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On July 21 2012 03:03 BisuDagger wrote:
Well, I just got official confirmation that one of my gf's friends was killed in the shooting. Trying to find out more presently. Really hard to f-ing work during a time like this.
Really sorry to hear that. My prayers go out to the victim's friends and family. I hope your gf isn't too shaken by the loss.
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On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 20 2012 18:16 lost_artz wrote:
Did they at least kill the bastard?
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Should have shot them both dead. No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^.
Guess how much lower their population is? ^_^
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Jesus fucking christ. A PhD pursuing medical student...
Does anyone know what the motives were?
Once I read the part where smoke cannisters were deployed and people thought it was part of the movie... No one was suspecting anything...wow
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On July 21 2012 03:07 RetroAspect wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 02:55 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 21 2012 02:45 RetroAspect wrote:On July 21 2012 02:07 Lumi wrote:
Okay, so, even more wow. Here's an update to my post on the last page.
I just talked to my friend who was there via phone, and, as it turns out, he was actually in that theater with his family originally. They asked another family to move over or something, but then decided they should just go to the theater next door where there was more space. He said his mind is just stuck on a few things.
A) That other family.
B) His dad carries a gun in a shoulder holster and there probably would have been a gun f ight if they had been there still. He's just lost between feeling lucky, freaked out, bad for the other family and thinking maybe they could have done something (his dad) if they had stayed there. But all things considered he seems to be doing pretty good.
Talk about crazy. Carrying a gun into a movie theater? and it's allowed? I don't even... Im speechless.. This whole thing is insane.. Poor people and their families Unless the movie theater, being a private place, has an explicit policy prohibiting any firearms from being brought into the theater, it's legal to do so provided the firearm owner has a concealed carry permit. It could also depend on state policy. In some states, for example, you can't concealed carry anywhere that requires paying for admission. In all states you can't concealed carry on premises where alcohol is served. There are probably lots of other rules that could vary from state to state. In my personal opinion, you shouldn't concealed carry in movie theaters due to the close proximity of so many other people. Freak accidents happen. However, I'm not sure whether or not it's expressly prohibited at that, or all movie theaters. Probably isn't allowed if I had to guess. Yeah well, allowed or not, it's just plain wrong.. Call it my liberal european viewpoint or whatever the fuck, i don't care If i found out that someone was carrying a fireweapon in a movie theater or other social gathering while being close to my loved ones, i'd fucking haunt him
This thread is not about gun policy, or specifically whether or not concealed carry is "right" or "wrong". You are in no position to make an analysis of that issue, and you especially should not attempt to do so here. My post was merely informative -- no opinion one way or another on the policy itself, just an opinion on it being safer to not do it in places where accidents have higher likelihood of causing injury to others. Don't derail this thread into personal opinions about the "rightness" or "wrongness" pertaining to the various subsets of gun policy in the US.
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On July 21 2012 03:03 BisuDagger wrote:
Well, I just got official confirmation that one of my gf's friends was killed in the shooting. Trying to find out more presently. Really hard to f-ing work during a time like this.
I feel for you man. I used to live in northern NJ, around the time of September 11th. Everyone knew someone who knew someone... so to speak.
What people don't realize is that it hits everyone hard. Regardless of whether it is someone in your immediate family or not, you feel it.
My father worked in the city like most people who took the mid-town direct into NY. The trains ran everyone home that day. I still have dreams about picking him up at the train station. I remember it perfectly, he was covered in dust and the train had a PA announcement that he was to burn his clothes when he got home (due to asbestos).
Tragedies like this hit home for so many.
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This really shouldn't turn into a "my criminal justice system is better than yours" thread, ok guys?
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On July 21 2012 03:10 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 20 2012 18:16 lost_artz wrote:
Did they at least kill the bastard?
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Should have shot them both dead. No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^. Guess how much lower their population is? ^_^
RATE, he said repeat RATE. So things like absolute numbers (population) make no sense. Did you go to school?
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On July 21 2012 03:11 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:07 RetroAspect wrote:On July 21 2012 02:55 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 21 2012 02:45 RetroAspect wrote:On July 21 2012 02:07 Lumi wrote:
Okay, so, even more wow. Here's an update to my post on the last page.
I just talked to my friend who was there via phone, and, as it turns out, he was actually in that theater with his family originally. They asked another family to move over or something, but then decided they should just go to the theater next door where there was more space. He said his mind is just stuck on a few things.
A) That other family.
B) His dad carries a gun in a shoulder holster and there probably would have been a gun f ight if they had been there still. He's just lost between feeling lucky, freaked out, bad for the other family and thinking maybe they could have done something (his dad) if they had stayed there. But all things considered he seems to be doing pretty good.
