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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On January 06 2013 15:42 Nevermind86 wrote: What is wrong with you people, did you actually like this movie? This is disturbing guys, there are plenty of very good movies around what the hell is happening with the world, oh wow no wonder harry potter is a best seller and nobody cares to read Brave New World or something. Yeah, best movie of the year imho. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
Congratulations + Show Spoiler + you either didn't watch anything else or your taste is horrible, I mean really I don't like to offend people for their tastes that's silly because everybody has their own but liking this movie or being able to swallow so many shallow-intellectual quotes for 6 hours is just... terrible, I feel sorry for the arts right now. I'm quoting myself because I feel it's important to anybody visiting this thread to read this, to hell with it here it is: On January 06 2013 15:39 Nevermind86 wrote: This quote right here made me watch this movie AND HERE IS WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT PLZ READ, this is important that you click what I have to say but I put it in spoiler anyways: + Show Spoiler + Thanks god, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks god and isohunt that I fucking PIRATED this movie because it's such garbage that I would have been pretty pissed off if I actually paid to watch this trash that deserves being DELETED FROM the internet, actually I'm pissed off because those 5 and a half hours that lasts this film will not be comming back and I could have used all that time for more productive things like watching porn or a few dozen dota games... really, let's see: -It takes about 45 minutes to introduce all the sub-plots -They don't make sense -Every 5 minutes the characters have to say the most shallow quotes that will be forgotten in the next 5 seconds because of how cheesy it is, not only that but everything slows down so that the characters can say it in a very low voice something that apparently is terribly intellectual. -After about 4 hours the movie starts to make sense but you're probably very sleepy like I was and then you realize what was it all about: Some bullshit anti-slavery theme and "natural order of things" which means that slavery will never end or something but when this seems to be coherent they ruin it with new age religion bullshit like karma, reincarnation and another life to meet again your loved ones. -Then at the end you get more cheesy quotes so intellectual they can only be understood by Noam Chomsky or Socrates but not really it's just trash. -Then the final scene some snob lawyer quits all his fucking huge wealth to help slaves, yea right like those kind of people existed. And even if they did they wouldn't throw so many dumb quotes every 30 seconds. This is by far the worst movie I've ever seen, anybody that likes it needs to develop a taste and be castrated just in case, I though the worst movie of the last decade was green lantern and I saw that one just to laugh at how bad it was but really it wasn't so bad because I laughed many times, that's why I gave that one a rating of 2/10 in my private scale that nobody cares about, 2/10 for so bad it's good, this one gets 1/10 I've never disliked a movie with such passion it's just terribly awfully fucking bad and represents everything wrong with hollywood and their lack of ideas, only watch this trash if you feel like wasting 6 hours of your life. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On January 06 2013 15:39 Nevermind86 wrote: This quote right here made me watch this movie AND HERE IS WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT PLZ READ, this is important that you click what I have to say but I put it in spoiler anyways: + Show Spoiler + Thanks god, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks god and isohunt that I fucking PIRATED this movie because it's such garbage that I would have been pretty pissed off if I actually paid to watch this trash that deserves being DELETED FROM the internet, actually I'm pissed off because those 5 and a half hours that lasts this film will not be comming back and I could have used all that time for more productive things like watching porn or a few dozen dota games... really, let's see: -It takes about 45 minutes to introduce all the sub-plots -They don't make sense -Every 5 minutes the characters have to say the most shallow quotes that will be forgotten in the next 5 seconds because of how cheesy it is, not only that but everything slows down so that the characters can say it in a very low voice something that apparently is terribly intellectual. -After about 4 hours the movie starts to make sense but you're probably very sleepy like I was and then you realize what was it all about: Some bullshit anti-slavery theme and "natural order of things" which means that slavery will never end or something but when this seems to be coherent they ruin it with new age religion bullshit like karma, reincarnation and another life to meet again your loved ones. -Then at the end you get more cheesy quotes so intellectual they can only be understood by Noam Chomsky or Socrates but not really it's just trash. -Then the final