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On April 20 2012 04:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 04:35 Doublemint wrote:On April 20 2012 03:38 xDaunt wrote:On April 20 2012 03:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 20 2012 03:28 Silidons wrote:On April 20 2012 03:19 Zaqwert wrote:
I love the "Romney is out of touch" argument.
Yeah, because Obama, who is worth millions himself, is so much more in touch?
Almost every politician from both major parties have no interest in the common man, other than duping him into voting for him. mitt romney was born rich. obama was not. I know Obama wasn't directly born into riches, but iirc his grandparents were extremely wealthy and basically were the ones who supported him financially. I don't see how anyone can think of Obama as an average joe or someone who can even connect with average joes. His background and upbringing were nothing like those ordinary Americans. Hell, the guy has an ivy league education, went to law school, and was a professor -- all of which divorce individuals from the realities of ordinary people. Community organizer I think would be in the category "connecting with average people". I also looked it up not to be wrong, every single potus in the last 30 years was at least college educated, if not ivy league educated (just for the sake of argument - even before that people in the white house used to be smart... and graduating from college.) I don´t see how that is even an issue. I didn't say it was an issue. I'm just pointing out that it's hypocritical to hammer Romney for being out of touch when Obama really isn't any different.
I think 'out-of-touch' is the wrong adjective for Obama. 'Professorial' or 'Know-it-all' or 'Overachiever' is more fair.
He's only 'out-of-touch' the way the star football player at your high school is 'out-of-touch' for being so damn good at football.
Mitt Romney on the other hand, was born and raised practically on another planet.
Romney is a silver spooner, Obama is the uber-charming popular-kid. It's like Richie Rich versus Ferris Bueller.
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On April 20 2012 04:24 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 03:39 CajunMan wrote:On April 20 2012 03:35 SafeAsCheese wrote:On April 20 2012 03:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 20 2012 03:28 Silidons wrote:On April 20 2012 03:19 Zaqwert wrote:
I love the "Romney is out of touch" argument.
Yeah, because Obama, who is worth millions himself, is so much more in touch?
Almost every politician from both major parties have no interest in the common man, other than duping him into voting for him. mitt romney was born rich. obama was not. I know Obama wasn't directly born into riches, but iirc his grandparents were extremely wealthy and basically were the ones who supported him financially. He still had to get loans and stuff to attend University. He was far from poor or lower class, but he was not Prince MegaRich like many other people who can run for president. Your fiscal standing has no bearing on your presidential policies. What? It probably shouldn't, but it's a joke to say that a candidate's life experiences won't somehow shape his policy. Not saying any of this does or does not apply to Obama or Romney, but just as an example, you don't think a presidential candidate who grew up poor might feel stronger (positively) about welfare? Or that a presidential candidate who grew up privileged might not think it's very important, or be against it? Their fiscal standing NOW might not affect their policies, but there is a huge difference between having to earn and work for things growing up and having them provided for you. And this coming from someone who was extremely privileged with the opportunities I was provided.
Speaking of prior life experience, have you considered that as a Mormon bishop, Romney oversaw a huge welfare program. Were you aware that it was his job to personally interview people in need of financial assistance?
Do you know what percentage of their income Barack and Michelle donated to charity in the years leading up to his presidential run? How about Mitt and Ann?
If you are going to make an educated guess about someones personal compassion for the less fortunate, I would suggest looking at actual behavior rather than obscure details about their backgrounds which they could not control.
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Can a mod please take all of the user's "points" out of the OP and leave just leave the polls so it is more fair. The vast majority of the points he laid out are incredibly biased in favour of the Republican party, and paint an unfair picture of Obama compared to Romney (Particularly all the points about "mainstream media" being biased toward Obama when Romney has had just as much support from Fox News and the conservative radio pundits). Especially considering the OP has been temp-banned already for name-calling against people who have questioned things regarding the candidate he obviously is voting for.
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On April 20 2012 04:56 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 04:36 xDaunt wrote:On April 20 2012 04:35 Doublemint wrote:On April 20 2012 03:38 xDaunt wrote:On April 20 2012 03:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 20 2012 03:28 Silidons wrote:On April 20 2012 03:19 Zaqwert wrote:
I love the "Romney is out of touch" argument.
Yeah, because Obama, who is worth millions himself, is so much more in touch?
