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On July 04 2012 09:07 Nuclease wrote:
Because of the problems that SK has had so many times with addiction to gaming, I am not surprised at this at all.
If it's not all that surprising to hear about someone die in a PC Bang from gaming for too long, then something has to be done. :/
Theres already been multiple cases of gaming addiction where deaths have been a result or abuse/violence. I remember a case where a mother neglected her baby for gaming which resulted in the baby's death. Another is when a child was crying and the parent ruptured the lung of a child and killed him when they punched him/her extremely hard for disturbing them while gaming. In vietnam there were also cases of people killing themselves because they're extremely addicted when their parents refused to let them game. (some jumped out the apartment and died, others injured themselves)
This kind of news is just shadowed by everything else people deemed important. It might not be prominent, but it still happens. The addiction is real, not some bullshit people spew out.
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I sincerely doubt that this law is going to particularly impact potential pro gamers. Sure, it is remotely possible that some parents will nuke their children's SC2 time just to keep them from going pro and enter the profession chosen by the parents instead, but those will probably be the exception. Really, those kinds of parents would have found a way anyway.
However, the parents whose children are so hooked that they'll sneak to the computer to play when the parents are asleep can now block their children from playing without staying up all night watching their children and ruining their careers. More to the point, this law requires any online game being sold in Korea to provide the abilitty for the parents to do that.
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Battle.net already has full parential controls and as such shouldn't be affected by this much through.
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What if the partents of Maru prime decide that they want him to go to medical school, and puts a block on his sc2 play, hes only 14/15. that would suck lol.
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So, what happens to leenock and creator?
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Wow, seriously. How can so many people in this thread claim online gaming addiction is actually stupidity? I would ask those people, if they don't feel stupid, because they never did any research even though they obviously spend a lot of time online.
There are plenty reports of gaming addiction, just google the x stories of failed WoW lives. If you read what those people are saying, you will notice that they are describing the symptoms of a real addiction. Organizing your entire life to maximize gaming time isn't stupidity, that's called methodical. People start to depend on the social structure they have built in their online worlds and they also never learned to distinguish between good and bad rewards for effort; i.e. they feel like grabbing that new piece of armor or being promoted to master league, actually tells something about their success in life.
Just because you aren't affected doesn't mean addicts are stupid. They probably had some different lessons from their parents than most people, but to say they are stupid is plain ignorance. (I thought plain ignorance is a bannable offense on TL?)
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On July 11 2012 10:45 nimbim wrote:
Wow, seriously. How can so many people in this thread claim online gaming addiction is actually stupidity? I would ask those people, if they don't feel stupid, because they never did any research even though they obviously spend a lot of time online.
There are plenty reports of gaming addiction, just google the x stories of failed WoW lives. If you read what those people are saying, you will notice that they are describing the symptoms of a real addiction. Organizing your entire life to maximize gaming time isn't stupidity, that's called methodical. People start to depend on the social structure they have built in their online worlds and they also never learned to distinguish between good and bad rewards for effort; i.e. they feel like grabbing that new piece of armor or being promoted to master league, actually tells something about their success in life.
Just because you aren't affected doesn't mean addicts are stupid. They probably had some different lessons from their parents than most people, but to say they are stupid is plain ignorance. (I thought plain ignorance is a bannable offense on TL?)
Hmm if they are addicted they should either try to fix it or if they are under age their parents shouldn't be letting it happen. It shouldn't be up to the government to fix gaming addiction or anything. That should be the parents/family not the government. I know when I was younger my dad would only let me play games for 2 hours a day at most when I was younger. The only times there were exceptions to this rule were if it was really crappy outside and nothing to do, even then we still wouldnt' be allowed to play all day (me and brother).
It's something parents can do and if their kid throws a tantrum then threaten to make it shorter or not be allowed to be for x amount of days. It's the only way to stop it.
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You can get addicted to anything that releases your brain's reward chemicals, seratonin and dopamine. That's... why they're an addiction. Because you want the reward. This kind of cannot be broken down any simpler than that, your brain likes things that makes it happy, so it will continue partaking in whatever nets it such a reward.
That said, I still think it's up to the user (at least when they're of age) to control themselves. I'd like to say that I can do it so others should be able to as well, but that sadly isn't the case, partially because of differences in people on the biological level, but also because some people are just too damn lazy/weak willed. I want to help the former, but have no tolerance of the latter.
