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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:44 PepperoniPiZZa wrote: Ron Paul is a batshit crazy creationist. Who in his right mind would want to be led by a man who's fucked up on such a trivial decision? Call me crazy but he didn't actually win the nomination. Not even close. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:44 PepperoniPiZZa wrote: Ron Paul is a batshit crazy creationist. Who in his right mind would want to be led by a man who's fucked up on such a trivial decision? And yet, he seemed much more rational than the other Republican candidates. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:40 Defacer wrote: I think we're both forgetting how much people hated the Republicans by the end of the Bush administration. He presided over the Katrina clusterfuck, the Mortgage Crisis and two disastrous, costly wars -- all failures that could be directly attributed to the policies of his administration. Obama was the right candidate and the right time. I certainly think Hilary would have won over McCain as well. That's the funny thing that people forget about 2008. Democrats had everything going for them that year, and Obama still only won by about 7% of the vote. This time around, Obama's going to have a much harder battle -- particularly in the swing states. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:51 xDaunt wrote: That's the funny thing that people forget about 2008. Democrats had everything going for them that year, and Obama still only won by about 7% of the vote. This time around, Obama's going to have a much harder battle -- particularly in the swing states. It's why I think the claim that the people voted for Obama because of 'affirmative action' or that he was Black is very debatable. You could easily argue that his race hurt hims as much as helps him, then and now. I do think that if McCain had waited, and was running against Obama THIS year with a solid VP, he could win. People forget that before 2008 ruined him, McCain had a great reputation as a admirable, charming, moderate Republican that could get bi-partisan work done. As far as democrats were concerned, he was 'the cool Republican' that wasn't a homophobic-hyper-religious nut. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:57 Defacer wrote: It's why I think the claim that the people voted for Obama because of 'affirmative action' or that he was Black is very debatable. You could easily argue that his race hurt him as much as helped him, then and now. I do think that if McCain had waited, and was running against Obama THIS year with a solid VP, he could win. People forget that before 2008 ruined him, McCain had a great reputation as a admirable, charming, moderate Republican that could get bi-partisan work done. As far as democrats were concerned, he was 'the cool Republican' that wasn't a homophobic-hyper-religious nut. But in typical republican manner, stuck him with batshit crazy homophobic, hyper religious nut job vice president to attract those types of voters in their party. | ||
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Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:41 Swagasaurus wrote: Authoritarianism is characterized by centralized power that is maintained by political repression and the exclusion of potential challengers. This is extremely similar to a fascist ideology but very much different from an actual socialist ideology. Socialism is about common ownership/public ownership and is really more of an economic organization than a social organization like authoritarianism/ fascism. I have a suspicion that your idea of socialism is probably skewed or just inaccurate. In lots of people mind socialism =USSR u_u | ||
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Diomedes7
67 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:44 PepperoniPiZZa wrote: Ron Paul is a batshit crazy creationist. Who in his right mind would want to be led by a man who's fucked up on such a trivial decision? I would. It doesn't matter if he believes in divine creation, the point is he wouldn't try to force people to believe what he does. That's his main running point end wars, getting out of debt and leaving people the hell alone. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:50 LoLAdriankat wrote: And yet, he seemed much more rational than the other Republican candidates. Most sensible people are much more rational than how other Republican candidates present themselves on TV. The main difference between Ron Paul and the other Republican candidates is that he does not present himself as an absolute lunatic every now and then to appeal to a specific voter group. For the most part he maintains his dignity and is collected and well-spoken, he knows what he is talking about which gives him enough of an aura of authority to actually be taken seriously by intelligent people (as it should) - especially when you put him next to a religious zealot or the Great Lunar Overlord. However, his ideas are probably more extreme and radical than those of most other candidates. In some ways, he's actually more scary than all of the other candidates put together. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:51 xDaunt wrote: That's the funny thing that people forget about 2008. Democrats had everything going for them that year, and Obama still only won by about 7% of the vote. This time around, Obama's going to have a much harder battle -- particularly in the swing states. ONLY 7% wth? That's huge! | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:51 xDaunt wrote: That's the funny thing that people forget about 2008. Democrats had everything going for them that year, and Obama still only won by about 7% of the vote. This time around, Obama's going to have a much harder battle -- particularly in the swing states. considering the politcal landscape in America over the last decade Obama's victory in 2008 was basically as big of a landslide as you could possibly get. 7% of the vote is massive. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:57 Defacer wrote: It's why I think the claim that the people voted for Obama because of 'affirmative action' or that he was Black is very debatable. You could easily argue that his race hurt hims as much as helps him, then and now. I do think that if McCain had waited, and was running against Obama THIS year with a solid VP, he could win. People forget that before 2008 ruined him, McCain had a great reputation as a admirable, charming, moderate Republican that could get bi-partisan work done. As far as democrats were concerned, he was 'the cool Republican' that wasn't a homophobic-hyper-religious nut. No, I don't think that McCain would win. McCain was actually ahead in the polls until he flubbed the economic crisis that hit in September in 2008. He didn't look like a leader and got hammered accordingly. | ||
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Roger88
United Kingdom15 Posts
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
"a turd sandwich or a giant douche." | ||
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Black and Proud
49 Posts
On April 20 2012 02:42 CajunMan wrote: HAHAHA oh man why is this not getting more love. | ||
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Diomedes7
67 Posts
It's skewed because many socialist states end up like that. Take Guyana where I'm from, for example, a former "Comrade Leader then later executive president" socialized nearly everything, bauxite, lumber, sugar, brewery, rice, glass, gold, utilities, telephone, housing, farming to name a few; which bankrupted the country, evaporated the middle class, and destroyed the quality of life. Their was unrest, naturally. In response he then, disarmed the people, established a police state, assassinated and intimidated political enemies, arrested my uncle for putting up a poster supporting the opposition, with his thugs raping and pillaging the whole way during power outages. All the while rigging elections and partying with fellow mass murderer Jim Jones. | ||
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Happylime
United States133 Posts
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On April 19 2012 17:50 MethodSC wrote: needs a 3rd option: Don't want to vote for either ^ This. I always vote for third party candidates. Would be interesting to see how many of us there are this time around. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Philosophically I'm still closer to Obama than to Romney, but I can't in good conscience vote the 'lesser of two evils' when even the lesser of two evils still set the precedent of trial-less assassinations of US citizens, and continues to make America into Israel's dog, draining our resources and the lives of our soldiers over something that doesn't concern us. Of course, Romney is just as bad or worse on most of those points, but again, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils when there's so much evil in both. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
The real problem with Romney is that he had to pivot so far hard right to get to the thing he clearly so desperately wants, will he ever come back to the center? Because the last 30 years of American political history is this. Republicans shift to the right, Democrats follow them, and what used to be a right wing position is now 'centrist'. So would Romney actually try to crawl back to the Obama center but with more tax cuts? Hard to say, he says lots of stupid stuff like "We will cut taxes for all but have the biggest military ever"...now is that just for the dumb hillbillies or does he believe it? And the other problem with Romney is that his economic advisers are the same economic advisers that were around Bush. Having Greg Mankiw there for another 4 years is pretty scary, since he hasnt seen a corrupt corporation or a tax cut he didnt like. And we've already seen what 8 years of Mankiw "economic policy" does to the economy. So really, in an ideal world Hillary would step in, get Obama off to his lecture circuit where his shit eating grins and meaningless platitudes belong and let the Clintons fix stuff. | ||
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since it is shown time and time again voters of Obama especially the first time around were extremely ignorant of his policies and his opponents. You know why he got 98% of the black vote it wasn't because he kisses dah babies.
