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On July 21 2012 03:24 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:15 xrapture wrote:On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 20 2012 18:16 lost_artz wrote:
Did they at least kill the bastard?
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Should have shot them both dead. No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^. Just like the dead victims get to rehabilitate, right? No dude - you can't guilt your way out of this argument. The dead victims, as far as I know, are still fucking dead as you so kindly pointed out to everyone. Thank you for your brilliant insight. I hope the guy gets the chance to live a better life. It will not happen - you needn't worry - but all of this "he should have been shot on sight" talk is just insane. If you honestly believe it should be up to you who lives and who dies you are just as insane as this guy and someone should be trying to rehabilitate you. You are AFRAID of what this guy did so you become ANGRY and HATE him. Later you realize that "gee, fuck this whole bitter revenge thing just keeps me focused on the wrong part of this tragedy - I sure wish I had been more focused on the victims instead of revenge" so you end up SUFFERING for it. Do you see what I'm getting at here.
Please stop acting so high and mighty about your moral supremacy. I am not angry at him because I am afraid, I am angry because he is a twisted monster who caused uncounted amounts of pain and suffering. He needs to be put down; there is nothing of value about his continued existence.
Do note that you're entirely entitled to disagree with people about whether his life has value, because value judgements are subjective and therefore no one is "right". But please stop making this about how much better you think you are because you're so quick to ignore the decades of pain the victims' families will go through and focus on the highly questionable "virtue" of keeping this asshole around to taunt the mourning families with every additional breath he takes, and their loved ones don't.
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On July 21 2012 03:28 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:20 drew-chan wrote:On July 21 2012 03:02 iGrok wrote:
Update from the police - Holmes was apprehended in the back of the theater by his vehicle. He had:
AR-15 Assault Rifle
Remmington 15 12-gauge shotgun
.40 cal Glock handgun
Second .40 cal Glock found in the car
71 people shot
12 deceased (10 on-site, 2 in hospitals)
Not looking for any other suspects, currently confident he acted alone. Full investigation to follow.
Body Armor included throat and groin protector (this is a lot of body armor for someone who just turned himself in - he was geared up for a full firefight.) Not wanting to bring a debate here, but just for my information, how hard is it in Colorado to get an arsenal like that. I mean don't you need licenses and/or a lot of money? With no prior criminal record, it's just a matter of money and time. Handguns are available in most countries. AR-15 is the civilian version of the M-16. It cannot shoot in fully automatic mode. Remmington Shotgun is available in many hunting stores. I don't know colorado law specifically (having only lived here for 2 months), but all states have a minimum of a full background check and a waiting period (usually 3 days to a week) after applying to purchase before you are allowed to purchase a gun. EDIT: The rumor that he dressed as the joker is not true.Also, modding an AR-15 to be full auto is "easy" only if you are a master machinist.
He has a PhD and probably no priors. I doubt it his background check was an issue : P
Um modding a AR-15 conversion kits exist (go google) to make them fully auto.
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On July 21 2012 03:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:28 iGrok wrote:On July 21 2012 03:20 drew-chan wrote:On July 21 2012 03:02 iGrok wrote:
Update from the police - Holmes was apprehended in the back of the theater by his vehicle. He had:
AR-15 Assault Rifle
Remmington 15 12-gauge shotgun
.40 cal Glock handgun
Second .40 cal Glock found in the car
71 people shot
12 deceased (10 on-site, 2 in hospitals)
Not looking for any other suspects, currently confident he acted alone. Full investigation to follow.
Body Armor included throat and groin protector (this is a lot of body armor for someone who just turned himself in - he was geared up for a full firefight.) Not wanting to bring a debate here, but just for my information, how hard is it in Colorado to get an arsenal like that. I mean don't you need licenses and/or a lot of money? With no prior criminal record, it's just a matter of money and time. Handguns are available in most countries. AR-15 is the civilian version of the M-16. It cannot shoot in fully automatic mode. Remmington Shotgun is available in many hunting stores. I don't know colorado law specifically (having only lived here for 2 months), but all states have a minimum of a full background check and a waiting period (usually 3 days to a week) after applying to purchase before you are allowed to purchase a gun. EDIT: The rumor that he dressed as the joker is not true.Also, modding an AR-15 to be full auto is "easy" only if you are a master machinist. He has a PhD and probably no priors. I doubt it his background check was an issue : P Um modding a AR-15 conversion kits exist (go google) to make them fully auto.