Almost every politician from both major parties have no interest in the common man, other than duping him into voting for him. mitt romney was born rich. obama was not. I know Obama wasn't directly born into riches, but iirc his grandparents were extremely wealthy and basically were the ones who supported him financially. I don't see how anyone can think of Obama as an average joe or someone who can even connect with average joes. His background and upbringing were nothing like those ordinary Americans. Hell, the guy has an ivy league education, went to law school, and was a professor -- all of which divorce individuals from the realities of ordinary people. Community organizer I think would be in the category "connecting with average people". I also looked it up not to be wrong, every single potus in the last 30 years was at least college educated, if not ivy league educated (just for the sake of argument - even before that people in the white house used to be smart... and graduating from college.) I don´t see how that is even an issue. I didn't say it was an issue. I'm just pointing out that it's hypocritical to hammer Romney for being out of touch when Obama really isn't any different. I think 'out-of-touch' is the wrong adjective for Obama. 'Professorial' or 'Know-it-all' or 'Overachiever' is more fair. He's only 'out-of-touch' the way the star football player at your high school is 'out-of-touch' for being so damn good at football. Mitt Romney on the other hand, was born and raised practically on another planet. Romney is a silver spooner, Obama is the uber-charming popular-kid. It's like Richie Rich versus Ferris Bueller.
Well it's certainly a good thing that we don't elect people like it's some kind of high school popularity contest.
Oh, wait....
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On April 20 2012 05:00 U_G_L_Y wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 04:24 ZasZ. wrote:On April 20 2012 03:39 CajunMan wrote:On April 20 2012 03:35 SafeAsCheese wrote:On April 20 2012 03:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 20 2012 03:28 Silidons wrote:On April 20 2012 03:19 Zaqwert wrote:
I love the "Romney is out of touch" argument.
Yeah, because Obama, who is worth millions himself, is so much more in touch?
Almost every politician from both major parties have no interest in the common man, other than duping him into voting for him. mitt romney was born rich. obama was not. I know Obama wasn't directly born into riches, but iirc his grandparents were extremely wealthy and basically were the ones who supported him financially. He still had to get loans and stuff to attend University. He was far from poor or lower class, but he was not Prince MegaRich like many other people who can run for president. Your fiscal standing has no bearing on your presidential policies. What? It probably shouldn't, but it's a joke to say that a candidate's life experiences won't somehow shape his policy. Not saying any of this does or does not apply to Obama or Romney, but just as an example, you don't think a presidential candidate who grew up poor might feel stronger (positively) about welfare? Or that a presidential candidate who grew up privileged might not think it's very important, or be against it? Their fiscal standing NOW might not affect their policies, but there is a huge difference between having to earn and work for things growing up and having them provided for you. And this coming from someone who was extremely privileged with the opportunities I was provided. Speaking of prior life experience, have you considered that as a Mormon bishop, Romney oversaw a huge welfare program. Were you aware that it was his job to personally interview people in need of financial assistance? Do you know what percentage of their income Barack and Michelle donated to charity in the years leading up to his presidential run? How about Mitt and Ann? If you are going to make an educated guess about someones personal compassion for the less fortunate, I would suggest looking at actual behavior rather than obscure details about their backgrounds which they could not control.
This is where a lot of people criticize Romney most strongly though, in that he has previously been a part of successful welfare programs, both within the Mormon church and at work in state capitals, and yet he is now campaigning as someone who is staunchly anti government intervention. Take issue with what Obama has done in the past or not, he simply does not compare with Romney when it comes to dramatic changes of face.
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On April 20 2012 05:02 Ben... wrote:
Can a mod please take all of the user's "points" out of the OP and leave just leave the polls so it is more fair. The vast majority of the points he laid out are incredibly biased in favour of the Republican party, and paint an unfair picture of Obama compared to Romney (Particularly all the points about "mainstream media" being biased toward Obama when Romney has had just as much support from Fox News and the conservative radio pundits). Especially considering the OP has been temp-banned already for name-calling against people who have questioned things regarding the candidate he obviously is voting for.
Sorry, that's usually not done. Biased or banned OP's are perfectly allowed.
Take a look at this thread as an example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255487
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On April 20 2012 05:04 liberal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 05:02 Ben... wrote:
Can a mod please take all of the user's "points" out of the OP and leave just leave the polls so it is more fair. The vast majority of the points he laid out are incredibly biased in favour of the Republican party, and paint an unfair picture of Obama compared to Romney (Particularly all the points about "mainstream media" being biased toward Obama when Romney has had just as much support from Fox News and the conservative radio pundits). Especially considering the OP has been temp-banned already for name-calling against people who have questioned things regarding the candidate he obviously is voting for. Sorry, we don't do these types of things here. Biased or banned OP's are perfectly allowed. Take a look at this thread as an example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255487
Let alone that Obama is leading in these polls, hard.
