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tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
July 04 2012 01:01 GMT
#101
Title is insanely misleading please fix -.-'
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 04 2012 02:32 GMT
#102
On July 04 2012 08:15 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 06:54 Zeke50100 wrote:
On July 04 2012 06:40 cmen15 wrote:
On July 04 2012 03:00 Matuka wrote:
Implying that there is such a thing as gaming addiction.

LOLOL do you know the game called wow??? well yea that shit was equal to crack for many lost souls haha.(including my self for several years tt)


...No. I bet you it wasn't equal to crack. Merely forsaking "real life" interactions for "virtual" interactions doesn't fit the description of addiction.

actually i dropped out of school (1st yr college) and quit my job because of the game so yes it can be equal to crack in my estimation.

Before I start, I would like to say, sc14s, that I am not attempting to belittle your very real plight. Your situation is extremely saddening, but I am certain I am not alone in wishing you all the best, both in StarCraft and in life. That said...

The plural of anecdote is not data, and it is most certainly not chemical dependency.

That's a bit harsh, I'll concede, but if there is no physiological need for gaming - i.e. withdrawal symptoms becoming manifest - calling it an addiction reduces the term 'addiction' to something utterly meaningless. It allows the following sentence to be valid: "I'm addicted to conversation - can't even go a day without it! I'm hooked on people!"

The term 'Gaming Addiction' conflates the connotation of the medical term 'addiction' with the technical definition of the term 'Hobby,' taking the accuracy from 'Hobby' (people do spend massive amounts of time on this and other hobbies, after all) and the terror from the word 'addiction' (which, as a very real public health issue, is worthy of legislation). However, Gaming Addiction does not produce physiological cravings - therefore, it fails to fulfill any meaningful medical definition of addiction, meaning that the phrase is itself a contradiction. Moreover, if you argue that you are not using the term 'addiction' in the medical sense, then your definition and the consequent legislation of it has no place in public policy.

Here's the Definition from the American Psychological Association.

This was, again, rather harsh, but I am a firm believer that addiction is a term that, if it should become widely misused, can have disastrous impacts on public policy. The U.S., my homeland, incarcerates addicts as we speak. If we adopt the definition of 'addiction' - as advocated in this thread - that implies that the user is not under physical duress to take the drug, then we are only allowing the perpetuation of a viciously unscientific system by arguing that they are not suffering from a disease, but are rather amoral social deviants. This utter disregard for reality - a negligence embedded into public policy - is something I utterly loathe. This is a consequence of the lazy and negligent definitions being brandied about in our dialogue of addiction and even in this thread. Ergo, I believe my rather acrid words justified.

As I said, I do not wish to call your experiences anything other than trying. Please believe my sincerity on this matter.
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
Stitch
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong134 Posts
July 04 2012 04:32 GMT
#103
Sorry, link fixed!
Head Production Director of NDTV - No Dice Gaming - Twitter: @StitchHK
logikly
Profile Joined February 2009
United States329 Posts
July 04 2012 04:37 GMT
#104
everyone screen was showing starcraft.... no wonder these guys are so good. A side note. Korea really needs to learn how to be parents and control their children these laws are quite asinine.
함은정,류화영,남규리
SpaceFighting
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand690 Posts
July 04 2012 04:40 GMT
#105
the thing is, even though i love progaming and such, it really does fk u up in terms on education... although it didn't effect me much, a majority of people who want to become a progamer.. DONT, and if ur unsuccessful, with a shitty background in ur education, ur screwed.. or u have to waste counless years on giving urself a foundation for university.

stand by it
kuz pro
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
July 04 2012 04:45 GMT
#106
dont parents already have control over the amount of time their children can play anyway? doesnt seem like a big difference.
"terrible, terrible damage". terrible, terrible design.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10345 Posts
July 04 2012 04:48 GMT
#107
On July 04 2012 13:40 SpaceFighting wrote:
the thing is, even though i love progaming and such, it really does fk u up in terms on education... although it didn't effect me much, a majority of people who want to become a progamer.. DONT, and if ur unsuccessful, with a shitty background in ur education, ur screwed.. or u have to waste counless years on giving urself a foundation for university.

stand by it


But isn't that your own decision? What about musicians or artists who want to become professional, especially musicians who want to become full-time performers? Aren't there not many who want that? Does that fuck them up in terms of education? Isn't that up for them to decide? Isn't up to them how they handle their lives? If they mess up it's their fault. There shouldn't be laws preventing people from taking risks in their lives. It's not like they're going to be dead or anything. They can still find minimum wage jobs or better. It's not like no one's going to hire them.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 07:03:01
July 04 2012 06:57 GMT
#108
On July 04 2012 11:32 RHMVNovus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 08:15 sc14s wrote:
On July 04 2012 06:54 Zeke50100 wrote:
On July 04 2012 06:40 cmen15 wrote:
On July 04 2012 03:00 Matuka wrote:
Implying that there is such a thing as gaming addiction.