Conversion kits aren't legal. So I suppose its also easy if you have criminal connections (of which he has no known or suspected).
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How awful. Amazing how one person can kill so many with the aid of the right technology.
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On July 21 2012 03:37 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On July 21 2012 03:28 iGrok wrote:On July 21 2012 03:20 drew-chan wrote:On July 21 2012 03:02 iGrok wrote:
Update from the police - Holmes was apprehended in the back of the theater by his vehicle. He had:
AR-15 Assault Rifle
Remmington 15 12-gauge shotgun
.40 cal Glock handgun
Second .40 cal Glock found in the car
71 people shot
12 deceased (10 on-site, 2 in hospitals)
Not looking for any other suspects, currently confident he acted alone. Full investigation to follow.
Body Armor included throat and groin protector (this is a lot of body armor for someone who just turned himself in - he was geared up for a full firefight.) Not wanting to bring a debate here, but just for my information, how hard is it in Colorado to get an arsenal like that. I mean don't you need licenses and/or a lot of money? With no prior criminal record, it's just a matter of money and time. Handguns are available in most countries. AR-15 is the civilian version of the M-16. It cannot shoot in fully automatic mode. Remmington Shotgun is available in many hunting stores. I don't know colorado law specifically (having only lived here for 2 months), but all states have a minimum of a full background check and a waiting period (usually 3 days to a week) after applying to purchase before you are allowed to purchase a gun. EDIT: The rumor that he dressed as the joker is not true.Also, modding an AR-15 to be full auto is "easy" only if you are a master machinist. He has a PhD and probably no priors. I doubt it his background check was an issue : P Um modding a AR-15 conversion kits exist (go google) to make them fully auto. Conversion kits aren't legal. So I suppose its also easy if you have criminal connections (of which he has no known or suspected).
Criminal connections? Hell I live in Canada and I could find myself a conversion kit to an AR-15 -.- And I don't have "connections".
Plus I thought a kit was legalized ?
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102104&page=1
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=299045
just by searching google once.
On July 21 2012 03:40 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On July 21 2012 03:28 iGrok wrote:On July 21 2012 03:20 drew-chan wrote:On July 21 2012 03:02 iGrok wrote:
Update from the police - Holmes was apprehended in the back of the theater by his vehicle. He had:
AR-15 Assault Rifle
Remmington 15 12-gauge shotgun
.40 cal Glock handgun
Second .40 cal Glock found in the car
71 people shot
12 deceased (10 on-site, 2 in hospitals)
Not looking for any other suspects, currently confident he acted alone. Full investigation to follow.
Body Armor included throat and groin protector (this is a lot of body armor for someone who just turned himself in - he was geared up for a full firefight.) Not wanting to bring a debate here, but just for my information, how hard is it in Colorado to get an arsenal like that. I mean don't you need licenses and/or a lot of money? With no prior criminal record, it's just a matter of money and time. Handguns are available in most countries. AR-15 is the civilian version of the M-16. It cannot shoot in fully automatic mode. Remmington Shotgun is available in many hunting stores. I don't know colorado law specifically (having only lived here for 2 months), but all states have a minimum of a full background check and a waiting period (usually 3 days to a week) after applying to purchase before you are allowed to purchase a gun. EDIT: The rumor that he dressed as the joker is not true.Also, modding an AR-15 to be full auto is "easy" only if you are a master machinist. He has a PhD and probably no priors. I doubt it his background check was an issue : P Um modding a AR-15 conversion kits exist (go google) to make them fully auto. Semi-Automatic AR-15s are still deadly weapons unmodified. There is no evidence that it was illegally modified.