scene some snob lawyer quits all his fucking huge wealth to help slaves, yea right like those kind of people existed. And even if they did they wouldn't throw so many dumb quotes every 30 seconds. This is by far the worst movie I've ever seen, anybody that likes it needs to develop a taste and be castrated just in case, I though the worst movie of the last decade was green lantern and I saw that one just to laugh at how bad it was but really it wasn't so bad because I laughed many times, that's why I gave that one a rating of 2/10 in my private scale that nobody cares about, 2/10 for so bad it's good, this one gets 1/10 I've never disliked a movie with such passion it's just terribly awfully fucking bad and represents everything wrong with hollywood and their lack of ideas, only watch this trash if you feel like wasting 6 hours of your life. Movie is 3hours bro calm down and go watch some kitten videos to de-rage your soul and then come back and think about what you managed to type out while what I can only assume was as stroke. | ||
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Absurdly
Canada59 Posts
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
On January 06 2013 15:39 Nevermind86 wrote: This quote right here made me watch this movie AND HERE IS WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT PLZ READ, this is important that you click what I have to say but I put it in spoiler anyways: + Show Spoiler + Thanks god, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks god and isohunt that I fucking PIRATED this movie because it's such garbage that I would have been pretty pissed off if I actually paid to watch this trash that deserves being DELETED FROM the internet, actually I'm pissed off because those 5 and a half hours that lasts this film will not be comming back and I could have used all that time for more productive things like watching porn or a few dozen dota games... really, let's see: -It takes about 45 minutes to introduce all the sub-plots -They don't make sense -Every 5 minutes the characters have to say the most shallow quotes that will be forgotten in the next 5 seconds because of how cheesy it is, not only that but everything slows down so that the characters can say it in a very low voice something that apparently is terribly intellectual. -After about 4 hours the movie starts to make sense but you're probably very sleepy like I was and then you realize what was it all about: Some bullshit anti-slavery theme and "natural order of things" which means that slavery will never end or something but when this seems to be coherent they ruin it with new age religion bullshit like karma, reincarnation and another life to meet again your loved ones. -Then at the end you get more cheesy quotes so intellectual they can only be understood by Noam Chomsky or Socrates but not really it's just trash. -Then the final scene some snob lawyer quits all his fucking huge wealth to help slaves, yea right like those kind of people existed. And even if they did they wouldn't throw so many dumb quotes every 30 seconds. This is by far the worst movie I've ever seen, anybody that likes it needs to develop a taste and be castrated just in case, I though the worst movie of the last decade was green lantern and I saw that one just to laugh at how bad it was but really it wasn't so bad because I laughed many times, that's why I gave that one a rating of 2/10 in my private scale that nobody cares about, 2/10 for so bad it's good, this one gets 1/10 I've never disliked a movie with such passion it's just terribly awfully fucking bad and represents everything wrong with hollywood and their lack of ideas, only watch this trash if you feel like wasting 6 hours of your life. so basically you liked tdkr, but couldn't keep up with an actual plot so you wrote this monstrosity. k | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
On January 06 2013 16:23 MethodSC wrote: so basically you liked tdkr, but couldn't keep up with an actual plot so you wrote this monstrosity. k "an actual plot", in my favorite movies I include 2001 Space Odissey, Ghost in the Shell, Fight Club, Apocalypse now, Alien, Solaris, Matrix 1, The Dark Knight, etc, I'm sorry maybe I expect too much from sci-fi movies but the amount of garbage pretentious intellectual quotes in this movie are the monstruosity coupled with it's "new age" phisolophy that should really be called old age because it's so 80's and out of fashion for the last 30 years, that karma & reincarnation theme are completely awful. Time is the best judge of art and time will tell, if people appreciate this movie in 10 years (they won't nobody will remenber it) then we could consider it good. The plot was horrible, the only decent part was about the korean girl in the future but they ruin it completely with the girl in question vomiting that new age philosophy that you apparently like. I predicted a so called intellectual quote every time everything slowed down and the characters started speaking in a low voice which was every 4 minutes or so, it was all so shallow, predictable and pathetic, absolutely nothing worth remenbering out of those quotes and the whole movie was based on it. The only thing I expect from a sci-fi movie is originality, but that is a little hard to find in hollywood