dislike this movie.
EditEdit: Ty Monk for making me realise I can't count.
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On June 14 2013 19:19 RisingTide wrote:
I only saw this film for the first time last night, so I'm finding it provident that this thread got bumped up today.
Whilst the cross-ethnicity makeup was a little cringy at times, I loved this movie. I think it goes to show that a movie doesn't need to follow the same setup-conflict-resolution pattern that dominates the performing arts. Here there are five concurrent storylines, five different genres ranging in seriousness from lighthearted to tragic to cartharticly uplifting.
I dunno, this movie just affected and entertained me in ways that films generally don't anymore.
Edit: As much as I enjoyed it, I completely understand why some people dislike this movie.
I think you missed 1/6th of the movie.
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Actually half of the movie was shot by Tom Tykwer. Before you go overboard with the Wachowski hype 
Edit: Tykwer is 1936 (Composer), 1973 (Journalist) and 2012 (old man) , Wachowski is 1849(slave) , 2144(clone) and 2321 (post apocalypse)
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Going to be watching this again. Still the only 10/10 I've ever seen in my opinion.
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On April 04 2014 13:47 DemigodcelpH wrote:
Going to be watching this again. Still the only 10/10 I've ever seen in my opinion.
Such a great movie. I've watched it a few times. My least favorite story the first time (the care home escape) has become my favorite without a doubt. Mind you i've read the book since then and i think the writing style in that part is the best.
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On April 04 2014 13:47 DemigodcelpH wrote:
Going to be watching this again. Still the only 10/10 I've ever seen in my opinion.
Which are other movies you consider a 10/10? I just want to know how apart our worlds are.
So far I wouldnt give any movie a 10/10, but Cloud Atlas is one of the worst movies for me.
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