Yeah I know they are, I was just pointing out that they are attainable.
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On July 21 2012 03:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:28 iGrok wrote:On July 21 2012 03:20 drew-chan wrote:On July 21 2012 03:02 iGrok wrote:
Update from the police - Holmes was apprehended in the back of the theater by his vehicle. He had:
AR-15 Assault Rifle
Remmington 15 12-gauge shotgun
.40 cal Glock handgun
Second .40 cal Glock found in the car
71 people shot
12 deceased (10 on-site, 2 in hospitals)
Not looking for any other suspects, currently confident he acted alone. Full investigation to follow.
Body Armor included throat and groin protector (this is a lot of body armor for someone who just turned himself in - he was geared up for a full firefight.) Not wanting to bring a debate here, but just for my information, how hard is it in Colorado to get an arsenal like that. I mean don't you need licenses and/or a lot of money? With no prior criminal record, it's just a matter of money and time. Handguns are available in most countries. AR-15 is the civilian version of the M-16. It cannot shoot in fully automatic mode. Remmington Shotgun is available in many hunting stores. I don't know colorado law specifically (having only lived here for 2 months), but all states have a minimum of a full background check and a waiting period (usually 3 days to a week) after applying to purchase before you are allowed to purchase a gun. EDIT: The rumor that he dressed as the joker is not true.Also, modding an AR-15 to be full auto is "easy" only if you are a master machinist. He has a PhD and probably no priors. I doubt it his background check was an issue : P Um modding a AR-15 conversion kits exist (go google) to make them fully auto.
Semi-Automatic AR-15s are still deadly weapons unmodified. There is no evidence that it was illegally modified.
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This is so sad, my best wishes to all the people who have suffered in this tragedy.
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On July 21 2012 03:40 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:37 iGrok wrote:On July 21 2012 03:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On July 21 2012 03:28 iGrok wrote:On July 21 2012 03:20 drew-chan wrote:On July 21 2012 03:02 iGrok wrote:
Update from the police - Holmes was apprehended in the back of the theater by his vehicle. He had:
AR-15 Assault Rifle
Remmington 15 12-gauge shotgun
.40 cal Glock handgun
Second .40 cal Glock found in the car
71 people shot
12 deceased (10 on-site, 2 in hospitals)
Not looking for any other suspects, currently confident he acted alone. Full investigation to follow.
Body Armor included throat and groin protector (this is a lot of body armor for someone who just turned himself in - he was geared up for a full firefight.) Not wanting to bring a debate here, but just for my information, how hard is it in Colorado to get an arsenal like that. I mean don't you need licenses and/or a lot of money? With no prior criminal record, it's just a matter of money and time. Handguns are available in most countries. AR-15 is the civilian version of the M-16. It cannot shoot in fully automatic mode. Remmington Shotgun is available in many hunting stores. I don't know colorado law specifically (having only lived here for 2 months), but all states have a minimum of a full background check and a waiting period (usually 3 days to a week) after applying to purchase before you are allowed to purchase a gun. EDIT: The rumor that he dressed as the joker is not true.Also, modding an AR-15 to be full auto is "easy" only if you are a master machinist. He has a PhD and probably no priors. I doubt it his background check was an issue : P Um modding a AR-15 conversion kits exist (go google) to make them fully auto. Conversion kits aren't legal. So I suppose its also easy if you have criminal connections (of which he has no known or suspected). Criminal connections? Hell I live in Canada and I could find myself a conversion kit to an AR-15 -.- And I don't have "connections". Plus I thought a kit was legalized ? http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102104&page=1
That's from 2010. Have since been made illegal.
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On July 21 2012 03:31 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:20 yeint wrote:On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 20 2012 18:16 lost_artz wrote:
Did they at least kill the bastard?
