South Korea Implements Anti-Gaming Law - Page 6
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tuestresfat
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RHMVNovus
United States738 Posts
On July 04 2012 08:15 sc14s wrote: actually i dropped out of school (1st yr college) and quit my job because of the game so yes it can be equal to crack in my estimation. Before I start, I would like to say, sc14s, that I am not attempting to belittle your very real plight. Your situation is extremely saddening, but I am certain I am not alone in wishing you all the best, both in StarCraft and in life. That said... The plural of anecdote is not data, and it is most certainly not chemical dependency. That's a bit harsh, I'll concede, but if there is no physiological need for gaming - i.e. withdrawal symptoms becoming manifest - calling it an addiction reduces the term 'addiction' to something utterly meaningless. It allows the following sentence to be valid: "I'm addicted to conversation - can't even go a day without it! I'm hooked on people!" The term 'Gaming Addiction' conflates the connotation of the medical term 'addiction' with the technical definition of the term 'Hobby,' taking the accuracy from 'Hobby' (people do spend massive amounts of time on this and other hobbies, after all) and the terror from the word 'addiction' (which, as a very real public health issue, is worthy of legislation). However, Gaming Addiction does not produce physiological cravings - therefore, it fails to fulfill any meaningful medical definition of addiction, meaning that the phrase is itself a contradiction. Moreover, if you argue that you are not using the term 'addiction' in the medical sense, then your definition and the consequent legislation of it has no place in public policy. Here's the Definition from the American Psychological Association. This was, again, rather harsh, but I am a firm believer that addiction is a term that, if it should become widely misused, can have disastrous impacts on public policy. The U.S., my homeland, incarcerates addicts as we speak. If we adopt the definition of 'addiction' - as advocated in this thread - that implies that the user is not under physical duress to take the drug, then we are only allowing the perpetuation of a viciously unscientific system by arguing that they are not suffering from a disease, but are rather amoral social deviants. This utter disregard for reality - a negligence embedded into public policy - is something I utterly loathe. This is a consequence of the lazy and negligent definitions being brandied about in our dialogue of addiction and even in this thread. Ergo, I believe my rather acrid words justified. As I said, I do not wish to call your experiences anything other than trying. Please believe my sincerity on this matter. | ||
Stitch
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logikly
United States329 Posts
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SpaceFighting
New Zealand690 Posts
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SEA KarMa
Australia452 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10345 Posts
On July 04 2012 13:40 SpaceFighting wrote: the thing is, even though i love progaming and such, it really does fk u up in terms on education... although it didn't effect me much, a majority of people who want to become a progamer.. DONT, and if ur unsuccessful, with a shitty background in ur education, ur screwed.. or u have to waste counless years on giving urself a foundation for university. stand by it But isn't that your own decision? What about musicians or artists who want to become professional, especially musicians who want to become full-time performers? Aren't there not many who want that? Does that fuck them up in terms of education? Isn't that up for them to decide? Isn't up to them how they handle their lives? If they mess up it's their fault. There shouldn't be laws preventing people from taking risks in their lives. It's not like they're going to be dead or anything. They can still find minimum wage jobs or better. It's not like no one's going to hire them. | ||
sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On July 04 2012 11:32 RHMVNovus wrote: Before I start, I would like to say, sc14s, that I am not attempting to belittle your very real plight. Your situation is extremely saddening, but I am certain I am not alone in wishing you all the best, both in StarCraft and in life. That said... The plural of anecdote is not data, and it is most certainly not chemical dependency. That's a bit harsh, I'll concede, but if there is no physiological need for gaming - i.e. withdrawal symptoms becoming manifest - calling it an addiction reduces the term 'addiction' to something utterly meaningless. It allows the following sentence to be valid: "I'm addicted to conversation - can't even go a day without it! I'm hooked on people!" The term 'Gaming Addiction' conflates the connotation of the medical term 'addiction' with the technical definition of the term 'Hobby,' taking the accuracy from 'Hobby' (people do spend massive amounts of time on this and other hobbies, after all) and the terror from the word 'addiction' (which, as a very real public health issue, is worthy of legislation). However, Gaming Addiction does not produce physiological cravings - therefore, it fails to fulfill any meaningful medical definition of addiction, meaning that the phrase is itself a contradiction. Moreover, if you argue that you are not using the term 'addiction' in the medical sense, then your