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On April 20 2012 05:02 liberal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 04:56 Defacer wrote:On April 20 2012 04:36 xDaunt wrote:On April 20 2012 04:35 Doublemint wrote:On April 20 2012 03:38 xDaunt wrote:On April 20 2012 03:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 20 2012 03:28 Silidons wrote:On April 20 2012 03:19 Zaqwert wrote:
I love the "Romney is out of touch" argument.
Yeah, because Obama, who is worth millions himself, is so much more in touch?
Almost every politician from both major parties have no interest in the common man, other than duping him into voting for him. mitt romney was born rich. obama was not. I know Obama wasn't directly born into riches, but iirc his grandparents were extremely wealthy and basically were the ones who supported him financially. I don't see how anyone can think of Obama as an average joe or someone who can even connect with average joes. His background and upbringing were nothing like those ordinary Americans. Hell, the guy has an ivy league education, went to law school, and was a professor -- all of which divorce individuals from the realities of ordinary people. Community organizer I think would be in the category "connecting with average people". I also looked it up not to be wrong, every single potus in the last 30 years was at least college educated, if not ivy league educated (just for the sake of argument - even before that people in the white house used to be smart... and graduating from college.) I don´t see how that is even an issue. I didn't say it was an issue. I'm just pointing out that it's hypocritical to hammer Romney for being out of touch when Obama really isn't any different. I think 'out-of-touch' is the wrong adjective for Obama. 'Professorial' or 'Know-it-all' or 'Overachiever' is more fair. He's only 'out-of-touch' the way the star football player at your high school is 'out-of-touch' for being so damn good at football. Mitt Romney on the other hand, was born and raised practically on another planet. Romney is a silver spooner, Obama is the uber-charming popular-kid. It's like Richie Rich versus Ferris Bueller. Well it's certainly a good thing that we don't elect people like it's some kind of high school popularity contest. Oh, wait....
Sarah Palin was the absolute nadir. The cynicism that the GOP had to think that people would be so stupid to vote for McCain just because he had winking running mate with boobies was depressing.
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To be honest, the problem with our government in the US is the infastructure itself. Mitt Romney or Obama, makes no difference, put either one of them in there and for the next four years it would be the same thing with either one of them.
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On April 20 2012 05:04 liberal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 05:02 Ben... wrote:
Can a mod please take all of the user's "points" out of the OP and leave just leave the polls so it is more fair. The vast majority of the points he laid out are incredibly biased in favour of the Republican party, and paint an unfair picture of Obama compared to Romney (Particularly all the points about "mainstream media" being biased toward Obama when Romney has had just as much support from Fox News and the conservative radio pundits). Especially considering the OP has been temp-banned already for name-calling against people who have questioned things regarding the candidate he obviously is voting for. Sorry, that's usually not done. Biased or banned OP's are perfectly allowed. Take a look at this thread as an example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255487
I seem to recall the OP in that thread being more ridiculous in its original form.
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I think its funny that people from different countries just OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA. people depress me. politics depresses me. most of you people are fucking idiots that just repeat shit along what party you like or what saturday night live shows you.... think for yourselves people.
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Which guy seems less likely to let religious beliefs influence his political decisions? Seems like Obama.
Obama it is.
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On April 20 2012 04:21 Perscienter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 03:38 xDaunt wrote:On April 20 2012 03:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 20 2012 03:28 Silidons wrote:On April 20 2012 03:19 Zaqwert wrote:
I love the "Romney is out of touch" argument.
Yeah, because Obama, who is worth millions himself, is so much more in touch?
Almost every politician from both major parties have no interest in the common man, other than duping him into voting for him. mitt romney was born rich. obama was not. I know Obama wasn't directly born into riches, but iirc his grandparents were extremely wealthy and basically were the ones who supported him financially. I don't see how anyone can think of Obama as an average joe or someone who can even connect with average joes. His background and upbringing were nothing like those ordinary Americans. Hell, the guy has an ivy league education, went to law school, and was a professor -- all of which divorce individuals from the realities of ordinary people. http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/galleries/2009/04/29/is-obama-keeping-his-promises.htmlPromise broken: 5 In the works: 3 Promise Kept: 9 Compromise: 1 Looks like any other ordinary asshole out there. He just had a big, competent media staff. Yes, his cv is top-notch, like you would expect of successful persons in such positions. I still can't see any ground-breaking reforms. By the way, what is meant by this? Show nested quote +"Bringing a responsible end" to the war in Iraq and refocusing on the broader region. Does this equal keeping Iraq on the failed states index?
They are counting pulling out troops in Iraq within 6 months as a promise kept. That is straight bullshit so add another to the broken category.
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On April 20 2012 05:09 Defacer wrote:
Sarah Palin was the absolute nadir. The cynicism that the GOP had to think that people would be so stupid to vote for McCain just because he had winking running mate with boobies was depressing.
