EPTSo this shows that kids will get around what their parents want eventually, unless the parent denies all freedom from the kid (which is even worse than letting them play all they want)
South Korea Implements Anti-Gaming Law - Page 4
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Mongoose
United Kingdom190 Posts
So this shows that kids will get around what their parents want eventually, unless the parent denies all freedom from the kid (which is even worse than letting them play all they want) | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
And wtf is up with the bad analogies? Yes, water should be banned, but it is not, because the advantages outweigh the disadvantages by far. Is it the same case with gaming? Analogies are not the way to go in internet discussions, because they often are inaccurate and distort facts by simplifiying them so they favor the standpoint of the one who uses the analogy. Like a wise man once said: Finding proper analogies is as hard as...as... | ||
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Parskatt
Sweden9 Posts
That depends on how you interpret the term "addiction". For example, if you see a fat guy do you say he is addicted to eating or that he just does too little exercise? The same could be said for a lot of things, but I'm not going to bring up each example since I would wind up with a wall of text. Personally I don't think gaming addiction exists and can be cured, and frankly I believe that it's in their culture much like in America with fast food. Allthough this might be a good thing it's about the same as forcing Mc donalds to serve carrots instead of fries in their happy meals, it will just make the kids get there unhealthy food someplace else and won't actually solve the issue. (Sorry for all the fast food refrences) | ||
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[]Phase[]
Belgium927 Posts
People can die of not eating enough / healthy enough / moving enough / getting enough rest. Every case of 'guy x dies after 3 day straight gaming' is just because they didnt live healthy. You can't die from gaming nor the addiction | ||
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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Kyrillion
Russian Federation748 Posts
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
On July 04 2012 06:22 Kyrillion wrote: Are cigarettes allowed to sale in South Korea ? I doubt they are sold to kids. | ||
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Celadan
Norway471 Posts
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w.s
Sweden850 Posts
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FloKi
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
On July 04 2012 03:00 Matuka wrote: Implying that there is such a thing as gaming addiction. LOLOL do you know the game called wow??? well yea that shit was equal to crack for many lost souls haha.(including my self for several years tt) | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Also no matter what, the law is giving one individual power to decide what another individual can not do. It'd be weird if your boss suddenly were allowed to prevent you from watching youtube in your personal time. Parent's moderating children is a normal thing though. I know child porn is already moderated by the government, but that's to prevent the spread of abuse to children. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On July 04 2012 06:40 cmen15 wrote: LOLOL do you know the game called wow??? well yea that shit was equal to crack for many lost souls haha.(including my self for several years tt) ...No. I bet you it wasn't equal to crack. Merely forsaking "real life" interactions for "virtual" interactions doesn't fit the description of addiction. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:43 LucidityDark wrote: We should ban pens guys. I think everybody around me is addicted to them, I mean they can't stop writing with them! Need to write something? First thing they pick up is a pen. I guess this law doesn't change much because parents would basically stop their children anyway, but I guess it is a hard restriction for doing something that you enjoy and harm no one else while doing. If you look up the definition of addiction you'll realize that you're using the term wrong. People aren't addicted to using pens, its just something that is usually necessary to use when taking notes (etc). Addiction is when a person has an overwhelming psychological compulsion to use/do something, even though continuing to do it has negative consequences in their life (which can take form in a number of ways). On July 04 2012 06:28 Celadan wrote: Horrible parenting leads to suicide,(AND is a MUCH MUCH bigger problem) shall we ban that that as well? If the government were capable of banning "horrible parenting" then they probably would. No offense, but if you thought about it for like half a minute you'd realize that regulating how parents interact with their kids would be seriously complicated and horribly intrusive into people's personal rights. Of course the government will try to support organizations that help kids out of child abuse situations, but the government can't do everything. Also in general determining whether this is an addiction or not isn't that important. Even if kids weren't technically addicted to playing video games, it can still be a form of escapism that is more gratifying than