definition and the consequent legislation of it has no place in public policy. Here's the Definition from the American Psychological Association. This was, again, rather harsh, but I am a firm believer that addiction is a term that, if it should become widely misused, can have disastrous impacts on public policy. The U.S., my homeland, incarcerates addicts as we speak. If we adopt the definition of 'addiction' - as advocated in this thread - that implies that the user is not under physical duress to take the drug, then we are only allowing the perpetuation of a viciously unscientific system by arguing that they are not suffering from a disease, but are rather amoral social deviants. This utter disregard for reality - a negligence embedded into public policy - is something I utterly loathe. This is a consequence of the lazy and negligent definitions being brandied about in our dialogue of addiction and even in this thread. Ergo, I believe my rather acrid words justified. As I said, I do not wish to call your experiences anything other than trying. Please believe my sincerity on this matter. Just as an aside that (what happened) was years ago. you are arguing semantics about the difference between a physical chemical addiction and a mental addiction.. obviously they are different, You are pretty much taking it too literal and missing the point. but regardless of if its "addiction" or not it is still possibly destructive to individuals which is what actually matters. | ||
kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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GhostLink
United States450 Posts
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BruceLee6783
United States196 Posts
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Parskatt
Sweden9 Posts
On July 04 2012 07:50 Clarity_nl wrote: You don't believe someone who is overweight is addicted to food first glance nor do I believe someone is addicted to gaming because they play games a lot at first glance. Doesn't mean there aren't fat people who are addicted to food and gamers who are addicted to games. Sure, it's not a physical addiction (although you could make a case for it with adrenaline and other stuff your brain does to you), but it's an addiction nonetheless. You know what else is (barely) physical? Smoking. You go cold turkey that shit is out of you in a day, so why do people have such a tough time quitting smoking...? They're addicted to it, mentally. Well actually smoking is not "barely" physical, if you are addicted to smoking it is hard to stop, even if you want to, since the lack of nicotine will often make people feel really sick. I haven't heard of a single person that actually wants to quit playing computer games but can't since they actually get ill from it. Maybe fastfood was a bad refrence since people that eat it actually feel ill if they try to switch diet :/ If anyone actually has seen a guy that is so addicted to playing computer that he get sick/ suffer from depression etc from himself choosing not to play even though he doesnt like it im all ears,. btw: being bored doesn't count | ||
Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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RHMVNovus
United States738 Posts
On July 04 2012 15:57 sc14s wrote: Just as an aside that (what happened) was years ago. you are arguing semantics about the difference between a physical chemical addiction and a mental addiction.. obviously they are different, You are pretty much taking it too literal and missing the point. but regardless of if its "addiction" or not it is still possibly destructive to individuals which is what actually matters. As I said, however, semantics matter. Words mean things. | ||
Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On July 04 2012 13:37 logikly wrote: everyone screen was showing starcraft.... no wonder these guys are so good. A side note. Korea really needs to learn how to be parents and control their children these laws are quite asinine. Yes all Koreans are bad parents because of SC... | ||
Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
On July 05 2012 06:14 Supamang wrote: Yes all Koreans are bad parents because of SC... I think he means these laws should be obsolete with good parental supervision. As in, making sure he does his/her homework instead of playing hours on end. I know I tried, and I would have succeeded if it weren't for my parents :/ | ||
FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On July 04 2012 09:16 snotboogie wrote: Actually this is a step towards better Foreigner competitiveness. Don't know if it will actually offset the Korean advantages of infrastructure and expertise in running progaming teams, but it's something. As for the law itself I've heard the situation in Korea is not really comparable to other countries so I'll refrain from posting my uneducated opinion on it. ...what? lowering the skill level for a sport is better for it? LOL | ||
Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
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Jewbacca
Australia36 Posts
On July 04 2012 03:09 Megaliskuu wrote: Did you see that thread that was posted here just a few days ago by that guy who has been playing for 2 years, still in plat league, who quit his job and everything. Thats an addiction lol. If there's anyone whose fail enough to play full time for 2 years and still be in plat then in all honesty he probably couldn't hold down a job anyway | ||
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