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Should have shot them both dead. No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^. I'm quite sure the repeat crime rate of violent, psychopathic murderers is higher in a country where they let them out instead of not letting them out. no shit sherlock Show nested quote +
Rehabilitation is fine for thieves and drug dealers. It's a waste of resources for cold blooded killers. Why don't you read The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson and find out what happened when "rehabilitated" violent murderers were deemed "cured" and let out of Oak Ridge.
this has so many fallacies i dont know where to start if you believe rehabilitation works, you have to apply it reasonably (factoring in risks, and costs and whatever) to every crime, you cant say its ok to try it out on drunk drivers or whatever but not on murderers.
Of course I can. Murderers can't undo their crimes.
firstly because it implies that the former is a victim-less crime, and secondly because it implies you dont believe rehabilitation works in the first place. and for those of you who cant read, yes im aware the 'risks' are higher when debating the case of releasing a murderer, but thats why i said factoring in the risks, as anyone who is a professional in this case would do.
It's a matter of risk versus benefit. I'm saying there is no benefit to rehabilitating murderers. This is a subjective value judgement, and it's impossible for you to argue that I'm wrong.
secondly "why dont you read x" is always an annoying thing to hear. because 99% of books are just as one sided as the people who write them.
I was referring to an actual event that happened. Peter Woodcock was let out of Oak Ridge, because his "rehabilitators" thought he was cured. He promptly murdered a person.
rehabilitation works, its been proven to work. does that mean a system of implementing it is instantly perfect? no. does that mean there will never be mistakes? no. but you have to weigh the pros and cons fairly and with as little emotional input as possible.
Rehabilitation needs to work 100% of the time for it to ever be acceptable to release murderers. The cost of releasing 1000 car thieves may equal 50 stolen cars and the gain may be 950 rehabilitated criminals. The cost of releasing 1000 violent murderers may equal 50 dead innocents, and 950 rehabilitated criminals. For me, there is not even a question about whether I'd have 1000 locked up murderers, or 950 rehabilited ones along with 50 corpses.
saying because he killed x number of people its impossible to help him or that its not worth helping him is idiotic. locking him up forever wont bring those people back, costs a lot of money and doesnt help anyone. now im not arguing to let everyone out of jail tomorrow or whatever but, especially in america, these 'deterrents' do not work.
I never said it's impossible to help him. I said he's not worth helping. I've explained above why I think that.
i dont even know why im responding to this conversation because it wont force anyone here to reevaluate what they think they know about crime and punishment but demanding this guy be put to death or whatever wont solve your problems, maybe he cant be helped but none of us here are in a position to make that call. even though i feel the people who are put in a position to do so will make the wrong one, and we will just see another death from this tragedy.
Putting the guy to death solves the problem of "what do we do with him". Now, since I'm against the death penalty (because of the risk of mistakenly executing the innocent), I think that option is off the table. That leaves "lock him up forever" and "rehabilitate him". Only the "rehabilitate" option gives a significant risk of further loss of innocent life.
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Two buildings at the University of Colorado have been shut down and are being searched now according to ABC.
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AP law enforcement source: Colorado shooting suspect bought ticket to movie , went into theater as part of crowd.
So he was in the crowd and most likely the guy who walked out the exit door on his cell phone.
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I dont know if this has been posted:
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Unbelieveable, how do you know how to operate Twitter yet dont know what is trending and WHY?
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On July 21 2012 03:43 Cylluus wrote:
Two buildings at the University of Colorado have been shut down and are being searched now according to ABC.
Important to note that there are no suspicions of explosives and that this is just a precaution
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you dont really need a full automatic rifle to make this happen.
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RIP to all the victims.
My only question is why the suspect would turn himself in if he was geared for full head on gunfight??
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I live in aurora, co. Didnt go to this though (i work 9-5, so pretty much done with midnight showings for life, especially after this event). Friend of mine says that he was actually going to go see it, but made the decision to not go to see the movie (he lives right by that theater).
I dont remember ever hearing about something like this happening at a movie theater before, and definately not for a nidnight showing.
This event is going to change the way midnight showings work, and the mindset for going to the movies in general (in colorado).