movies nowadays. Directors just copy movie formats so every movie seems to have similar themes, every super hero movie copies the dark theme of the Dark Knight now, so the next one has to be darker, in this case they tried to make something so deep and intellectual but without an actual plot it failed miserably. Let's talk about oil companies funding a nuclear plant that will explode, sounds like an awfully terrible plot, then old people incarcerated in an asylum, nobody cares, and then an anti-slave subplot full of clichés were a black dude is going to be shot for being black then is cheered like a hero by the same people that 10 seconds ago were going to kill him no matter what, wow what a disaster and to end it a korean girl vomiting new age phisolophy in a speech to the "mindless masses", if I happened to be one of the persons listening I'd laugh at the though of knowing she got executed. It doesn't get worse than this. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On January 06 2013 17:03 Nevermind86 wrote: "an actual plot", in my favorite movies I include 2001 Space Odissey, Ghost in the Shell, Fight Club, Apocalypse now, Alien, Solaris, Blade Runner, The Dark Knight, etc, I'm sorry maybe I expect too much from sci-fi movies but the amount of garbage pretentious intellectual quotes in this movie are the monstruosity coupled with it's "new age" phisolophy that should really be called old age because it's so 80's and out of fashion for the last 30 years, that karma & reincarnation theme are completely awful. Time is the best judge of art and time will tell, if people appreciate this movie in 10 years (they won't nobody will remenber it) then we could consider it good. The plot was horrible, the only decent part was about the korean girl in the future but they ruin it completely with the girl in question vomiting that new age philosophy that you apparently like. I predicted a so called intellectual quote every time everything slowed down and the characters started speaking in a low voice which was every 4 minutes or so, it was all so shallow, predictable and pathetic, absolutely nothing worth remenbering out of those quotes and the whole movie was based on it. Can't believe someone who loves all those movies can think so horribly about a movie called Cloud Atlas. Guess you really can't understand people sometimes. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
On January 06 2013 17:18 Zooper31 wrote: Can't believe someone who loves all those movies can think so horribly about a movie called Cloud Atlas. Guess you really can't understand people sometimes. The name of the movie was the best part of it, I agree completely. It's not my fault the movie lacked any sort of good ideas, except for the korean girl subplot thing that started well and then turned into she's "the one" and a karma and reincarnation speech while the listeners were being bloody murdered. And as a black person I feel insulted at all those anti-slavery moral clichés so common in "guilty" white men that try to act more anti racist than we black men ourselves (and I'm an anti-racist activist), it's a disrespect and a joke to believe you can know what racism fully is when you are white, and then to show this the directors made all the space-humans blacks. Yea we get it. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
This is always the kind of film that splits audiences, because it is trying to do something that people don't expect when they go to see it. This means that some people just will not relate to what is going on. I enjoyed the film, but i always enjoy this kind of thing, i'm assuming that you probably don't. You don't have to invoke white guilt as a part of it. | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On January 06 2013 15:51 Nevermind86 wrote: Congratulations + Show Spoiler + you either didn't watch anything else or your taste is horrible, I mean really I don't like to offend people for their tastes that's silly because everybody has their own but liking this movie or being able to swallow so many shallow-intellectual quotes for 6 hours is just... terrible, I feel sorry for the arts right now. I'm quoting myself because I feel it's important to anybody visiting this thread to read this, to hell with it here it is: Quoting your own opinion is pretty bad form. Movie bashing like this deserves to be buried in threads not dug up by the person spewing it forth in the first place. It's about 3 hours long, not 6 and your opinion is so ridiculously negative it's hard to take seriously. The Wachowski brothers aren't capable of producing a movie that's worse than Green Lantern. I assume you must've been in a really shitty mood when you saw this, for free, I just don't see how you can hate it so much, especially when you're a fan of other shallow blockbusters like Matrix/Dark Knight etc. So you feel sorry for 'the arts' because of this movie and not the hundreds of other more generic ones that get pumped out year in year out? Just to clarify, seeing as it's 'by far the worst movie you've ever seen.' It's worse than: Bridget Jones Diary 2 Spiderman 3 Starship Troopers X Resident Evil: Retribution Meet the Spartans Eat Pray Love The Twilights etc. