On November 22 2012 05:19 zatic wrote: Something I was wondering: Is the island the lawyer leaves in 1849, the island Sonmi broadcasts her revelation from, and the island Halle phones home from the same place?
Not sure if they changed it for the movie, but not in the book, no. The islands in Ewing's story are some random place in the Pacific Ocean, the Somni story takes place in Korea, and the post-apocalyptic last story takes place on Hawaii.
On October 28 2012 15:58 itkovian wrote: Just watched it with some friends. I enjoyed it a lot.
The six stories all maintained my attention throughout, and they were all uniquely interesting. The ties between the stories were neat, but if you don't pick up on them while watching its not the biggest problem, since each story can thrive on its own independently. Actually, I was thinking about it just now, and it took me a few minutes to figure out how the modern-day/old-person-escape story fit in with the rest. And i'm still not quite sure, but I think the nuclear plant owner was the same person as the old man's brother?
Can someone answer this? It's the one connection I am still missing too.
I meant I am missing the connection between the 1973 murder mystery and the 2012 publisher in nut house stories.
The kid halle who hangs out with halle berry shows signs he likes writing murder mysteries - you see a scene where the 2000's publisher receives a book submission that the grown up kid wrote about halle berry's ordeal from the 1970's
Oh, nice, I never noticed that. Makes me wonder how many more little things like that I missed. I'll probably pick up on a lot more when I watch it a second time.
I did a search to find out more, and I discovered that most of the actors had a lot more roles than I realized. Some of them are pretty minor which explains why I missed them the first time. Also, a funny thing, I guess the mansion where the composer lived in the 1930's was eventually converted into the nursing home the publisher ended up in later.
They seem to have taken some rather huge liberties then.. From what I've read so far they've successfully hollywood'ed the book.
Which is a shame.
On the other hand, the book is really fantastic. Great read.
On October 28 2012 15:58 itkovian wrote: Just watched it with some friends. I enjoyed it a lot.
The six stories all maintained my attention throughout, and they were all uniquely interesting. The ties between the stories were neat, but if you don't pick up on them while watching its not the biggest problem, since each story can thrive on its own independently. Actually, I was thinking about it just now, and it took me a few minutes to figure out how the modern-day/old-person-escape story fit in with the rest. And i'm still not quite sure, but I think the nuclear plant owner was the same person as the old man's brother?
Can someone answer this? It's the one connection I am still missing too.
I meant I am missing the connection between the 1973 murder mystery and the 2012 publisher in nut house stories.
The kid halle who hangs out with halle berry shows signs he likes writing murder mysteries - you see a scene where the 2000's publisher receives a book submission that the grown up kid wrote about halle berry's ordeal from the 1970's
Oh, nice, I never noticed that. Makes me wonder how many more little things like that I missed. I'll probably pick up on a lot more when I watch it a second time.
I did a search to find out more, and I discovered that most of the actors had a lot more roles than I realized. Some of them are pretty minor which explains why I missed them the first time. Also, a funny thing, I guess the mansion where the composer lived in the 1930's was eventually converted into the nursing home the publisher ended up in later.
That one's not in the book, since the composer lives in Belgium in the book and the senior home is in England.
I liked the story, but not the movie. The constant back and forth, switching between different chars and stories made it hard for me to follow. I'm engaged in one area, then the movie goes to something entirely different... constantly. It was annoying to say the least. I know how they structured the movie, to show tidbits at a time to reveal the entire story by lining up all stories in the same pacing. It might make sense on paper but it doesn't work like that. movies need transitions to work and fluidity.
So... I just saw this... To be honest I was entertained - but I actually had to pause the movie and take a break at one point... Not because it was boring - but it's 2hr 52min... I just felt a bit too long.
I loved a lot of the timelines. Especially how different they were - yet oddly similar. The one with the composors in peticular was a favourite of mine. I do have a question about the connections of timelines: - The lawyer was linked to the composers through his journal found in Vyvyans mansion - The composors were linked to the journalist through both the composors relationship to Sixsmith - but also the music (she recognizes at the store) - The journalists friend wrote a book you see in the publishers timeline
- Somni is obviously related to the storyline after the great fall...
But how do they relate the publisher to future Korea?
On December 28 2012 03:21 Mentalizor wrote: So... I just saw this... To be honest I was entertained - but I actually had to pause the movie and take a break at one point... Not because it was boring - but it's 2hr 52min... I just felt a bit too long.
