On June 15 2012 00:39 blug wrote: Although the price might be a bit drastic, I do support it, because perhaps it will make Microsoft get their asses in line and produce a web browser that you can use by default that can run with all websites.
I've noticed lately that Microsoft have had loads of ad campaigns showing off the new IE, perhaps they are worried.
the new IE is supposedly pretty amazing, or so I've heard from other people.
On June 15 2012 00:39 blug wrote: Although the price might be a bit drastic, I do support it, because perhaps it will make Microsoft get their asses in line and produce a web browser that you can use by default that can run with all websites.
I've noticed lately that Microsoft have had loads of ad campaigns showing off the new IE, perhaps they are worried.
the new IE is supposedly pretty amazing, or so I've heard from other people.
On June 15 2012 00:36 bonifaceviii wrote: The PR behind this is wrong. They should present it as a discount to customers who have an up-to-date browser.
then they would have to make the normal price higher. why would they just give a discount to everyone?
On June 15 2012 00:39 blug wrote: Although the price might be a bit drastic, I do support it, because perhaps it will make Microsoft get their asses in line and produce a web browser that you can use by default that can run with all websites.
I've noticed lately that Microsoft have had loads of ad campaigns showing off the new IE, perhaps they are worried.
the new IE is supposedly pretty amazing, or so I've heard from other people.
So amazing that while every browser is perfectly capable of embedding webfonts, IE often requires @font-face declarations because it doesn't want to play ball. IE9 was a big step forward, but they still aren't there.
As a programmer/web developer who still has customers using IE6 and having to make websites/webapplications compatible with IE6 I heavily endorse this. People needs to seriously stop using 10+ year old software (IE6) or even IE7. Microsoft could easily remedy this by doing a tiny update so that all IE6 and IE7 browsers show a small notification of how outdated a browser people are using. This would fix the situation for a lot of non-tech savvy users.
Also, Firefox, Chrome, Safari are all free. If people still refuse to update their software to meet 2012 standards then I say the website/owners/programmers are free to do to IE6/7 users whatever they want.
I really really wish I could make my companies' customers update their damn browsers. We still get the occasional IE6 or IE7 bugs or whatever cropping up and having to spend time and money into fixing them. Some features are simply not available in IE6 but try convincing certain customers of that.
Sometimes I wonder how many signs people are ignoring whilst using IE6 and 7. Hundreds of websites and functions simply don't work in IE6/7 and still they stick with it... Time is obviously not going to fix this and neither is Microsoft so if the website owners want to step in, I will gladly let them.
P.S. The Battlefield 3 web interface (Battlelog) which is made by EA had discontinued IE 8 (yes eight) support because it wasn't compatible anymore with some features that Battlelog has...
As someone who has never actually used IE (I used NetScape Navigator once upon a time), what are the glaring problems with it? Everyone seems to hate it so much, lol. Is it just very slow and clunky?
On June 15 2012 04:36 FallDownMarigold wrote: As someone who has never actually used IE (I used NetScape Navigator once upon a time), what are the glaring problems with it? Everyone seems to hate it so much, lol. Is it just very slow and clunky?
on top of being slow and clunky it is not compatible with a heck of a lot of stuff.
So they are charging CUSTOMERS to buy stuff from their website if they use a bad internet browser? They should be lucky those CUSTOMERS are even buying from them and keeping them in business. I'd like to see everyone using IE7 who shops with them to move their business somewhere else and see how Kogan reacts then. Pretty sure they would be losing money.
If IE7 support costs too much, Kogan should just drop it. A giant image explaining why they don't support IE7 and how to upgrade a browser should suffice.
On June 15 2012 05:09 Zooper31 wrote: So they are charging CUSTOMERS to buy stuff from their website if they use a bad internet browser? They should be lucky those CUSTOMERS are even buying from them and keeping them in business. I'd like to see everyone using IE7 who shops with them to move their business somewhere else and see how Kogan reacts then. Pretty sure they would be losing money.
I think you miss the point, Kogan is currently loosing money on these customers, pretty sure they wouldn't care if they lost them. It's different than a mechanic charging a premium for old car parts that are no longer in production.
Well, for home consumers I suppose it is different as they can always update their browser. But I'm sure some of these are people who are still using old web apps or software that require IE7. For those people it's no different.
I take nothing but amusement from this story. It'a actually quite a smart move, I'm a bit surprised that it hasn't been thought of before but now that it has I expect there might be some other sites following suit.
As a web developer all i can say is that 90% of my ex-colleagues time is simply "making it work in IE7/8" (luckily i work on newer stuff where those browsers aren't promised to be supported now)
good thing IE has the best script debugger (firebug and chrome inspector seriously suck balls compared to the IE script debugger) because it also is the worst browser and breaks with almost anything that is required to be supported by w3c standards.
On June 15 2012 00:37 Orcasgt24 wrote: Or you could just make the ebsite uncombatible with IE7 and be done with it. Im sure the 7 people still using IE7 Can go somewhere else and shop and not be missed.
I don't think that's very fair for people who aren't very computer savvy. I know personally that some of my cousins and auntys simply don't use a computer as much as I do and automatically assume IE is the only browser available.
Well they should get computer savvy. And eventually pretty much everyone will be.
On June 15 2012 03:16 Thezzy wrote: As a programmer/web developer who still has customers using IE6 and having to make websites/webapplications compatible with IE6 I heavily endorse this. People needs to seriously stop using 10+ year old software (IE6) or even IE7. Microsoft could easily remedy this by doing a tiny update so that all IE6 and IE7 browsers show a small notification of how outdated a browser people are using. This would fix the situation for a lot of non-tech savvy users.
In Holland the customerbase still using IE6 is 0.2% according to statcounter. I seriously do not understand why you still need to optimize for it. Is your customerbase 80 year old fishermen or something? If you aren't willing to drop support when there are only 0.2% of them using a browser, when ARE you willing to drop them?
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