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On July 21 2012 03:44 Tyree wrote:I dont know if this has been posted: Unbelieveable, how do you know how to operate Twitter yet dont know what is trending and WHY?
I'm guessing they know why it's trending and they're trying to capitalize off it, which is still absolutely unbelievable.
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On July 21 2012 03:32 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:24 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 03:15 xrapture wrote:On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:
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No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^. Just like the dead victims get to rehabilitate, right? No dude - you can't guilt your way out of this argument. The dead victims, as far as I know, are still fucking dead as you so kindly pointed out to everyone. Thank you for your brilliant insight. I hope the guy gets the chance to live a better life. It will not happen - you needn't worry - but all of this "he should have been shot on sight" talk is just insane. If you honestly believe it should be up to you who lives and who dies you are just as insane as this guy and someone should be trying to rehabilitate you. You are AFRAID of what this guy did so you become ANGRY and HATE him. Later you realize that "gee, fuck this whole bitter revenge thing just keeps me focused on the wrong part of this tragedy - I sure wish I had been more focused on the victims instead of revenge" so you end up SUFFERING for it. Do you see what I'm getting at here. Please stop acting so high and mighty about your moral supremacy. I am not angry at him because I am afraid, I am angry because he is a twisted monster who caused uncounted amounts of pain and suffering. He needs to be put down; there is nothing of value about his continued existence. Do note that you're entirely entitled to disagree with people about whether his life has value, because value judgements are subjective and therefore no one is "right". But please stop making this about how much better you think you are because you're so quick to ignore the decades of pain the victims' families will go through and focus on the highly questionable "virtue" of keeping this asshole around to taunt the mourning families with every additional breath he takes, and their loved ones don't.
I'm assuming your ad hominem is due to the fact that this is a touchy issue and you are still angry and afraid over what has happened. It's ok man.
My point is that it SHOULD be about the victims. I cannot hope to imagine how terrible their lives must be right now. We cannot HOPE to make their lives better by focusing our attentions on "how fucked this fucker would be if I got my fucking hands on him." That is ABSOLUTELY the wrong path to take. One of the hardest and yet most necessary things for human interaction is collected rational thought. Yeah man, this guy did some really really fucked up shit.
Please stop being so quick to dismiss my pacifistic viewpoint as one that comes from a feeling of superiority. I am in no way better than any of the people who died today. Which is WHY this thing is so scary. It could have happened to ANYONE. What American doesn't go to a movie theatre at least once in their life? I'm not ignoring the pain of the victims - I understand that the place to focus our efforts now is not "Ah'd blow his kneecaps out with buckshot" "Ahw, well Ah'd slice his arms awf with a me-CHET-ay." That is not only ignorant - it shows a lack of development in social structure since Hammurabi's Code. It takes no courage or strength to kill a detained lunatic. What DOES take courage and strength is looking into that man's eyes and saying "I am NOT going to kill you, because I am better than that."
". . . keeping this asshole around to taunt the mourning families with every additional breath he takes, and their loved ones don't." If this is what they are thinking about - then they're concern is incredibly misplaced.
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". . . keeping this asshole around to taunt the mourning families with every additional breath he takes, and their loved ones don't." If this is what they are thinking about - then they're concern is incredibly misplaced.
Who are you to tell them where their concern should be placed? If you had any sense, you'd KNOW that regardless of what you want or consider correct, the normal human response of many of them will be exactly that.
Please stop being so quick to dismiss my pacifistic viewpoint as one that comes from a feeling of superiority.
Please read the views of Christopher Hitchens on pacifism, to learn my views on pacifists. At this point I'll stop discussing anything with you because I run the risk of severely violating the rules of conduct on this site.
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This is absolutely awful. All those who are making judgements, think about this for a second. As far as we know until a few weeks ago this was a very successful person who had a honorable degree and was in med school, then suddenly dropped out and went on a shooting rampage. I am NOT trying to defend his actions but it is pretty apparent that he had some sort of mental break that pushed him into this. I truly hope that no more people die from this, and hopefully people can recover mentally from this.
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