I loved a lot of the timelines. Especially how different they were - yet oddly similar. The one with the composors in peticular was a favourite of mine. I do have a question about the connections of timelines: - The lawyer was linked to the composers through his journal found in Vyvyans mansion - The composors were linked to the journalist through both the composors relationship to Sixsmith - but also the music (she recognizes at the store) - The journalists friend wrote a book you see in the publishers timeline
- Somni is obviously related to the storyline after the great fall...
But how do they relate the publisher to future Korea?
well if you remember that movie segment the waitresses watched, he wrote quasi autobiography which was made into that movie so it's basically his fault that they rebelled
On December 28 2012 03:21 Mentalizor wrote: So... I just saw this... To be honest I was entertained - but I actually had to pause the movie and take a break at one point... Not because it was boring - but it's 2hr 52min... I just felt a bit too long.
I loved a lot of the timelines. Especially how different they were - yet oddly similar. The one with the composors in peticular was a favourite of mine. I do have a question about the connections of timelines: - The lawyer was linked to the composers through his journal found in Vyvyans mansion - The composors were linked to the journalist through both the composors relationship to Sixsmith - but also the music (she recognizes at the store) - The journalists friend wrote a book you see in the publishers timeline
- Somni is obviously related to the storyline after the great fall...
But how do they relate the publisher to future Korea?
well if you remember that movie segment the waitresses watched, he wrote quasi autobiography which was made into that movie so it's basically his fault that they rebelled
I don't think it's clear whether we are watching the movie that Sonmi watched or we are watching his actual life events, though I personally suspect we are watching the movie of his life ourselves since it's a pretty outlandish story.
Haven't heard of this film before but I just saw this thread pop up and and watched the trailer. I have to say, it looks quite interesting. I ;think I might check it out if I have the time.
On November 22 2012 09:00 Lokian wrote: I liked the story, but not the movie. The constant back and forth, switching between different chars and stories made it hard for me to follow. I'm engaged in one area, then the movie goes to something entirely different... constantly. It was annoying to say the least. I know how they structured the movie, to show tidbits at a time to reveal the entire story by lining up all stories in the same pacing. It might make sense on paper but it doesn't work like that. movies need transitions to work and fluidity.
I strongly agree with this. The storyline is intricate and compelling, but it's broken up representation left me almost completely detached from all of the characters, except for Sonmi and Hae-Joo Chang, who I was immediately enthralled by.
It was an alright movie. I couldn't say it was waste of my time. And i dump alot of movies in that category. So take it as a compliment if you will /shrug
On December 28 2012 08:16 nkr wrote: they made sure to make the fucking dialects impossible to understand
watched it with captions lol. torrent ftw. (although caption was sometimes super inaccurate despite being english to english caption lol!)
On December 28 2012 03:21 Mentalizor wrote: So... I just saw this... To be honest I was entertained - but I actually had to pause the movie and take a break at one point... Not because it was boring - but it's 2hr 52min... I just felt a bit too long.
I loved a lot of the timelines. Especially how different they were - yet oddly similar. The one with the composors in peticular was a favourite of mine. I do have a question about the connections of timelines: - The lawyer was linked to the composers through his journal found in Vyvyans mansion - The composors were linked to the journalist through both the composors relationship to Sixsmith - but also the music (she recognizes at the store) - The journalists friend wrote a book you see in the publishers timeline
- Somni is obviously related to the storyline after the great fall...
But how do they relate the publisher to future Korea?
well if you remember that movie segment the waitresses watched, he wrote quasi autobiography which was made into that movie so it's basically his fault that they rebelled
I don't think it's clear whether we are watching the movie that Sonmi watched or we are watching his actual life events, though I personally suspect we are watching the movie of his life ourselves since it's a pretty outlandish story.
actually in the movie they made it quite clear by tom hanks playing the old geezer in the hologram soonmi watches. Tom hanks did not play that role in the actual story. So tom hank was an actor playing an actor playing a role of that failing author.
On November 22 2012 05:19 zatic wrote: Something I was wondering: Is the island the lawyer leaves in 1849, the island Sonmi broadcasts her revelation from, and the island Halle phones home from the same place?
Not sure if they changed it for the movie, but not in the book, no. The islands in Ewing's story are some random place in the Pacific Ocean, the Somni story takes place in Korea, and the post-apocalyptic last story takes place on Hawaii.
Well i dont disagree with you but if i were to take the devil's advocate side island in the pacific can be hawaii, and any alternate future fiction can claim hawaii is part of greatly expanded new empire. i dont really buy it myself though just sayin. /shrug
I watched the movie a couple of days ago. Today I just needed to see it again. I don't know what it is about this movie (I'm certain that I haven't yet grasped even half the things hidden in that movie), but something about it fascinates me. It's certainly my favorite movie of 2012, but think I'll have to see it again to judge it completely.