(Then again I'm not very strong willed when it comes to staying in shape and such so I'm a hypocrite).
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On July 04 2012 03:09 qotsager wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 03:00 Matuka wrote:
Implying that there is such a thing as gaming addiction. there is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_addictionthis doesn't seem too bad, does it? i mean, the parents decide how much and when their child plays, and most parents regulate their childrens consume of games anyway. as they should. i wouldn't want a 13-year-old to play 8 hours a day. seriously.
Formally there is no such thing as Video game addiction. First off, quoting wikipedia on this matter is inappropriate. Second, the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual V or DSM V for short is not going to recognize Internet Addiction or Video Game Addiction as formal diagnoses. Until there has been more research on the matter and the authorities on the matter make it a formal diagnosis, it is not a psychological disorder. I'd argue that so called "Internet Addiction" and "Video Game Addiction" are merely symptoms of a larger problem such as a personality disorder, problems with the formation of the prefrontal cortex of the brain, ADHD, et cetera,
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On July 04 2012 06:02 Parskatt wrote:
That depends on how you interpret the term "addiction". For example, if you see a fat guy do you say he is addicted to eating or that he just does too little exercise? The same could be said for a lot of things, but I'm not going to bring up each example since I would wind up with a wall of text.
Personally I don't think gaming addiction exists and can be cured, and frankly I believe that it's in their culture much like in America with fast food. Allthough this might be a good thing it's about the same as forcing Mc donalds to serve carrots instead of fries in their happy meals, it will just make the kids get there unhealthy food someplace else and won't actually solve the issue.
(Sorry for all the fast food refrences)
On July 11 2012 23:52 NEOtheONE wrote:
Formally there is no such thing as Video game addiction. First off, quoting wikipedia on this matter is inappropriate. Second, the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual V or DSM V for short is not going to recognize Internet Addiction or Video Game Addiction as formal diagnoses. Until there has been more research on the matter and the authorities on the matter make it a formal diagnosis, it is not a psychological disorder. I'd argue that so called "Internet Addiction" and "Video Game Addiction" are merely symptoms of a larger problem such as a personality disorder, problems with the formation of the prefrontal cortex of the brain, ADHD, et cetera,
Educate yourselves:
http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/recent-internet-addiction-studies-include-porn
That site is very thorough on the science behind addiction and the politics at play re "there is no such thing as video game addiction."
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On July 11 2012 23:58 KamMoye wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 06:02 Parskatt wrote:
That depends on how you interpret the term "addiction". For example, if you see a fat guy do you say he is addicted to eating or that he just does too little exercise? The same could be said for a lot of things, but I'm not going to bring up each example since I would wind up with a wall of text.
Personally I don't think gaming addiction exists and can be cured, and frankly I believe that it's in their culture much like in America with fast food. Allthough this might be a good thing it's about the same as forcing Mc donalds to serve carrots instead of fries in their happy meals, it will just make the kids get there unhealthy food someplace else and won't actually solve the issue.
(Sorry for all the fast food refrences) Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 23:52 NEOtheONE wrote:
Formally there is no such thing as Video game addiction. First off, quoting wikipedia on this matter is inappropriate. Second, the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual V or DSM V for short is not going to recognize Internet Addiction or Video Game Addiction as formal diagnoses. Until there has been more research on the matter and the authorities on the matter make it a formal diagnosis, it is not a psychological disorder. I'd argue that so called "Internet Addiction" and "Video Game Addiction" are merely symptoms of a larger problem such as a personality disorder, problems with the formation of the prefrontal cortex of the brain, ADHD, et cetera, Educate yourselves: http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/recent-internet-addiction-studies-include-pornThat site is very thorough on the science behind addiction and the politics at play re "there is no such thing as video game addiction."
The DSM is the authority on the matters of diagnosing. You cannot just point to some research and say "see there is such a thing" because in order for something to be an "addiction" it has to have measurable and objective diagnostic criteria that is recognized by the authorities in the field, in this case Counselors, Psychologists, and Psychiatrists.
Furthermore, I have done far more research into the matter than just one article here and there. I have already read dozens of articles on the matter many of which have findings that disagree. Until my field (counseling psychology) recognizes it as a formal diagnosis, I will not treat it as such.
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Don't they have parents in korea? What i am suggesting is that the parents are responsible for their children. With this law non addictive children to good parents will be restricted in their spare time by the government because lousy parents can't control their children from playing all day long. I think this kind of mentality is called collective punishment and is not the way to good because it's an infringement of your personal freedom. Also as battle.net is part of the internet the law will limit the freedom of speech as battle.net is a forum for creative outlets and communication.