Talk about crazy. Carrying a gun into a movie theater? and it's allowed? I don't even... Im speechless.. This whole thing is insane.. Poor people and their families Unless the movie theater, being a private place, has an explicit policy prohibiting any firearms from being brought into the theater, it's legal to do so provided the firearm owner has a concealed carry permit. It could also depend on state policy. In some states, for example, you can't concealed carry anywhere that requires paying for admission. In all states you can't concealed carry on premises where alcohol is served. There are probably lots of other rules that could vary from state to state. In my personal opinion, you shouldn't concealed carry in movie theaters due to the close proximity of so many other people. Freak accidents happen. However, I'm not sure whether or not it's expressly prohibited at that, or all movie theaters. Probably isn't allowed if I had to guess. Yeah well, allowed or not, it's just plain wrong.. Call it my liberal european viewpoint or whatever the fuck, i don't care If i found out that someone was carrying a fireweapon in a movie theater or other social gathering while being close to my loved ones, i'd fucking haunt him This thread is not about gun policy, or specifically whether or not concealed carry is "right" or "wrong". You are in no position to make an analysis of that issue, and you especially should not attempt to do so here. My post was merely informative -- no opinion one way or another. Don't derail this thread into personal opinions about the "rightness" or "wrongness" pertaining to the various subsets of gun policy in the US.
Im not attacking you personally, neither do i want to start a such debate. I'm just as shocked as all of you by this. I just can't wrap my head around it.
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On July 21 2012 03:00 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 02:51 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On July 21 2012 02:47 Whole wrote:On July 21 2012 02:46 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Anytime somebody does something terrible like this I sort of wish we, as a society, would agree or do our best to wipe their name from history like the ancient Greeks tried with Herostratus (who burned down the Temple of Artemis). While I don't think it would be successful, I think removing the somewhat glorifying news cycle of shit like this might be for the better.
I know it's wishful thinking, but that doesn't stop me from doing wishing it. i just read 1984...i don't think that'd be a good idea So you think massive news coverage given to mass murderers by exposing their face, plans, reasoning, and ideas to the entire world on a news cycle that lasts for weeks is a good thing? It only begets more of the same from disgusting and depraved individuals. No, I just don't think erasing or altering the past is a very good idea in any circumstance.
I'd argue that not showing the faces or last name of people like this is perfectly valid, it allows for good coverage without giving them glorification. as far as motive, that's perfectly valid when framed in a purposely boring very journalistic voice, i think daily life coverage of them is too far. Again i'm not saying that the information be blacked out but as moral reporting, news organizations shouldn't be publishing that sorta of details.
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On July 21 2012 03:10 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 20 2012 18:16 lost_artz wrote:
Did they at least kill the bastard?
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Should have shot them both dead. No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^. Guess how much lower their population is? ^_^
Guess much their repeat crime rate cares about the total population ^_^?
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so sad, i will never understand a person who could commit such a random act of violence, my prays to the victims and i wish the shooter a slow and painful death for committing such a cowardly act
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On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 20 2012 18:16 lost_artz wrote:
Did they at least kill the bastard?
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Should have shot them both dead. No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^.
Hes not seeking a better return on crime rate hes seeking revenge, a normal human biological urge that stems from the human brain's need for a pattern to make sense.
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On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 20 2012 18:16 lost_artz wrote:
Did they at least kill the bastard?
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Should have shot them both dead. No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^.
Just like the dead victims get to rehabilitate, right?
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On July 21 2012 03:12 RetroAspect wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:10 RoosterSamurai wrote:On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 20 2012 18:16 lost_artz wrote:
Did they at least kill the bastard?
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Should have shot them both dead. No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^. Guess how much lower their population is? ^_^ RATE, he said repeat RATE. So things like absolute numbers (population) make no sense. Did you go to school?
I went to school. Did you? You have to have criminals to have a crime rate, and you need to have a populace to have criminals. Norway has a population of roughly 5 million. The USA has a population of roughly 311 million. Of course we're going to have a higher repeat RATE.
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On July 21 2012 03:12 RetroAspect wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:10 RoosterSamurai wrote:On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 20 2012 18:16 lost_artz wrote:
Did they at least kill the bastard?
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Should have shot them both dead. No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^. Guess how much lower their population is? ^_^ RATE, he said repeat RATE. So things like absolute numbers (population) make no sense. Did you go to school?
Correlation does not necessarily imply causation. That the US has higher crime rates correlated with, in one's opinion, a worse rehabilitation system, does necessarily mean that the two are directly linked.
In any case, this thread is not a platform for debating Norway vs. US rehabilitation systems. That belongs in its own thread.
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On July 21 2012 03:03 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 02:55 yeint wrote:On July 21 2012 02:35 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 MasaDaKing wrote:On July 20 2012 18:29 Looms wrote:
"One of the attackers shot a baby at point blank range," he said.