LOLOL do you know the game called wow??? well yea that shit was equal to crack for many lost souls haha.(including my self for several years tt)


...No. I bet you it wasn't equal to crack. Merely forsaking "real life" interactions for "virtual" interactions doesn't fit the description of addiction.

actually i dropped out of school (1st yr college) and quit my job because of the game so yes it can be equal to crack in my estimation.

Before I start, I would like to say, sc14s, that I am not attempting to belittle your very real plight. Your situation is extremely saddening, but I am certain I am not alone in wishing you all the best, both in StarCraft and in life. That said...

The plural of anecdote is not data, and it is most certainly not chemical dependency.

That's a bit harsh, I'll concede, but if there is no physiological need for gaming - i.e. withdrawal symptoms becoming manifest - calling it an addiction reduces the term 'addiction' to something utterly meaningless. It allows the following sentence to be valid: "I'm addicted to conversation - can't even go a day without it! I'm hooked on people!"

The term 'Gaming Addiction' conflates the connotation of the medical term 'addiction' with the technical definition of the term 'Hobby,' taking the accuracy from 'Hobby' (people do spend massive amounts of time on this and other hobbies, after all) and the terror from the word 'addiction' (which, as a very real public health issue, is worthy of legislation). However, Gaming Addiction does not produce physiological cravings - therefore, it fails to fulfill any meaningful medical definition of addiction, meaning that the phrase is itself a contradiction. Moreover, if you argue that you are not using the term 'addiction' in the medical sense, then your definition and the consequent legislation of it has no place in public policy.

Here's the Definition from the American Psychological Association.

This was, again, rather harsh, but I am a firm believer that addiction is a term that, if it should become widely misused, can have disastrous impacts on public policy. The U.S., my homeland, incarcerates addicts as we speak. If we adopt the definition of 'addiction' - as advocated in this thread - that implies that the user is not under physical duress to take the drug, then we are only allowing the perpetuation of a viciously unscientific system by arguing that they are not suffering from a disease, but are rather amoral social deviants. This utter disregard for reality - a negligence embedded into public policy - is something I utterly loathe. This is a consequence of the lazy and negligent definitions being brandied about in our dialogue of addiction and even in this thread. Ergo, I believe my rather acrid words justified.

As I said, I do not wish to call your experiences anything other than trying. Please believe my sincerity on this matter.

Just as an aside that (what happened) was years ago.

you are arguing semantics about the difference between a physical chemical addiction and a mental addiction.. obviously they are different, You are pretty much taking it too literal and missing the point.


but regardless of if its "addiction" or not it is still possibly destructive to individuals which is what actually matters.
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
July 04 2012 07:03 GMT
#109
China already has tons of laws like this. That's one of the reasons esports isn't a lot bigger over there.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
July 04 2012 07:26 GMT
#110
The new generation of gamers/hackers incoming...
Let a man play chess, and tell him that every pawn is his friend. Let him think both bishops holy. Let him remember happy days in the shadows of his castles. Let him love his queen. Watch him lose them all.
BruceLee6783
Profile Joined March 2007
United States196 Posts
July 04 2012 07:40 GMT
#111
This is what your parents meant if you've ever heard them say to you, "There's more to life than just video games." Anything done to the extreme can be (and probably will be) bad for you.
You have enemies? Good. It means you stood up for something.
Parskatt
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden9 Posts
July 04 2012 12:16 GMT
#112
On July 04 2012 07:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 06:02 Parskatt wrote:
On July 04 2012 03:09 qotsager wrote:
On July 04 2012 03:00 Matuka wrote:
Implying that there is such a thing as gaming addiction.


there is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_addiction



That depends on how you interpret the term "addiction". For example, if you see a fat guy do you say he is addicted to eating or that he just does too little exercise? The same could be said for a lot of things, but I'm not going to bring up each example since I would wind up with a wall of text.

Personally I don't think gaming addiction exists and can be cured, and frankly I believe that it's in their culture much like in America with fast food. Allthough this might be a good thing it's about the same as forcing Mc donalds to serve carrots instead of fries in their happy meals, it will just make the kids get there unhealthy food someplace else and won't actually solve the issue.

(Sorry for all the fast food refrences)


You don't believe someone who is overweight is addicted to food first glance nor do I believe someone is addicted to gaming because they play games a lot at first glance.

Doesn't mean there aren't fat people who are addicted to food and gamers who are addicted to games.
Sure, it's not a physical addiction (although you could make a case for it with adrenaline and other stuff your brain does to you), but it's an addiction nonetheless.

You know what else is (barely) physical? Smoking. You go cold turkey that shit is out of you in a day, so why do people have such a tough time quitting smoking...? They're addicted to it, mentally.

Well actually smoking is not "barely" physical, if you are addicted to smoking it is hard to stop, even if you want to, since the lack of nicotine will often make people feel really sick. I haven't heard of a single person that actually wants to quit playing computer games but can't since they actually get ill from it. Maybe fastfood was a bad refrence since people that eat it actually feel ill if they try to switch diet :/

If anyone actually has seen a guy that is so addicted to playing computer that he get sick/ suffer from depression etc from himself choosing not to play even though he doesnt like it im all ears,.
btw: being bored doesn't count
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
July 04 2012 12:42 GMT
#113
This is only a small step towards completely ban gaming from the country. The goverment wants to stop all gaming, but they have to forbid it in small steps, else people will make too much protest. It's quite sad.
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 04 2012 20:33 GMT
#114
On July 04 2012 15:57 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 11:32 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 04 2012 08:15 sc14s wrote:
On July 04 2012 06:54 Zeke50100 wrote:
On July 04 2012 06:40 cmen15 wrote:
On July 04 2012 03:00 Matuka wrote:
Implying that there is such a thing as gaming addiction.