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On July 12 2012 00:04 NEOtheONE wrote:
The DSM is the authority on the matters of diagnosing. You cannot just point to some research and say "see there is such a thing" because in order for something to be an "addiction" it has to have measurable and objective diagnostic criteria that is recognized by the authorities in the field, in this case Counselors, Psychologists, and Psychiatrists.
Did you even read the link? What understanding did you take away from it?
Here's anothe one: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201205/porn-and-dsm-5-are-sexual-politics-play
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South Korea is going to start letting parents decide when their kids can game.
This is completely... dumb.
Put this in perspective. When I was 17, I played ~9-10 hours of games every day, with a focus on SC2. My grades slipped, my relationship suffered, and as a result my parents installed "Computer Time" on my computer. I was limited to two hours of *any kind of PC gaming* a day. Being computer savvy I was able to get around the program in multiple different ways, but eventually all of the holes were covered and I wasn't able to play anymore. My parents decided, without the government's help, that they could limit the amount of games I was playing.
I'm 20 now and I play whenever I want, but I try to keep a balance of "real" things in my life. But the point is, my parents had the right to limit my play time. Simple as that. They don't need the government's help in any of this. If they want to limit a child's right to use the computer or other gaming systems, they can. Simple as that. Whether or not you agree with their motives.
That being said... This system is not terrible. Instead of simply locking everyone out of playing for a certain block of the day, they let parents decide in a way that they don't have to be tech-savvy in order to enforce. And, if the parent is actually has a brain, they'll let their kid play whenever they want to as long as it doesn't interfere with their school and stuff.
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On July 12 2012 00:10 KamMoye wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 00:04 NEOtheONE wrote:
The DSM is the authority on the matters of diagnosing. You cannot just point to some research and say "see there is such a thing" because in order for something to be an "addiction" it has to have measurable and objective diagnostic criteria that is recognized by the authorities in the field, in this case Counselors, Psychologists, and Psychiatrists.
Did you even read the link? What understanding did you take away from it? Here's anothe one: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201205/porn-and-dsm-5-are-sexual-politics-play
Yes I did read the first site you linked, and what I took away from it was these were the results of 4 studies, which you always have to take with a grain of salt. I do agree that there is better evidence for sex related addictions, but these are not the same as general internet or video game problems. Sex triggers more hormones and areas of the brain. Of course one could also then argue that there is such a thing as "love addiction" that is being addicted to falling in "love," Which would really be an addiction to the combination of hormones that occur when you fall in love. The problem is that you can quickly start diagnosing anything and everything. Read through the DSM and you'll probably find you somewhat meet the criteria for a wide variety of disorders. Ultimately, it comes down to whether the behavior truly impairs the individual from functioning "normally" in society. The problem of course is that "normal functioning" is a subjective and relative term and is being made by a society that itself is sick with problems of its own.
The disorders related to the Internet and gaming are in the appendices under things that need to be researched for good reason. The Internet has only been in existence for about 3 decades, and the research into it and possible addiction is far more recent. The last thing we need in Psychology and Counseling is another blanket diagnosis being applied without adequate research into it. Is overuse of the Internet and video games dysfunctional, yes it certainly is. But are these primary problems or simply symptoms of larger problems related to brain development, social functioning, peer problems,
et cetera; this remains to be seen.
EDIT: also 10 total studies on the subject matter of Internet Addiction as of a post made in March of this year is a rather low number, and by low number I mean you should be hesitant to jump to any conclusions until more research is done. There are many ways to inflate results of studies, and you also have to consider sample size and ethnic diversity as well.
In order for these problems to be the primary problem you have to eliminate the other issues that could precipitate someone turning to the Internet and video games as a way to escape. These include problems interacting with peers, problems with brain development, genetic disorders, problems in the family life, problems with interacting with people they are sexually attracted to, et cetera.
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On July 12 2012 00:39 NEOtheONE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 00:10 KamMoye wrote:On July 12 2012 00:04 NEOtheONE wrote:
The DSM is the authority on the matters of diagnosing. You cannot just point to some research and say "see there is such a thing" because in order for something to be an "addiction" it has to have measurable and objective diagnostic criteria that is recognized by the authorities in the field, in this case Counselors, Psychologists, and Psychiatrists.