On December 30 2012 05:51 heishe wrote: I watched the movie a couple of days ago. Today I just needed to see it again. I don't know what it is about this movie (I'm certain that I haven't yet grasped even half the things hidden in that movie), but something about it fascinates me. It's certainly my favorite movie of 2012, but think I'll have to see it again to judge it completely.
I just came back from theater, and I will watch the movie second time for sure, as I too am sure that I've missed a few connections. Knowing that, I won't rate the story now , but the atmosphere, music, acting is magical and absolutely must-see. I don't remember 3 hours passing so fast while watching a movie.
On December 30 2012 05:51 heishe wrote: I watched the movie a couple of days ago. Today I just needed to see it again. I don't know what it is about this movie (I'm certain that I haven't yet grasped even half the things hidden in that movie), but something about it fascinates me. It's certainly my favorite movie of 2012, but think I'll have to see it again to judge it completely.
I just came back from theater, and I will watch the movie second time for sure, as I too am sure that I've missed a few connections. Knowing that, I won't rate the story now , but the atmosphere, music, acting is magical and absolutely must-see. I don't remember 3 hours passing so fast while watching a movie.
I feel the same! I will really liked the movie, but I will definitely watch it again to see if I missed anything and also because it's such a watchable movie (at least for me). I would recommend the movie.
How can this movie be considered a box office failure when it hasn't been released in half the world yet? I mean it's still going to fail hard when it is but christ... how can you screw up so hard when so many people are trying to give you their money? first time I've been on pirate bay in over a year.
Movie is awesome. It's not perfect and detractors are quick to point that out but "better than everything else" doesn't require "perfect".
so theres a thing im wondering, and this might be totally crazy but... in the begining of the movie they show the doctor finding teeth on the beach of an island, supposedly from cannibals. this reminds alot about the "last" story line. with the kono tribe. so i´m thinking that it might be a way of saying this has allways happened and allways will (human greed, killing and abusing eachother) and that we are doomed to try and fight it but ultimatly fail, even though we win some battles every now and then.
On January 02 2013 07:46 sausageslayer wrote: so theres a thing im wondering, and this might be totally crazy but... in the begining of the movie they show the doctor finding teeth on the beach of an island, supposedly from cannibals. this reminds alot about the "last" story line. with the kono tribe. so i´m thinking that it might be a way of saying this has allways happened and allways will (human greed, killing and abusing eachother) and that we are doomed to try and fight it but ultimatly fail, even though we win some battles every now and then.
sry for all the miss-spellings
and then if you realize at the end of the movie how the father (Hugo) stated how all of the small actions by the lawyer (who now became a abolitionist) will amount to nothing and his generations will be disregarded and mocked. Despite all of this, the lawyer simply stated that "...but what is an ocean but a multitude of drops?" That quote right there just rings inside me so loudly.
Greed and "evil" will win the short term battles but in the long run kindness, love and virtues will win it all in the end.
On topic: For those still a bit confused about the movie. The movie markets the story stating that everyone lives are intertwined i.e much like the idea of reincarnation, however that isn't the case (obviously for Hollywood reasons). The book (and how the movie should have advertised) is that our actions (good or bad) influence the flow and actions of others in the future. Ultimately in human nature, and society, we prey on the weak (slavery, government, abusive homes, corporations, tribes etc...) and if we were to follow this we will be destroyed. If, however, we act on kindness we can break this cycle and bring salvation toward us + Show Spoiler +
If Tom Hanks,in the post-apocalyptic world, gave into the devil (the green goblin looking guy) he would have killed H. Berry thus no communication to the outside space. Thus no ride from outer colonies which would mean everyone on earth would have been dead. But because Hanks followed his kind heart they were all saved and were even able to start a loving family on a new area
On November 22 2012 05:19 zatic wrote: Something I was wondering: Is the island the lawyer leaves in 1849, the island Sonmi broadcasts her revelation from, and the island Halle phones home from the same place?
Not sure if they changed it for the movie, but not in the book, no. The islands in Ewing's story are some random place in the Pacific Ocean, the Somni story takes place in Korea, and the post-apocalyptic last story takes place on Hawaii.
Considering the fact that in Somni's story, the country of Korea doesn't exist anymore. It's just a nation that speaks Korean that is run by giant corporation/corporations.
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