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On January 06 2013 15:51 Nevermind86 wrote: Congratulations + Show Spoiler + you either didn't watch anything else or your taste is horrible, I mean really I don't like to offend people for their tastes that's silly because everybody has their own but liking this movie or being able to swallow so many shallow-intellectual quotes for 6 hours is just... terrible, I feel sorry for the arts right now. I watched a shit tons of 2012 movies. I was kidda sad in december because I could tell what was the best of this year. Then I watch Cloud Atlas. And I think my taste are not that bad considering my favorites movies are some of the most appreciated by the community. Cloud Atlas still got a 8.0 on imDb, so it's in the 250. YOU should reconsidere your taste being good. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On January 06 2013 18:13 Faust852 wrote: I watched a shit tons of 2012 movies. I was kidda sad in december because I could tell what was the best of this year. Then I watch Cloud Atlas. And I think my taste are not that bad considering my favorites movies are some of the most appreciated by the community. Cloud Atlas still got a 8.0 on imDb, so it's in the 250. YOU should reconsidere your taste being good. Dude is just hyper-angry and on a campaign to prove/state how his tastes are better. Even while reading this message he'll have a thought: "of course they are better". While I understand how it can be not liked (I even agree with some of his points, it just didn't matter as much to me)... I feel this is overreacting and arrogance. This is by far the worst movie I've ever seen, anybody that likes it needs to develop a taste and be castrated just in case, Grow up. + Show Spoiler + And as a black person I feel insulted at all those anti-slavery moral clichés so common in "guilty" white men that try to act more anti racist than we black men ourselves (and I'm an anti-racist activist), it's a disrespect and a joke to believe you can know what racism fully is when you are white, and then to show this the directors made all the space-humans blacks. Yea we get it. And that's somewhat racist. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On January 06 2013 18:12 MethodSC wrote: so you didn't get the movie. that's fine. Obviously, when you put forth a well presented argument with fleshed out points and examples you are definitely only a troll or you just don't get it. Meanwhile the other side of the argument makes such a compelling case with their... "this movie too smart for you lolo" ?!?!? | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
On January 06 2013 18:13 Scarecrow wrote: Quoting your own opinion is pretty bad form. Movie bashing like this deserves to be buried in threads not dug up by the person spewing it forth in the first place. It's about 3 hours long, not 6 and your opinion is so ridiculously negative it's hard to take seriously. The Wachowski brothers aren't capable of producing a movie that's worse than Green Lantern. I assume you must've been in a really shitty mood when you saw this, for free, I just don't see how you can hate it so much, especially when you're a fan of other shallow blockbusters like Matrix/Dark Knight etc. So you feel sorry for 'the arts' because of this movie and not the hundreds of other more generic ones that get pumped out year in year out? Just to clarify, seeing as it's 'by far the worst movie you've ever seen.' It's worse than: Bridget Jones Diary 2 Spiderman 3 Starship Troopers X Resident Evil: Retribution Meet the Spartans Eat Pray Love The Twilights etc. Out of those I've only watched the first two twilights and resident evil retribution, this is what I think: The twilights, the first one it's an adolescent drama, nothing more, nothing else, it's cheesy but it has pretty good music and you end up liking the characters, the final fight is good. The second twilight is kind of weird but is still not so bad to watch. Resident evil retribution is really bad but you cannot stop laughing at how ridicolous the movie is, so it achieves what I wanted to achieve that was to have fun, these 3 movies are not pretending to be something terribly intellectual or having such a deep moral argument or philosophy or something, no, they just give what you expect: Adolescent drama with good rock music and beatiful people, and a lot of incredibly ridicolous action scenes with beatiful people like the girl who played Ada Wong, and an ending where 5 people are left alone to kill a billion zombies, you cannot compare the context between them. And I talked a lot about how terrible Cloud Atlas' plot was and how terrible and outdated the karma philosophy down-your-throat was, but somehow I don't see anybody criticizing that, and I won't repeat myself except that the movie, I insist, is absolute garbage I don't remenber another big movie that pretended to be such a piece of art falling so badly, but if you want to watch it a 100 times go and do it, I'm sure it's one of those movies that the more you see it and the more you understand the details, the more you realize it's trash. | ||
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freetgy
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2717 Posts