Did you even read the link? What understanding did you take away from it? Here's anothe one: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201205/porn-and-dsm-5-are-sexual-politics-play Yes I did read the first site you linked, and what I took away from it was these were the results of 4 studies, which you always have to take with a grain of salt. I do agree that there is better evidence for sex related addictions, but these are not the same as general internet or video game problems. Sex triggers more hormones and areas of the brain. Of course one could also then argue that there is such a thing as "love addiction" that is being addicted to falling in "love," Which would really be an addiction to the combination of hormones that occur when you fall in love. The problem is that you can quickly start diagnosing anything and everything. Read through the DSM and you'll probably find you somewhat meet the criteria for a wide variety of disorders. Ultimately, it comes down to whether the behavior truly impairs the individual from functioning "normally" in society. The problem of course is that "normal functioning" is a subjective and relative term and is being made by a society that itself is sick with problems of its own. The disorders related to the Internet and gaming are in the appendices under things that need to be researched for good reason. The Internet has only been in existence for about 3 decades, and the research into it and possible addiction is far more recent. The last thing we need in Psychology and Counseling is another blanket diagnosis being applied without adequate research into it. Is overuse of the Internet and video games dysfunctional, yes it certainly is. But are these primary problems or simply symptoms of larger problems related to brain development, social functioning, peer problems, et cetera; this remains to be seen. EDIT: also 10 total studies on the subject matter of Internet Addiction as of a post made in March of this year is a rather low number, and by low number I mean you should be hesitant to jump to any conclusions until more research is done. There are many ways to inflate results of studies, and you also have to consider sample size and ethnic diversity as well. In order for these problems to be the primary problem you have to eliminate the other issues that could precipitate someone turning to the Internet and video games as a way to escape. These include problems interacting with peers, problems with brain development, genetic disorders, problems in the family life, problems with interacting with people they are sexually attracted to, et cetera.
The point you do not seem to be understanding is that addiction is not just something you can start "quickly diagnosing." It is something that manifests via physical changes in your brain, most notably by the protein Delta FosB.
In any case, the fundamental brain changes for all addictions—both behavioral and chemical—are so similar that addiction specialists now consider all addiction to be one disease rather than many different diseases. Whether someone is diagnosed with gambling, videogaming or Internet addiction, it indicates that a specific collection of anatomical and physiological abnormalities has occurred (with minor variations).
Indeed, the same molecular switch triggers addiction-related brain changes in all addicts. The master switch that triggers these changes is the protein DeltaFosB. Both chronic, high level consumption of natural rewards (sex, sugar, high-fat) and chronic administration of virtually any drug of abuse cause DeltaFosB to accumulate in the reward circuit, thus triggering a cascade of further brain changes.
It would be interesting, but redundant, to isolate particular types of Internet addiction in order to establish the reality of any one of them, including porn addiction.
You can view these "new" addictions through physical means. An unwillingness to do that is an example of the politics at play.
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Here's an idea:
The people claiming gaming addiction isn't real are actually addicted and are in denial.
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On July 12 2012 12:41 xtruder wrote:
Here's an idea:
The people claiming gaming addiction isn't real are actually addicted and are in denial.
I would say people are saying South Korea has a bad understanding of "gaming addiction".
They want all their children to be worker bees and study 15 hours a day. A kid plays Starcraft for 4 hours a day instead of reading his Calculus textbook? Must be an addict, let's make some laws.
There is a reason South Korea has the highest suicide rates of children by a dramatic margin than any other first world country. Pressure. Constant pressure from parents and governments.
I don't mean to come off as a ignorant/racist, but this has been pretty blatant in some Asian countries for quite a few years now.
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On July 12 2012 12:41 xtruder wrote:
Here's an idea:
The people claiming gaming addiction isn't real are actually addicted and are in denial.
Agreed.
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On July 05 2012 17:13 Hertzy wrote:
I sincerely doubt that this law is going to particularly impact potential pro gamers. Sure, it is remotely possible that some parents will nuke their children's SC2 time just to keep them from going pro and enter the profession chosen by the parents instead, but those will probably be the exception. Really, those kinds of parents would have found a way anyway.
However, the parents whose children are so hooked that they'll sneak to the computer to play when the parents are asleep can now block their children from playing without staying up all night watching their children and ruining their careers. More to the point, this law requires any online game being sold in Korea to provide the abilitty for the parents to do that.
But that's exactly what  XellOs did 
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