LOLOL do you know the game called wow??? well yea that shit was equal to crack for many lost souls haha.(including my self for several years tt)


...No. I bet you it wasn't equal to crack. Merely forsaking "real life" interactions for "virtual" interactions doesn't fit the description of addiction.

actually i dropped out of school (1st yr college) and quit my job because of the game so yes it can be equal to crack in my estimation.

Before I start, I would like to say, sc14s, that I am not attempting to belittle your very real plight. Your situation is extremely saddening, but I am certain I am not alone in wishing you all the best, both in StarCraft and in life. That said...

The plural of anecdote is not data, and it is most certainly not chemical dependency.

That's a bit harsh, I'll concede, but if there is no physiological need for gaming - i.e. withdrawal symptoms becoming manifest - calling it an addiction reduces the term 'addiction' to something utterly meaningless. It allows the following sentence to be valid: "I'm addicted to conversation - can't even go a day without it! I'm hooked on people!"

The term 'Gaming Addiction' conflates the connotation of the medical term 'addiction' with the technical definition of the term 'Hobby,' taking the accuracy from 'Hobby' (people do spend massive amounts of time on this and other hobbies, after all) and the terror from the word 'addiction' (which, as a very real public health issue, is worthy of legislation). However, Gaming Addiction does not produce physiological cravings - therefore, it fails to fulfill any meaningful medical definition of addiction, meaning that the phrase is itself a contradiction. Moreover, if you argue that you are not using the term 'addiction' in the medical sense, then your definition and the consequent legislation of it has no place in public policy.

Here's the Definition from the American Psychological Association.

This was, again, rather harsh, but I am a firm believer that addiction is a term that, if it should become widely misused, can have disastrous impacts on public policy. The U.S., my homeland, incarcerates addicts as we speak. If we adopt the definition of 'addiction' - as advocated in this thread - that implies that the user is not under physical duress to take the drug, then we are only allowing the perpetuation of a viciously unscientific system by arguing that they are not suffering from a disease, but are rather amoral social deviants. This utter disregard for reality - a negligence embedded into public policy - is something I utterly loathe. This is a consequence of the lazy and negligent definitions being brandied about in our dialogue of addiction and even in this thread. Ergo, I believe my rather acrid words justified.

As I said, I do not wish to call your experiences anything other than trying. Please believe my sincerity on this matter.

Just as an aside that (what happened) was years ago.

you are arguing semantics about the difference between a physical chemical addiction and a mental addiction.. obviously they are different, You are pretty much taking it too literal and missing the point.


but regardless of if its "addiction" or not it is still possibly destructive to individuals which is what actually matters.

As I said, however, semantics matter. Words mean things.
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
July 04 2012 21:14 GMT
#115
On July 04 2012 13:37 logikly wrote:
everyone screen was showing starcraft.... no wonder these guys are so good. A side note. Korea really needs to learn how to be parents and control their children these laws are quite asinine.

Yes all Koreans are bad parents because of SC...
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
July 05 2012 00:49 GMT
#116
On July 05 2012 06:14 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 13:37 logikly wrote:
everyone screen was showing starcraft.... no wonder these guys are so good. A side note. Korea really needs to learn how to be parents and control their children these laws are quite asinine.

Yes all Koreans are bad parents because of SC...


I think he means these laws should be obsolete with good parental supervision. As in, making sure he does his/her homework instead of playing hours on end. I know I tried, and I would have succeeded if it weren't for my parents :/
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 05 2012 00:51 GMT
#117
On July 04 2012 09:16 snotboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 03:07 HaXXspetten wrote:
Ruining esports


Actually this is a step towards better Foreigner competitiveness.

Don't know if it will actually offset the Korean advantages of infrastructure and expertise in running progaming teams, but it's something.

As for the law itself I've heard the situation in Korea is not really comparable to other countries so I'll refrain from posting my uneducated opinion on it.



...what?

lowering the skill level for a sport is better for it?

LOL
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 05 2012 00:58 GMT
#118
this already happened no?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Okiesmokie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada379 Posts
July 05 2012 01:01 GMT
#119
A lot of games in south korea already had this implemented on their own. It's not as big a change as you'd think.
Jewbacca
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia36 Posts
July 05 2012 01:20 GMT
#120
On July 04 2012 03:09 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 03:00 Matuka wrote:
Implying that there is such a thing as gaming addiction.



Did you see that thread that was posted here just a few days ago by that guy who has been playing for 2 years, still in plat league, who quit his job and everything. Thats an addiction lol.


If there's anyone whose fail enough to play full time for 2 years and still be in plat then in all honesty he probably couldn't hold down a job anyway
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