life, which can (and has) led to severe disruptions in their social/academic/work life. For all intents and purposes I think it can become just like an addiction; people would rather play a game because they don't want to face the negative reality of their life. As such it needs to be dealt with just like any other detrimental behaviours (gambling, drinking, overeating, etc.) Also in response to an earlier comment I'm pretty sure people don't just "forget to eat"...to imagine that happening is mind blowing. Everyone is aware of the signals their body sends them, there is no level of stupidity that could possibly make people forget the feeling of starving hunger and the need to put food in their body, especially when they've been doing it for as long as they've been alive. It makes more sense to view it in terms of how the feeling of hunger can be blocked or suppressed through an activity which is intensely captivating. If you're really focused in the moment on something that is crucial to you then your brain may be capable of suppressing the hunger signal until that moment has passed. But if gaming continues to be enthralling for longer periods of time, then that hunger signal will always be put to the wayside in favour of more gaming. | ||
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Hertzy
Finland355 Posts
On July 04 2012 03:45 sCCrooked wrote: This is what pops in my head when I think about gaming rehab: <Phil (Member)> Hi, everyone. My name is Phil. <All Members> Hi, Phil! <Collin (Counselor)> Now, Phil why have you joined us today? <Phil (Member)> I... *looks around nervously* <Dan (Member)> *gives encouraging look* Its ok, you can be honest here. <Phil (Member)> I... *says rest under his breath* was an avid starcraft addict... <Collin (Counselor)> Phil, could you say that a little louder please? <Phil (Member)> *speaks up louder* I said I was an avid starcraft addict. I-I used to get so addicted, I went onto this mode called "online ladder". I... I couldn't even stop playing because after 3 interruptions I would have to yell at my door that I couldn't come answer because I couldn't pause my game. Think I spent nearly 5 hours a day trying to increase my rank. Anyways uh... that's why I'm here. *Everyone claps gives Phil a hug* <Collin (Counselor)> We're glad to have you here, Phil. Somehow it just doesn't sound as bad as the heroin/crack/alcohol addicts' stories coming from the other rooms. That's because what you describe is not really gaming addiction yet. If you start neglecting things like personal hygiene, sleep, food and work in favor of playing the game and can't stop yourself from doing it, then you are addicted. I reckon the story wouldn't sound all that different from a crack addict's. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On July 04 2012 03:45 sCCrooked wrote: This is what pops in my head when I think about gaming rehab: <Phil (Member)> Hi, everyone. My name is Phil. <All Members> Hi, Phil! <Collin (Counselor)> Now, Phil why have you joined us today? <Phil (Member)> I... *looks around nervously* <Dan (Member)> *gives encouraging look* Its ok, you can be honest here. <Phil (Member)> I... *says rest under his breath* was an avid starcraft addict... <Collin (Counselor)> Phil, could you say that a little louder please? <Phil (Member)> *speaks up louder* I said I was an avid starcraft addict. I-I used to get so addicted, I went onto this mode called "online ladder". I... I couldn't even stop playing because after 3 interruptions I would have to yell at my door that I couldn't come answer because I couldn't pause my game. Think I spent nearly 5 hours a day trying to increase my rank. Anyways uh... that's why I'm here. *Everyone claps gives Phil a hug* <Collin (Counselor)> We're glad to have you here, Phil. Somehow it just doesn't sound as bad as the heroin/crack/alcohol addicts' stories coming from the other rooms. What you're describing is olganon. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:52 blubbdavid wrote: Don't think that the problem is solved just by parents restricting their children. There is a fuckton of PC bangs where the kids can play without parental control. And wtf is up with the bad analogies? Yes, water should be banned, but it is not, because the advantages outweigh the disadvantages by far. Is it the same case with gaming? Analogies are not the way to go in internet discussions, because they often are inaccurate and distort facts by simplifiying them so they favor the standpoint of the one who uses the analogy. Like a wise man once said: On that bolded part: Nope. Kids won't be able to play in PC Bangs. They will be able to use PCs, but not play those games under the banlist. | ||
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OnFiRe888
United States629 Posts
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On July 04 2012 03:09 Megaliskuu wrote: Did you see that thread that was posted here just a few days ago by that guy who has been playing for 2 years, still in plat league, who quit his job and everything. Thats an addiction lol. Quit his job for two years to play SC2 and still in plat? Doesn't sound like we lost the technology for interplanetary travel there... I'm all for limiting playtime for kids under 18 as long as it's reasonable and can't be abused. Unfortunately these kinds of laws tend to go too far in the other direction... | ||
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