On January 06 2013 23:10 Nevermind86 wrote: Out of those I've only watched the first two twilights and resident evil retribution, this is what I think: ... And I talked a lot about how terrible Cloud Atlas' plot was and how terrible and outdated the karma philosophy down-your-throat was, but somehow I don't see anybody criticizing that, and I won't repeat myself except that the movie, I insist, is absolute garbage I don't remenber another big movie that pretended to be such a piece of art falling so badly, but if you want to watch it a 100 times go and do it, I'm sure it's one of those movies that the more you see it and the more you understand the details, the more you realize it's trash. Don't be mad at the movie. Be mad at the book it's based on. I have no idea what you mean with "down-your-throat" since the only thing in the movie hinting at karma were the birth marks. I would have prefered if they had taken the liberty to omit it completely, but I guess this wasn't an option since it's such an important part in the book. (Although, technically it wasn't about karma at all but about the same soul reincarnated in different bodies throughout time, which however was pretty poorly conveyed in the movie - which also isn't my cup of tea, but again I guess they had to stick to the book.) I'd also say that your claim that the movie is filled with the "most shallow quotes", which are supposed to be "terribly intellectual" is quite inaccurate. I rather had the feeling that the characters acted down-to-earth and talked "normally". Completely unlike most holywood movies, which have the most unnatural and ridiculous zombie-like dialogues, whose only purpose is to make the character saying it appear cool/awesome/dumb/hilarious. The only time I felt that one could claim that the dialogues were "cheesy" was in the somni timeline. But one could also claim that this is natural to the characters involved because of their ideology and the times they live in. Furhermore, your claim that the "snob lawyer" rejected "all his fucking huge wealth" is from what I remember incorrect, too. He rejected the wealth of his father-in-law. He himself was well-off to begin with, so it's not like he has to live under bridge (and yet again it's part of the book anyway). However, I felt that the development of some characters and their decisions (the lawyer and the journalist) would have needed some more screen time to be better comprehensible. But I'd attribute this shortcoming to the fact that warner brothers demanded that the movie doesn't become too long (the directors actually went over the time limit given them by WB) I don't even know what to say about your ridiculous racism commets. I guess by space-humans you mean the Kona savages? They were not black + Show Spoiler [as seen in this picture] + ![[image loading]](http://www.wordandfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cloud-atlas-09-hugh-grant.jpg) Overall, the movie was a treat. It was visually stunning and the switches between timelines were well-paced and actually easy to follow. I can understand that you didn't like the movie, but please refrain from making baseless claims. | ||
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ETisME
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On January 06 2013 23:10 Nevermind86 wrote: Out of those I've only watched the first two twilights and resident evil retribution, this is what I think: The twilights, the first one it's an adolescent drama, nothing more, nothing else, it's cheesy but it has pretty good music and you end up liking the characters, the final fight is good. The second twilight is kind of weird but is still not so bad to watch. Resident evil retribution is really bad but you cannot stop laughing at how ridicolous the movie is, so it achieves what I wanted to achieve that was to have fun, these 3 movies are not pretending to be something terribly intellectual or having such a deep moral argument or philosophy or something, no, they just give what you expect: Adolescent drama with good rock music and beatiful people, and a lot of incredibly ridicolous action scenes with beatiful people like the girl who played Ada Wong, and an ending where 5 people are left alone to kill a billion zombies, you cannot compare the context between them. And I talked a lot about how terrible Cloud Atlas' plot was and how terrible and outdated the karma philosophy down-your-throat was, but somehow I don't see anybody criticizing that, and I won't repeat myself except that the movie, I insist, is absolute garbage I don't remenber another big movie that pretended to be such a piece of art falling so badly, but if you want to watch it a 100 times go and do it, I'm sure it's one of those movies that the more you see it and the more you understand the details, the more you realize it's trash. LOL twilight final fight scene was stupid as hell. It literally is consisted of crappy FX and nothing else. I guess your standard is just really different to the rest of us. karma is not an "outdated' philosophy, I don't think it can ever be one. Karma is the biggest theme of the movie, if you don't appreciate it, then obviously you will find it "down-your-throat". some people online even brought in political ideologies and claimed the movie is BS The biggest issue for me is that the scope of the book is too big for this 3 hour movie to capture. | ||
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