WHAT. THE. FUCK. ???!!??!?!?
this better not be true Thats so fucked up. This whole thing is. What kind of an human being CAN do this kind of shit? Humans like this should not deserve to get death penalty. This may be a bit radical but they should just be kept alive to suffer. Say, keep them alive but make their life a living hell, not just in jail but some other way. Fucking break their knees and make them walk for the rest of their lives. This makes me so angry. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. Careful my friend. This is why others are in charge of their sentencing. Sure you could blow out their kneecaps and make them crawl around on all fours across the Salt Flats, but what would that do to your soul? If I knew 100% that he was guilty, me and my soul would be knocking back a scotch with one hand as my other hand would swing a cat-o-nine-tails to make him hobble on his broken knees faster. Revenge fantasies aside, I wish they'd lock him the fuck up, throw away the key, and never talk about him again. Let psychiatrists and geneticists study him so that we can one day engineer this kind of sickness out of our species. I am sorry for you my friend.
You're not my friend, and I didn't ask for your condescension.
I am angered by the idea of this evil asshole deriving any further pleasure from his horrific crime while his malfunctioning brain is still supplied with oxygen. I want him to experience at least a modicum of suffering comparable to those of the victims and their families, and then I want him to stop breathing before he acclimatizes to the physical pain and starts reliving his "blaze of glory" in his head again.
This is not unhealthy. If anything, a dogmatic insistence on feeling compassion for this irredeemable monster speaks of an unhealthy inability to actually empathize with people.
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His motivation was lunacy. People go crazy. And some of those crazy people get ideas about using weapons. If all firearms were banned in this country, you could still import them or construct a homemade bomb. And if everyone was allowed to openly carry firearms, they would've been helpless against a guy with automatic weapons and body armor.
Of course there were homicidal maniacs prior to the invention of television and the invention of the firearm. Doesn't mean that our culture of money, violence and idiocy isn't extremely regrettable. Just because I can sit down and play GTA for a few hours and not go out and commit mass murder doesn't mean that we should be proud of the game's existence.
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On July 21 2012 03:11 Smancer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:03 BisuDagger wrote:
Well, I just got official confirmation that one of my gf's friends was killed in the shooting. Trying to find out more presently. Really hard to f-ing work during a time like this. I feel for you man. I used to live in northern NJ, around the time of September 11th. Everyone knew someone who knew someone... so to speak. What people don't realize is that it hits everyone hard. Regardless of whether it is someone in your immediate family or not, you feel it. My father worked in the city like most people who took the mid-town direct into NY. The trains ran everyone home that day. I still have dreams about picking him up at the train station. I remember it perfectly, he was covered in dust and the train had a PA announcement that he was to burn his clothes when he got home (due to asbestos). Tragedies like this hit home for so many.
Yeah its crazy. 911 didn't affect me on a personal level but I'm in Florida and feel a slew of emotions during this event.
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I can't get over the fact that he was wearing full ballistics gear. What in the hell was he preparing for? And why in the hell did he surrender so easily?
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On July 21 2012 03:12 RetroAspect wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:10 RoosterSamurai wrote:On July 21 2012 03:07 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 03:04 Gatored wrote:On July 21 2012 03:00 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:53 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:50 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 21 2012 02:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 02:32 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 20 2012 18:16 lost_artz wrote:
Did they at least kill the bastard?
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Should have shot them both dead. No. How are you then any different from the guy who burst into the theatre and shot a bunch of people, dead? They'll almost definitely get life. That should be more than enough. A 24 year old has about 75 long years of suffering ahead of him in Max. Sec. If you police had killed him they would have been just as bad as he is? what am I reading? In cold blood - yes. If there had been necessity to defend themselves that would be understandable. But to say that you wish the police had just killed this guy when they found him is about one of the most horrible things I think you can come up with. Think about the families and loved ones of the victims - not about revenge. Haven't enough people died already? How will yet another death solve anything? No one wants there to be any more blood spilled. Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Theoden doesn't kill Grima. Hell, even Cary Elwes doesn't kill Prince John. A hero is not forged through rash decisions based on revenge, but by logical decisions made at awkward times in the face of extreme adversity. In my opinion as soon as you take another life without justification your own life is forfeit, that's fine if you disagree. Yes! And he will be given a sentence equal to multiple life sentences he will be in jail for the rest of his life. Do you have any idea what the other convicted mass murderers are going to do to a skinny white kid who shot a baby in the face? My guess is he doesn't even make it as long as Dahmer. Still - there is absolutely NOTHING healthy about wishing death on another human being. You know what I hope - and this may sound crazy - but I hope the guy gets rehabilitated, somehow gets the opportunity for parole (unlikely), makes it, gets out of prison and starts a new life somewhere. I'm glad you're not in charge. We don't need another mass murder on our hands if he were to get out again. And I read what you said, rehabilitation, yada yada yada. Can you ever truly know if a person has changed? The mind is a very complex thing. In Norway they rehabilitate their criminals instead of putting them in jail for X amount of time. Guess how much lower their repeat crime rate is ^_^? I'm glad people like me run the better systems in the world ^_^. Guess how much lower their population is? ^_^ RATE, he said repeat RATE. So things like absolute numbers (population) make no sense. Did you go to school?
While you are correct, he never took into account demographic differences. Also, I wonder how many mass murders Norway has rehabiliated, because that is the only statistic that matters. That guy is really annoying wishing that the guy lives a normal life, people deserve punishment.
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