I know right and the cynicism the Left had to think people would vote for someone just because of the color of there skin was even more depressing.
OH WAIT.
On April 20 2012 05:12 Tachion wrote:
Which guy seems less likely to let religious beliefs influence his political decisions? Seems like Obama.
Obama it is.
So your saying a guy who is prolife because he is religious is better than the man who wants to ruin your country fiscially because is better you know because.
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On April 20 2012 04:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 04:35 Doublemint wrote:On April 20 2012 03:38 xDaunt wrote:On April 20 2012 03:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 20 2012 03:28 Silidons wrote:On April 20 2012 03:19 Zaqwert wrote:
I love the "Romney is out of touch" argument.
Yeah, because Obama, who is worth millions himself, is so much more in touch?
Almost every politician from both major parties have no interest in the common man, other than duping him into voting for him. mitt romney was born rich. obama was not. I know Obama wasn't directly born into riches, but iirc his grandparents were extremely wealthy and basically were the ones who supported him financially. I don't see how anyone can think of Obama as an average joe or someone who can even connect with average joes. His background and upbringing were nothing like those ordinary Americans. Hell, the guy has an ivy league education, went to law school, and was a professor -- all of which divorce individuals from the realities of ordinary people. Community organizer I think would be in the category "connecting with average people". I also looked it up not to be wrong, every single potus in the last 30 years was at least college educated, if not ivy league educated (just for the sake of argument - even before that people in the white house used to be smart... and graduating from college.) I don´t see how that is even an issue. I didn't say it was an issue. I'm just pointing out that it's hypocritical to hammer Romney for being out of touch when Obama really isn't any different.
In my opinion, a good way to judge how out of touch someone is, is to ask yourself if you'd like to hang out with that person? Who would you rather just hang out and watch TV with, Barack or Mitt?
I'd also love to see Mitt fill out a March Madness bracket...
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On April 20 2012 05:11 tome567 wrote:
I think its funny that people from different countries just OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA. people depress me. politics depresses me. most of you people are fucking idiots that just repeat shit along what party you like or what saturday night live shows you.... think for yourselves people.
...Seriously? The reason why "people from different countries just OBAMA" is the fact that Obama has put in tremendous effort into maintaining a positive soft-power US relationship to other countries in multilateral efforts, hence his popularity abroad. It's ironic that you criticize people for not thinking when you yourself are making innumerable assumptions about other people.
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Probably will vote for Obama. Not because I agree with his policies but because I would rather live in a socialist state than a fascist state.
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On April 20 2012 05:15 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 05:11 tome567 wrote:
I think its funny that people from different countries just OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA. people depress me. politics depresses me. most of you people are fucking idiots that just repeat shit along what party you like or what saturday night live shows you.... think for yourselves people. ...Seriously? The reason why "people from different countries just OBAMA" is the fact that Obama has put in tremendous effort into maintaining a positive soft-power US relationship to other countries in multilateral efforts, hence his popularity abroad. It's ironic that you criticize people for not thinking when you yourself are making innumerable assumptions about other people.
Which multilateral efforts that thing with Lybia or the fucking of Israel? OOO you must be talking about being flexible with Russia? No? How about alienating Canada you know one of the USA's biggest allies?
On April 20 2012 05:17 Swagasaurus wrote:
Probably will vote for Obama. Not because I agree with his policies but because I would rather live in a socialist state than a fascist state.
That doesn't even make sense when Romeny's religion is hardly even I minority of the Republican party how would his religious beliefs be forced on you if the majority of people didn't agree? And when has a Republican ever forced you to practice anything have you never heard of the Constitution you know the thing the Democrats don't believe in, must go around and constantly berate. This is a retarded thought process if it is truly the one you hold just stay home because you have no concept of real life.
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On April 20 2012 05:18 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 05:15 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On April 20 2012 05:11 tome567 wrote:
I think its funny that people from different countries just OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA. people depress me. politics depresses me. most of you people are fucking idiots that just repeat shit along what party you like or what saturday night live shows you.... think for yourselves people. ...Seriously? The reason why "people from different countries just OBAMA" is the fact that Obama has put in tremendous effort into maintaining a positive soft-power US relationship to other countries in multilateral efforts, hence his popularity abroad. It's ironic that you criticize people for not thinking when you yourself are making innumerable assumptions about other people. Which multilateral efforts that thing with Lybia or the fucking of Israel? OOO you must be talking about being flexible with Russia? No? How about alienating Canada you know one of the USA's biggest allies?
As a Canadian, I have to ask how he has alienated us because I definitely feel less alienated today than I did ago four years ago.
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